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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 24, 2014 17:55:47 GMT -5
Eh, it's still subjective, that's totally true. Hell this may catch on.
Mind ya, I hate it, but as I said, I listen to mostly NPR and ESPN radio, so the likelihood it hits my ears anyway is pretty minimal.
Now if Avril invades Science Friday with Ira Flatow, THEN I'll be pissed.
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Post by slappy on Apr 24, 2014 18:12:07 GMT -5
The first time I listened to it, I was appalled by how bad it was.
The second time I listened to it, I wasn't as appalled.
The third time I listened to it, I started remembering some of the lyrics.
The fourth time I listened to it, it began to get stuck in my head.
The fifth time I listened to it, it was definitely stuck in my head.
The sixth time I listened to it, I enjoyed it.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 24, 2014 20:28:59 GMT -5
I still can't stop laughing about Kroeger being called a "ridiculous shit-head".
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Post by Glitch on Apr 24, 2014 21:16:35 GMT -5
The racism accusations are definitely gonna be really focused on by Avril and co,in order to draw attention away from the fact that this sucks a big one.
Reporter:"your video sucks!"
Avril:"because you think it's racist? It's totally not racist, dude."
Reporter:"no. Because it's a badly made video and song."
Avril:"It was made to honor the Japanese. So it's not racist."
Reporter:"It doesn't need to be racist in order to suck."
Avril:"It's absolutely not racist."
Reporter:"How do you live with yourself?"
Avril:"It's not easy."
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Apr 24, 2014 21:38:04 GMT -5
Let's not undersel I mean, I still think Jet's "Are You Gonna Be My Girl" is the single worst song ever written, but this Avril song is a true feat of awfulness. Hey, I have issues with that song, but only because it completely rips off Iggy Pop's "Lust for Life", but I still like the song well enough. Copy a good song and you should still have a good song.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 24, 2014 22:46:00 GMT -5
I thought music was subjective 'Subjective' is a term people with terrible taste created to justify said shitty taste. I kid.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 24, 2014 22:49:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that Avril probably does love Japan and that was not her intention, but it is cultural appropriation. One issue with critics like this is they jump in and call them racist willy nilly, instead of bringing up how the act maybe racist and cultural appropriation. I always like to go by the Penn Jilette logic when he hears people being called racist and calling people racist. It's hard to know what is in someone's heart when it comes to stuff like that, so claiming someone is racist is tough to do. When people are called racist, they either get offended or they laugh at how absurd that claim is, when really, they're not racist, but their action is, even if it's unintentional. People though never really explain that to people, because it's better to feel morally superior then actually educate someone. I feel if someone rationally explained it to her, maybe she would understand, because I think most people would, but with stuff like twitter and tumblr, it's all YOU'RE A RACIST BITCH and then it's hard for her to look into it further. The problem is, explaining cultural appropriation is tricky. I mean, I wouldn't call it racist in and of itself (there's usually no malice involved). That said, the problem with cultural appropriation comes with taking something one group of people have been doing for decades and saying "look at how weird and foreign and exotic this is", only for it to be picked up by another group of people (generally the mainstream of America) for them to say "look at how cool and revolutionary this is". Cultural appropriation is, for lack of a better definition, wearing someone else's culture as window dressing to make yourself look interesting, usually with no consideration of the history behind that culture. I wouldn't dare call Avril Lavigne racist (as you said, quoting Penn, I can't speak to what's in her heart), but I can see the issue with "Hello Kitty" basically using Japanese culture (and those poor, poor backup dancers) as a glorified prop in a rather self-serving way.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 25, 2014 2:24:00 GMT -5
Let's not undersel I mean, I still think Jet's "Are You Gonna Be My Girl" is the single worst song ever written, but this Avril song is a true feat of awfulness. Hey, I have issues with that song, but only because it completely rips off Iggy Pop's "Lust for Life", but I still like the song well enough. Copy a good song and you should still have a good song. I just checked, and it sucks. It's "Lust For Life" without absolutely anything that makes "Lust For Life" remotely interesting or compelling.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Apr 25, 2014 3:31:03 GMT -5
The cultural appropriation is bad enough, but the "tee hee I'm a sexy 12 year old" lyrics are pretty horrible too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 4:12:08 GMT -5
The cultural appropriation is bad enough, but the "tee hee I'm a sexy 12 year old" lyrics are pretty horrible too. Yeah, wonder if there's a term for that ugly phenomenon. "Lolita Syndrome", perhaps? To those bleating about its inevitable popularity: Yes, it will rack up millions of views, and yes, it might make millions of dollars; but this sort of thing does also tarnish one's reputation, often irreparably. Just look at Psy or Rebecca Black. A quick shoot up, and a slow, deep plunge afterwards.
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Post by xCompackx on Apr 25, 2014 9:27:52 GMT -5
The cultural appropriation is bad enough, but the "tee hee I'm a sexy 12 year old" lyrics are pretty horrible too. Yeah, wonder if there's a term for that ugly phenomenon. "Lolita Syndrome", perhaps? To those bleating about its inevitable popularity: Yes, it will rack up millions of views, and yes, it might make millions of dollars; but this sort of thing does also tarnish one's reputation, often irreparably. Just look at Psy or Rebecca Black. A quick shoot up, and a slow, deep plunge afterwards. I dunno, for a guy who probably didn't even expect to get as popular as he did, Psy seems to be doing pretty well for himself. He probably made millions on Gangnam Style and the endorsement deals alone. Same with Ylvis for The Fox.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 9:49:29 GMT -5
Yeah, wonder if there's a term for that ugly phenomenon. "Lolita Syndrome", perhaps? To those bleating about its inevitable popularity: Yes, it will rack up millions of views, and yes, it might make millions of dollars; but this sort of thing does also tarnish one's reputation, often irreparably. Just look at Psy or Rebecca Black. A quick shoot up, and a slow, deep plunge afterwards. I dunno, for a guy who probably didn't even expect to get as popular as he did, Psy seems to be doing pretty well for himself. He probably made millions on Gangnam Style and the endorsement deals alone. Same with Ylvis for The Fox. Presumably, but he'll always be tied down to it. It's like that Simpsons episode where Bart becomes the 'I-Didn't-Do-It Boy', nothing more than a walking catchphrase. He could grow to hate it in later life and, depending on how extravagant his lifestyle is, the money may not stick around forever.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 25, 2014 10:07:46 GMT -5
The cultural appropriation is bad enough, but the "tee hee I'm a sexy 12 year old" lyrics are pretty horrible too. Yeah, wonder if there's a term for that ugly phenomenon. "Lolita Syndrome", perhaps? To those bleating about its inevitable popularity: Yes, it will rack up millions of views, and yes, it might make millions of dollars; but this sort of thing does also tarnish one's reputation, often irreparably. Just look at Psy or Rebecca Black. A quick shoot up, and a slow, deep plunge afterwards. While that seems true why would Avril need to go that direction? She has had multiple hit songs that made her those millions and for that she already well established. It's like she did it because her cash flow was running dry and needed a quick attention getter. When I honestly didn't think she had too. She could easily wrote a song much like what she done before and made a hit song. She talented enough and established enough to do that. The music style of this song isn't even the same of her other work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 10:36:09 GMT -5
Know what really sucks? This song, along with many others on the album it's on, was co-written with David Hodges, who is normally a great songwriter.
Why did you attach yourself to this junk, David? Why?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 10:39:17 GMT -5
Yeah, wonder if there's a term for that ugly phenomenon. "Lolita Syndrome", perhaps? To those bleating about its inevitable popularity: Yes, it will rack up millions of views, and yes, it might make millions of dollars; but this sort of thing does also tarnish one's reputation, often irreparably. Just look at Psy or Rebecca Black. A quick shoot up, and a slow, deep plunge afterwards. While that seems true why would Avril need to go that direction? She has had multiple hit songs that made her those millions and for that she already well established. It's like she did it because her cash flow was running dry and needed a quick attention getter. When I honestly didn't think she had too. She could easily wrote a song much like what she done before and made a hit song. She talented enough and established enough to do that. The music style of this song isn't even the same of her other work. I dunno, she's not considered much of an 'in-thing', really. The pop market is already pretty full with the likes of Miley Cyrus, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Beyonce, Demi Lovato, Taylor Swift, Shakira, Ellie Goulding etc etc etc. Avril Lavigne's older work is definitely showing its age, so she can hardly retreat to that. So yes, a quick cash-and-grab exercise to steal the headlines for a bit, but nothing that will sell tickets for a world tour or anything. Aside from this, she's been typically childish about the reaction. "I can't be a racist, I have JAPANESE FRIENDS!!!!1!"
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 25, 2014 11:03:53 GMT -5
While that seems true why would Avril need to go that direction? She has had multiple hit songs that made her those millions and for that she already well established. It's like she did it because her cash flow was running dry and needed a quick attention getter. When I honestly didn't think she had too. She could easily wrote a song much like what she done before and made a hit song. She talented enough and established enough to do that. The music style of this song isn't even the same of her other work. I dunno, she's not considered much of an 'in-thing', really. The pop market is already pretty full with the likes of Miley Cyrus, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Beyonce, Demi Lovato, Taylor Swift, Shakira, Ellie Goulding etc etc etc. Avril Lavigne's older work is definitely showing its age, so she can hardly retreat to that. So yes, a quick cash-and-grab exercise to steal the headlines for a bit, but nothing that will sell tickets for a world tour or anything. Aside from this, she's been typically childish about the reaction. "I can't be a racist, I have JAPANESE FRIENDS!!!!1!" That I won't go into because I never saw it as Racist but I can see how some could but I see it as just incredibly bad. I'm not saying writing full fledge what she did in the early 00s but what I am saying she is talented enough to write and preform a song better then this. Everyone you listed isn't the same group as Avril music style was to being with. What Avril was and what Miley is isn't even close to the something. Those names listen are more compared too Britney and Christina when they came in. When Avril came big around the same time they did. She was different to them. She wasn't in skimpy attires and had the punk rock style in her music and attire. Avril was a lot closer too Alternative Rock then Pop music in her prime days.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 11:50:39 GMT -5
Her music video now sits at just under half a million views within three days of it being up. If the whole takedown/removal thing is anything to go by this isn't the even the first video. The VEVO version has 2 million views. Hell even a lyrics only video has 1 million.
There are now make-up tutorials, parodies (gotta jump on it while it's hot!), remixes and commentaries. She got that mass exposure. Her name is back in the limelight and people are talking about her again.
But(and correct me if I'm wrong) this video is supposed to be a PILE OF SHIT.
Everybody did exactly what the label wanted them to do. Anything that is terrible will do gangbusters on the internet and so they played up to that. It's not the first time they used something to her advantage. As someone mentioned earlier when she was first around and promoted as the "anti-Britney" her image was presented as punk. She tried denying it later but in early interviews she claimed that she was. Sure she might consider her self that but it ultimately was used by media to associate her music with that genre to push the "anti-ness".
Later on when Lacuna Coil was making a larger name for themselves and Evanescence blew up into the mainstream they decided to re-work Avril to appeal to that crowd for a short while. She produced a new music video in which she wore a "goth-like" dress with "dark" make-up complete with muted visual colors to try and steal some of that thunder.
This was another attempt at attention. The song is terrible intentionally and the response was exactly what they were hoping for.
As for people complaining about her acting younger I urge you to re-think that. Think about that the next time you are contemplating what comic book character you are going to dress up as for your local con while you look up wrestling results and complain about what part of your childhood Michael Bay is going to ruin next.
This forum of ALL places should not be getting on her for that. Look at everything we enjoy here. NOTHING is wrong with that. Before anyone says that it's her attitude they are pointing out I have also seen the contents of her video being labeled as such as well.
Come on folks, don't fall for this.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Apr 25, 2014 12:03:55 GMT -5
Her closing credits song was the perfect bread for the shit sandwich that was 'Eragon'.
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Post by Danimal on Apr 26, 2014 10:46:22 GMT -5
Let's not undersel I mean, I still think Jet's "Are You Gonna Be My Girl" is the single worst song ever written, but this Avril song is a true feat of awfulness. Hey, I have issues with that song, but only because it completely rips off Iggy Pop's "Lust for Life", but I still like the song well enough. Copy a good song and you should still have a good song. Ya I didn't dislike the song and can even give the benefit of the doubt that Jet didn't realize what they were doing when they first wrote it. But I have a hard time believing that nobody throughout the process said "hey, that's Lust for Life". I hope at least when the riff is used in an ad it's Pop getting a check and not Jet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 12:56:33 GMT -5
The cultural appropriation is bad enough, but the "tee hee I'm a sexy 12 year old" lyrics are pretty horrible too. Yeah, wonder if there's a term for that ugly phenomenon. "Lolita Syndrome", perhaps? To those bleating about its inevitable popularity: Yes, it will rack up millions of views, and yes, it might make millions of dollars; but this sort of thing does also tarnish one's reputation, often irreparably. Just look at Psy or Rebecca Black. A quick shoot up, and a slow, deep plunge afterwards.
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