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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 24, 2014 11:39:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 11:40:51 GMT -5
I haven't heard it, but I'm already kind of sick of hearing about it.
If they wanted a way to get their names back in rotation, then it worked.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 24, 2014 12:45:53 GMT -5
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Apr 24, 2014 14:01:19 GMT -5
I will agree with her that I don't think it's necessarily racist. It is however chock full of cultural appropriation (whether or not you think that's a bad thing is entirely up to you, it can be a case-by-case sort of thing). Also, in the context of her making it for her Japanese fans, I think it's pretty condescending.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 24, 2014 14:05:26 GMT -5
PROTIP: If several people are accusing you with racism, the best defense isn't to lead with "LOLOLOLOLOL."
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Post by Bravo Echo November on Apr 24, 2014 14:06:19 GMT -5
Well, if anything it gives me a good song for my kids to critically review in my journalism class.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 24, 2014 14:09:43 GMT -5
PROTIP: If several people are accusing you with racism, the best defense isn't to lead with "LOLOLOLOLOL." Though if her statement had been soley: "GTFO", I guess you'd have to give her credit for balls if nothing else.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 24, 2014 14:32:08 GMT -5
PROTIP: If several people are accusing you with racism, the best defense isn't to lead with "LOLOLOLOLOL." Though if her statement had been soley: "GTFO", I guess you'd have to give her credit for balls if nothing else. I wish her statement was solely BRB and then she just never followed up with it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 24, 2014 14:39:59 GMT -5
Though if her statement had been soley: "GTFO", I guess you'd have to give her credit for balls if nothing else. I wish her statement was solely BRB and then she just never followed up with it. Even better: "Racist? IKR?"
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 24, 2014 14:41:20 GMT -5
God, even her reaction to it is that of a f***ing teenager.
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Post by Raskovnik on Apr 24, 2014 15:14:54 GMT -5
PROTIP: If several people are accusing you with racism, the best defense isn't to lead with "LOLOLOLOLOL." Everything's racist these days. I have to give her credit for addressing that particular criticism with the amount of levity it deserves.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 24, 2014 16:01:59 GMT -5
PROTIP: If several people are accusing you with racism, the best defense isn't to lead with "LOLOLOLOLOL." Everything's racist these days. I have to give her credit for addressing that particular criticism with the amount of levity it deserves. Not everything's racist. Just racism. Racism's pretty racist.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 16:24:47 GMT -5
It's almost like the song and it's video was put out to achieve this level of criticism/focus, and planned as such to be that way. The song's garbage, the video's garbage, the shared hits & likes & watches said things have gained through people vehemently ranting about it is utter garbage. Seriously, support your local indie scenes instead and write about bands who are worthwhile instead (/pet peeve of those who work in dying venues).
Nothing more, nothing less, same rotation of the music wheel for mainstream culture with a set of artists past their sell by date. It'll happen again in 3 years for Avril & Chad, and it'll happen 20 times more in between then with different people. Each and every time it'll be considered the worst crime against music ever. The Crazy Frog Theory.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 24, 2014 16:32:25 GMT -5
I will agree with her that I don't think it's necessarily racist. It is however chock full of cultural appropriation (whether or not you think that's a bad thing is entirely up to you, it can be a case-by-case sort of thing). Also, in the context of her making it for her Japanese fans, I think it's pretty condescending. How is it any worse than babyface wrestlers wearing the sports jersey of the town they're in? She's just attempting a Mick Foley cheap pop. Has anyone asked any Japanese people what they think of this yet? Is the video to 'Hash Pipe' racist because it has sumo wrestlers in it?
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Post by Tiiulicious on Apr 24, 2014 16:39:54 GMT -5
Was it stupid and ridiculous? Yes, yes it was. Was it the worst song ever made? Nope, not even close. Also I fail to see what supposedly makes this racist.
Avril has a good voice, just too bad she sucks at picking songs for herself. She should get better handlers.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 24, 2014 16:57:46 GMT -5
Let's not undersell how bad it is though. It is for sure the worst song this year.
Quick, without looking, can you even hum the melody or remember much of the lyrics?
It's the rare case of a song that's outrageously awful when being played and then utterly forgettable except for the faint memory of just how awful it was. The fact that it's terrible is the best thing it has going for it.
It's not like an earworm that got played to death or was inescapable or even a Rebecca Black case where it's just stupidly catchy. It fails on every way a song can be measured.
I mean, I still think Jet's "Are You Gonna Be My Girl" is the single worst song ever written, but this Avril song is a true feat of awfulness.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 24, 2014 17:02:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that Avril probably does love Japan and that was not her intention, but it is cultural appropriation. One issue with critics like this is they jump in and call them racist willy nilly, instead of bringing up how the act maybe racist and cultural appropriation. I always like to go by the Penn Jilette logic when he hears people being called racist and calling people racist. It's hard to know what is in someone's heart when it comes to stuff like that, so claiming someone is racist is tough to do.
When people are called racist, they either get offended or they laugh at how absurd that claim is, when really, they're not racist, but their action is, even if it's unintentional. People though never really explain that to people, because it's better to feel morally superior then actually educate someone. I feel if someone rationally explained it to her, maybe she would understand, because I think most people would, but with stuff like twitter and tumblr, it's all YOU'RE A RACIST BITCH and then it's hard for her to look into it further.
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Post by King Ghidorah on Apr 24, 2014 17:10:37 GMT -5
I thought music was subjective
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 24, 2014 17:40:03 GMT -5
Everything's racist these days. I have to give her credit for addressing that particular criticism with the amount of levity it deserves. Not everything's racist. Just racism. Racism's pretty racist. Lego Movie's original them of EVERYTHING IS RACIST, EVERYTHING IS COOL WHEN YOU EXCLUDE FROM YOUR TEAM.. didn't do as well in test markets.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 17:42:21 GMT -5
I thought music was subjective Only sometimes. The internet told me this is not one of those times.
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