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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 26, 2016 22:24:30 GMT -5
It just looks kind of okay, honestly. The problem for me here is that the X-Men film universe feels so dated now. The original came out in 2000, when the idea of making a comic book superhero movie was primarily scoffed at. So, they dropped the costumes and went really grounded with it. Since that time, Marvel has time and again released films that embrace the comic books and adapted colorful costumes in ways that end up looking cool and not cheesy. DC just put a Batman on screen in a fabric Batsuit straight out of the comic pages. Yet here are the X-Men, still trying to fit the mold of the pre-superhero movie boom. It's holding the franchise back. Lol, that sounds almost word for word like the introduction to Moviebob's review of Days of Future Past, talking about how weird it is that this has had the same continuity for so long, considering how many products have had one reboot or another since (Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Hulk, etc), as opposed to the X-Men series "still peacocking around like it's the year 2000, that time-lost era when black rubber was still the last word in superhero fashion". The JLaw hate is really getting on my tits. They aren't even apt, as half the 'oh but it looks like Hunger Games' shit is just that, shit. Nothing in this trailer looks like Hunger Games beyond Jennifer Lawrence is in them. By that logic, the cage fighting scenes look like a particularly violent episode of Eastenders cos a guy from that is in them. It's pathetic, and what's worse is that the characterisation changes for Magneto, Xavier and Beast isn't drawing anywhere near the level of criticism. I'm not even close to be a SJW or whatever, but it's getting to the point where it really does seem like some nerds have it in for the hot girl, especially when most of the criticisms will be production/direction decisions and nothing to do with her. As someone who probably is pretty close to being "a SJW or whatever", to the point where my first takeaway from The Wolverine was how it played into just about every Orientalist trope, I feel like most of the criticism around JLaw is valid. One, when you have an ensemble cast like X-Men does, it never helps to center the whole damn movie around one person (probably why I prefer First Class to just about everything else FOX has put out). I wasn't fond of it with the original trilogy being "The Wolverine Show" and I'm not fond of it now being "The JLaw Show". The difference, and it's a big difference, is at least Jackman breathing some serious life into the Wolverine character makes up for FOX/Singer's insistence on lazily centering entire movies around him. Jennifer Lawrence just isn't nearly as compelling as Mystique, certainly not enough to be so central to the story. It just feels like they're blatantly putting name value over quality. And yes, I will agree that most of the criticism can and should be directed at FOX/Singer, but if I think someone isn't particularly good in a role, I feel like I reserve the right to say that, especially when they're taking center stage.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 26, 2016 22:47:22 GMT -5
I feel like most of the criticism around JLaw is valid. One, when you have an ensemble cast like X-Men does, it never helps to center the whole damn movie around one person (probably why I prefer First Class to just about everything else FOX has put out). I wasn't fond of it with the original trilogy being "The Wolverine Show" and I'm not fond of it now being "The JLaw Show". It's never actually been "The JLaw Show", though. While a lot of the advertising for DOFP featured her heavily (and rightly so, given how her name value had skyrocketed) the bulk of the movie follows Wolverine and Xavier, while Mystique is more of a MacGuffin who has about half their screen time.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 26, 2016 23:21:17 GMT -5
I feel like most of the criticism around JLaw is valid. One, when you have an ensemble cast like X-Men does, it never helps to center the whole damn movie around one person (probably why I prefer First Class to just about everything else FOX has put out). I wasn't fond of it with the original trilogy being "The Wolverine Show" and I'm not fond of it now being "The JLaw Show". It's never actually been "The JLaw Show", though. While a lot of the advertising for DOFP featured her heavily (and rightly so, given how her name value had skyrocketed) the bulk of the movie follows Wolverine and Xavier, while Mystique is more of a MacGuffin who has about half their screen time. I still think the movie is suffering from having an A-list actor as a supporting franchise character. Wolverine's excessive focus is at least excusable because he's legitimately the most popular X-Man. But Mystique? That's a character that needs to be very much part of the bigger picture and not the central focus. It's the reason I'm fearful of Channing Tatum playing Gambit, because I really don't want that character being the central focus of the X-Men series.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 26, 2016 23:29:01 GMT -5
It's never actually been "The JLaw Show", though. While a lot of the advertising for DOFP featured her heavily (and rightly so, given how her name value had skyrocketed) the bulk of the movie follows Wolverine and Xavier, while Mystique is more of a MacGuffin who has about half their screen time. I still think the movie is suffering from having an A-list actor as a supporting franchise character. Wolverine's excessive focus is at least excusable because he's legitimately the most popular X-Man. But Mystique? That's a character that needs to be very much part of the bigger picture and not the central focus. It's the reason I'm fearful of Channing Tatum playing Gambit, because I really don't want that character being the central focus of the X-Men series. That's definitely a drawback, no doubt, but also why I'm pretty confident that we haven't seen the last of JLaw in the X-Universe, regardless of what may happen to Mystique in Apocalypse. I think they'll at least try out a Mystique solo movie while Lawrence is still hot property and now that Jackman's salary isn't on the budget. Is Tatum still attached to the Gambit movie? He's been on again/off again with that project more times than a light switch.
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Post by Jam on Apr 27, 2016 2:19:26 GMT -5
The thing that has bugged me the most about this new Trilogy is Mystique and Xavier being childhood friends or whatever. That whole mess just has absolutely no connection with the comics AT ALL. I get that to make certain things work in a movie some details from the books have to be changed or completely discarded but the Xavier/Mystique thing is just completely wrong for both characters. I've read X-Men comics pretty much since I've been able to read and Mystique has always been a mutant terrorist, a villain, and when she is on a X-Team it's usually a Suicide Squad type deal like when she was a member of X-Factor in the 90s. These movies have just completely ditched everything that makes Mystique "Mystique". No Irene/Destiny, she's not Rogue or Nightcrawlers mother, no history with Sabertooth. The absolute worst though is in that trailer. Mystique without blue skin with blonde hair giving a pep talk to, of all f***ing people, Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Beast about what it means to be an X-Man. f***ing seriously? Those few seconds in the trailer just about killed all my enthusiasm for this new movie. It doesn't resemble the Mystique from the comics at all. I'm usually pretty forgiving of changes but damn, that's just too much. I hate it and now it's made me lose just about all intrest in this movie. I'll be waiting for the VOD release instead of hitting up a Midnight showing like I originally planned on doing. That really bums me out because X-Men has always been my shit.
Edit I just watched the trailer again and I remembered a few things in my orginal post differently. But my point still stands that Raven and Charles should not have a life long history together and the last person who should be rallying together the "Gold" team of X-Men is Mystique. Hell, if it were her actual character from the comics she would be a Horseman for Apocalypse, not f***ing Storm. Goddamn it. The more I'm seeing of this movie the more it's getting on my nerves and bumming me out. I never thought I'd ever see a real X-Men movie let alone one where Apocalypse is the main antagonist. I should be on cloud 9 because of this movie and I'm not and no sir, I don't like it. Rant over. Sorry. I take this shit too seriously sometimes.
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Post by Legion on Apr 27, 2016 2:50:47 GMT -5
You're absolutely right about the storyline aspect, but again, not JLaw's fault. Fox aren't going to let an Oscar winning huge actress like that sit doing nothing. She's A-List, they are going to milk that star power.
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Post by ICBM on Apr 27, 2016 11:05:32 GMT -5
You're absolutely right about the storyline aspect, but again, not JLaw's fault. Fox aren't going to let an Oscar winning huge actress like that sit doing nothing. She's A-List, they are going to milk that star power. ding ding ding! We have a winner
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Post by Jam on Apr 27, 2016 18:29:55 GMT -5
You're absolutely right about the storyline aspect, but again, not JLaw's fault. Fox aren't going to let an Oscar winning huge actress like that sit doing nothing. She's A-List, they are going to milk that star power. Oh yeah I totally get that. Lawrence is a great actress and she would actually be great as the real character of Mystique from the comics. If the X-Men screen writers actually wrote and portrayed her that way, I have no doubt that Jennifer Lawrence would absolutely kill it as Mystique. Shit, look at the Deadpool movie. The Colossus in that movie was ripped from the pages of an issue of Uncanny X-Men. If they were to write all the characters as well as him and Deadpool, the X-Men franchise could begin to rival the MCU in quality. I'm hopeful that the success of the Deadpool movie makes that a reality going forward after Apocalypse now that the studio knows it is possible to do that successfully.
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Post by andrew8798 on May 3, 2016 22:00:35 GMT -5
Reviews will out the following Monday.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on May 3, 2016 23:51:36 GMT -5
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Post by andrew8798 on May 9, 2016 16:14:48 GMT -5
Seems the reviews going to be a mixed bag for the movie
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Post by Legion on May 9, 2016 16:23:38 GMT -5
Yeah, mixed bag stuff on RT so far, 'Top Critics' seem to like it, while smaller sites dont seem to be for it.
Interesting, the negatives seem to be that it's too comic book'y - and that that hasnt translated well for some to screen.
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Post by andrew8798 on May 9, 2016 17:24:52 GMT -5
Didn't take long for the fanboys to say for Fox to give the rights back
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Post by Dukect on May 9, 2016 17:52:27 GMT -5
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on May 9, 2016 17:54:30 GMT -5
He always uses hyperbole when he thinks a movie is bad, he thought Age of Ultron was the worst Marvel movie in a series that includes Iron Man 2.
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Post by andrew8798 on May 9, 2016 17:56:31 GMT -5
TMNT2 could actually review better then X-men and BVS. Crazy
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Post by Dukect on May 9, 2016 17:56:33 GMT -5
He always uses hyperbole when he thinks a movie is bad, he thought Age of Ultron was the worst Marvel movie in a series that includes Iron Man 2. On the real I would gladly watch Iron Man 2 over Age of Fail
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Post by Legion on May 9, 2016 18:00:06 GMT -5
That was a mean review, and a bad review at that. He tells us it's bad, but he never really gives any reason beyond he is bored of the franchise and wants it rebooted. That's a fair enough opinion, but I dont think someone going in to the film with that opinion already is the best person to give a balanced review....
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on May 9, 2016 18:01:06 GMT -5
He always uses hyperbole when he thinks a movie is bad, he thought Age of Ultron was the worst Marvel movie in a series that includes Iron Man 2. On the real I would gladly watch Iron Man 2 over Age of Fail I quite enjoyed Age of Ultron, its main flaw was that it had to juggle so much set up for future movies whilst focusing on all the returning Avengers, giving Hawkeye backstory, an origin story for the Maximoff twins and making Ultron an entertaining villain. I'm not surprised Joss Whedon damn near ruined himself making the movie. Much preferred over Iron Man 2, where they tried to make it too much like the first Iron Man and ended up overdoing it. It also didn't help when Mickey Rourke is putting on an almost parody performance of a Russian villain from the 80s. Thank goodness for RDJ and Sam Rockwell for saving that movie and making it somewhat watchable.
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