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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on May 1, 2014 10:28:44 GMT -5
You mean the guy with the pilot's license that got thrown off a plane because he saw the aelerons get tested and flipped out, thinking that the wing was falling apart? That Tyler Reks?
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on May 1, 2014 10:35:52 GMT -5
Cena's true Bret analogy is that he is a babyface to the marks/casuals and a heel to the smarks/IWC, just as Bret was a heel in the U.S. and a face outside the U.S. So he is a "shades of gray" tweener character. So Raw is gonna take place in the WWE merch aisle at K-Mart one week, and then Dave Meltzer's backyard the next? Cena fails to relax that time's past his Barney the Dinosaur ass by, that's there's no true good guys & bad guys in the world, just shades of grey Indeed the superhero who taught you to rise above hate and eat your Fruity Pebbles is definately passe.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on May 1, 2014 10:36:50 GMT -5
Cena's true Bret analogy is that he is a babyface to the marks/casuals and a heel to the smarks/IWC, just as Bret was a heel in the U.S. and a face outside the U.S. So he is a "shades of gray" tweener character. So one week Raw is gonna take place in the WWE merch aisle at K-Mart one week, and then Dave Meltzer's backyard the next? Cena fails to relax that time's past his Barney the Dinosaur ass by, that's there's no true good guys & bad guys in the world, just shades of grey Indeed the superhero who taught you to rise above hate and eat your Fruity Pebbles is definately passe. How can it be passé given how successful it's been for WWE?
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on May 1, 2014 10:40:12 GMT -5
I was definitely getting Bret '97 vibes from Cena's "why did you all do that to me?" promo on Raw. All that was missing was Cena saying oh much better Canada is than America.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on May 1, 2014 10:41:18 GMT -5
So whos going to screw him over at Survivor Series then? HBK was the anti-Bret. Hadn't we come to the decision that Punk is the anti-Cena? Punk, like Shawn, also lost his smile.
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Post by kinginthenorth on May 1, 2014 10:46:01 GMT -5
So whos going to screw him over at Survivor Series then? Stephanie. Then he'll write NJPW in the air. Totally unrelated, but I would LOVE to see Cena in New Japan.
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Post by The Tim Duncan Experience on May 1, 2014 11:07:52 GMT -5
Well you can take that straight to the bank. To the blood bank?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 11:18:01 GMT -5
Well when Bret Hart turned they basically did something new and made him a heel in America and a Babyface everywhere else.
I wonder if they could do a deal where Cena is a Babyface to the children but a heel to everyone else. All he'd need to do is play up every single part of his character that the Adult fanbase doesn't like and turn it up to 11. They've got the audience reaction for it already, and I do feel like they've been subtly moving towards it for ages but haven't gone all out
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on May 1, 2014 11:29:59 GMT -5
Except with a much smaller ego. Eh, I wouldn't say that. In 96-97 it was pretty hard to the average fan to accuse Bret Hart of having a pretty big ego. He was a hard-working company guy who always did the right thing, vocal about getting the next generation ready, had great matches, had good days and bad days on the mic, and was well-respected by his peers. He was also having trouble finding his feet in a new era where some characters were beginning to approach/exceed him in popularity. Sound familiar? Bret having a "big ego" wasn't a position that people really had until after he retired. The same may happen to Cena. It may not.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 1, 2014 11:35:32 GMT -5
Except with a much smaller ego. Eh, I wouldn't say that. In 96-97 it was pretty hard to the average fan to accuse Bret Hart of having a pretty big ego. He was a hard-working company guy who always did the right thing, vocal about getting the next generation ready, had great matches, had good days and bad days on the mic, and was well-respected by his peers. He was also having trouble finding his feet in a new era where some characters were beginning to approach/exceed him in popularity. Sound familiar? Bret having a "big ego" wasn't a position that people really had until after he retired. The same may happen to Cena. It may not. The big ego thing came out during the fallout of the Montreal Screwjob, but really took off around his autobiography. To be fair, while he did come off as supremely egocentric, I've yet to read a single autobiography where someone hasn't come off at least a little egocentric. You mind of have to be to be writing an autobiography in the first place.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on May 1, 2014 11:38:31 GMT -5
He could become like Bret in 1997, but so far Cena hasn't really snapped, starting complaining, and gotten bitter.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on May 1, 2014 11:43:27 GMT -5
Eh, I wouldn't say that. In 96-97 it was pretty hard to the average fan to accuse Bret Hart of having a pretty big ego. He was a hard-working company guy who always did the right thing, vocal about getting the next generation ready, had great matches, had good days and bad days on the mic, and was well-respected by his peers. He was also having trouble finding his feet in a new era where some characters were beginning to approach/exceed him in popularity. Sound familiar? Bret having a "big ego" wasn't a position that people really had until after he retired. The same may happen to Cena. It may not. The big ego thing came out during the fallout of the Montreal Screwjob, but really took off around his autobiography. To be fair, while he did come off as supremely egocentric, I've yet to read a single autobiography where someone hasn't come off at least a little egocentric. You mind of have to be to be writing an autobiography in the first place. Yeah, Chris Jericho suffers from this pretty badly from time to time in his books as well. What annoyed me in his second book that probably didn't bother a lot of people as he thought that the antics of "Drunkicho" were hilarious when they just made him sound like a total jerk. I'd love for Bret to write a second book, but his first book was so thorough that it's hard to give a reason as to why he should write one. He did suffer from a fair bit of egotism in his autobiography, but I think he was also pretty critical of himself on a few occasions and was willing to show himself in a pretty bad light. He also made it clear several times that he did not think he was the greatest all around wrestler of all time--he just feels very, very strongly about the quality of his in-ring work. He will not brag about the quality of his promos, though, because he concedes that they were not his strong point. Also, he banged a lot of chicks. A whole lot of chicks. Sometimes two at the same time.
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Post by Macho Pichu on May 1, 2014 11:52:42 GMT -5
So he's going to sign a TNA contract as active WWE champion and have to get screwed out of the title because he refused to lose in Massachusetts?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 1, 2014 12:09:05 GMT -5
The big ego thing came out during the fallout of the Montreal Screwjob, but really took off around his autobiography. To be fair, while he did come off as supremely egocentric, I've yet to read a single autobiography where someone hasn't come off at least a little egocentric. You mind of have to be to be writing an autobiography in the first place. Yeah, Chris Jericho suffers from this pretty badly from time to time in his books as well. What annoyed me in his second book that probably didn't bother a lot of people as he thought that the antics of "Drunkicho" were hilarious when they just made him sound like a total jerk. I'd love for Bret to write a second book, but his first books was so thorough that it's hard to give a reason as to why he should write one. He did suffer from a fair bit of egotism in his autobiography, but I think he was also pretty critical of himself on a few occasions and was willing to show himself in a pretty bad light. He also made it clear several times that he did not think he was the greatest all around wrestler of all time--he just feels very, very strongly about the quality of his in-ring work. He will not brag about the quality of his promos, though, because he concedes that they were not his strong point. Exactly. Bret has always been a "this is who I am, make your own judgements" kind of guy. He was very warts-and-all about his career, which isn't something you often get, and his only real "crime" that he gets called on was that he prided himself on his in-ring skills and believed more could have been done to take advantage of that fact. There's a world of difference between believing you were one of the best and saying so, and someone like Hogan, who feels the need to constantly overstate his already stellar achievements, or Vince, who rewrites history to suit the image he's trying to present of himself and his company. And if I had done that, I'd be writing about it in a book too!
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 1, 2014 12:33:45 GMT -5
The only prominent anti heroes on the roster now are Cesaro and BNB, and they're in the process of turning face. What about The Shield, who are still using their heelish ambush tactics and number advantage, but just on heels now because they're feuding with heels? I'd say they're pretty prominent, being one of the two main storylines going into Extreme Rules.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on May 1, 2014 12:35:03 GMT -5
HBK was the anti-Bret. Hadn't we come to the decision that Punk is the anti-Cena? Punk, like Shawn, also lost his smile. Much in the way The Undertaker stooged off HBK not having any tell tale signs of recently having major knee surgery to Bret, I want The Undertaker to stooge off CM Punk with incriminating photos. "Look John, he's not burnt out on the business, see? Punk and his buddies are eating pizza and marathoning WCW Spring Stampede on the WWE Network!"
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Post by Hit Girl on May 1, 2014 12:37:28 GMT -5
Bret was willing to make the changes in character, and IMO did the best work of his career as arguably a justifiably embittered villain to America/hero to the rest of the world.
Cena won't.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on May 1, 2014 12:57:09 GMT -5
The only prominent anti heroes on the roster now are Cesaro and BNB, and they're in the process of turning face. What about The Shield, who are still using their heelish ambush tactics and number advantage, but just on heels now because they're feuding with heels? I'd say they're pretty prominent, being one of the two main storylines going into Extreme Rules. Yeah, they probably count too. Unfortunately, that means we've got big problems.
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Post by Bo Rida on May 1, 2014 12:57:51 GMT -5
Time is a flat squared-circle.
So who gets to be in The Patriot role this time around and what form will he take? A guy that seems out of place, a throwback in an era of change, an inspiring all-American hero.
Oh...it's Bo Dallas isn't it?
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on May 1, 2014 13:18:43 GMT -5
Seriously, how does making WWE full of shades of grey and anti heroes and whatnot instantly translate into a compelling product? It's not even a Cena thing, Bryan's a huge white meat babyface and is massively over, so it can still work. The only reason it doesn't work with Cena is because he's been on top for a decade and fans have seen him in that position and doing that act for too long. Remember how ten years ago his toilet humor wasn't much of an issue?
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