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Post by bluemeii on May 9, 2014 15:35:04 GMT -5
I'm sure he's got people in his backyard when he takes his garbage out every day. He also must get candy crammed up the mail slot every day too.
These are extreme examples of fandom people. I'm fairly certain this isn't an every day occurrence.
He said it himself when he was wrestling. He was out to be the best. The face of the company, on the ice cream bars in movies all that shit.
Well guess what comes with all that good stuff. The inability to sit at dinner out and be left alone in peace. Going to the grocery store without having to pose for pictures. Hell going to a hockey game and watching your favorite team and not getting 50-100 camera phones pointed at you with twitters and instagrams lighting up going "OMG I JUST SAW CM PUNK !!!!!!1!!!!!.
He got into this whole thing knowing damn well what would happen if/when he made it big. He's out resting and recouping cause of injuries/burnout. Hey that's great hope he's in a better place. People are saying he asked for this when he became famous. Well...by proxy he did. He makes an outstanding living I'm sure. Not A list movie star/music money but really good money. The job requires you to be on the road and visible 300 days a year. He can't be like those movie stars who script their appearances in public and otherwise live in a damn fortress of solitude otherwise. He's out there...he's open...he has to be it's part of the job.
Sucks but unfortunately the way famous people are viewed not just here but abroad...it's the way it is.
ADAPT OR PERISH.....j/k
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Post by machomuta on May 9, 2014 15:45:11 GMT -5
I love when famous people bitch about being famous.
He choose the fame and money himself.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 15:52:30 GMT -5
Its just really sad that people cannot differentiate between respecting a person's skill/ability and respecting them as a person.
On the flip though, CM Punk would complain no matter what. That seems to be his MO. He's basically made a career on it.
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Post by salsashark on May 9, 2014 16:15:13 GMT -5
The whole idea of being famous is crazy. I can't imagine being that wow'd by someone just because they're on TV or an athelte to the point you'd hassle them while they're trying to eat a meal or staking out their place just to get a glimpse of them. Its pretty pathetic, if you ask me. I've stumbled across celebrities a time or two and while I did a double take just to make sure they were who I thougth they were, other than that I just left them alone. Most fans chasing celebrities are like a dog chasing a car. Being famous doesn't mean you've given up your privacy or your right to being a normal citizen, it just means a high volume of people appeciate your skills as an athlete/actor/etc (the exception being people who are just famous for being famous). That's it. Its easy to go, "Oh you're famous, deal with it!" but that's very "victim-blamey" to me. Its on humans to act like human beings, not to suffer the inhumanity of others. The term "victim-blaming"/"victim-blamey" is on the cusp of jumping the shark when you apply it to a situation like this. I understand that there's a fine line between these things, but can't there ever be a situation where someone inflicted/brought upon something upon themselves instead of being a victim? Are we just to absolve people of responsibility? CM Punk has benefited immensely from his time in WWE, and asked for the celebrity and fame and all that comes with it. Remember in his Pipebomb promo when he discussed the collector cups that his face is never on? Well, guess what, when your face is on one of those (or any piece of WWE merchandise promoted as such) you are considered a star and being a WWE star has pitfalls that come with them. Do you feel sorry for when mega-rich people say they have to pay higher taxes, too, and for extremely beautiful people who say it's so hard being so attractive? This is insane to me. Also, in response to the idea that being famous doesn't mean you have given up your rights to be a normal citizen, isn't he aware of what it entails? I thought he was a smart guy. This isn't anywhere like being born black or a woman or whatever and enduring harassment, this is choosing your career--one that has FAR more benefits than downsides, if you ask me--and then complaining that you got up to where you want. Again, guarantee 100 percent he would be unhappier if WWE had never pushed him as a top guy/main eventer and no one gave him a shit about him aside from a small, small portion of the WWE/wrestling audience. Being the top guy/main eventer means dealing with the public all the time because of your celebrity. I use the term "victim blaming" sometimes myself to apply to some situations, but using it like this takes it down the path of using the phrase "trigger warning" to be almost comically gentle and overly sensitive when it's unnecessary. People need to take responsibility for things, especially when they benefit dramatically like Punk has from his wrestling fame. Those benefits -- fame, tons of money, the adoration and respect of tons of people, always having his fame to fall back on if he needs to make more money, being at the top of his field >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some people stalking him. He would have probably never gotten to drop the Blackhawks puck, for one, if his WWE career hadn't been there to make him world-known.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 9, 2014 16:22:45 GMT -5
I love when famous people bitch about being famous. He choose the fame and money himself. Yes and no. However, fame often causes certain celebrities to become a recluse to a degree. Michael Jackson often said he appreciated the praise, the fame, and enjoyed performing and making music. But at the same time he wanted to be able to do simple things like shopping, walk on the beach, or just go to a park without being mobbed. So I can understand why certain celebrities feel the way they do. Hunter, in his prime, even said he hated being bothered by fans in airports or when he was trying to eat dinner.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 16:28:38 GMT -5
The whole idea of being famous is crazy. I can't imagine being that wow'd by someone just because they're on TV or an athelte to the point you'd hassle them while they're trying to eat a meal or staking out their place just to get a glimpse of them. Its pretty pathetic, if you ask me. I've stumbled across celebrities a time or two and while I did a double take just to make sure they were who I thougth they were, other than that I just left them alone. Most fans chasing celebrities are like a dog chasing a car. Being famous doesn't mean you've given up your privacy or your right to being a normal citizen, it just means a high volume of people appeciate your skills as an athlete/actor/etc (the exception being people who are just famous for being famous). That's it. Its easy to go, "Oh you're famous, deal with it!" but that's very "victim-blamey" to me. Its on humans to act like human beings, not to suffer the inhumanity of others. The term "victim-blaming"/"victim-blamey" is on the cusp of jumping the shark when you apply it to a situation like this. I understand that there's a fine line between these things, but can't there ever be a situation where someone inflicted/brought upon something upon themselves instead of being a victim? Are we just to absolve people of responsibility? CM Punk has benefited immensely from his time in WWE, and asked for the celebrity and fame and all that comes with it. Remember in his Pipebomb promo when he discussed the collector cups that his face is never on? Well, guess what, when your face is on one of those (or any piece of WWE merchandise promoted as such) you are considered a star and being a WWE star has pitfalls that come with them. Do you feel sorry for when mega-rich people say they have to pay higher taxes, too, and for extremely beautiful people who say it's so hard being so attractive? This is insane to me. Also, in response to the idea that being famous doesn't mean you have given up your rights to be a normal citizen, isn't he aware of what it entails? I thought he was a smart guy. This isn't anywhere like being born black or a woman or whatever and enduring harassment, this is choosing your career--one that has FAR more benefits than downsides, if you ask me--and then complaining that you got up to where you want. Again, guarantee 100 percent he would be unhappier if WWE had never pushed him as a top guy/main eventer and no one gave him a shit about him aside from a small, small portion of the WWE/wrestling audience. Being the top guy/main eventer means dealing with the public all the time because of your celebrity. I use the term "victim blaming" sometimes myself to apply to some situations, but using it like this takes it down the path of using the phrase "trigger warning" to be almost comically gentle and overly sensitive when it's unnecessary. People need to take responsibility for things, especially when they benefit dramatically like Punk has from his wrestling fame. Those benefits -- fame, tons of money, the adoration and respect of tons of people, always having his fame to fall back on if he needs to make more money, being at the top of his field >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some people stalking him. He would have probably never gotten to drop the Blackhawks puck, for one, if his WWE career hadn't been there to make him world-known. Did CM Punk benefit from being famous? Of cousre. But, because people don't know how to behave like civil, respectful people when they see him doesn't mean he forfeits the right to leading a normal life. "being famous" isn't a reason to treat someone differently than you'd treat anyone else. That's why I say it is the burden of human beings to act humanely towards one another. The burden shouldn't be on people to suffer others' inhumane treatment of one another. Do I feel bad that rich people pay more taxes? Of course not. A) Because they don't. Not really when you look at the loopholes built into the tax system. and B) Paying taxes is something you do that benefits the country/county as a whole and doesn't require your quality of life to be diminished. Do I feel bad for people who say being too attractive is difficult? OF COURSE. It would suck to be so attractive that people only think about you as "an attractive person" or by your looks alone. Sure there are benefits, but just because people aren't civil enough to treat someone like a fully realized, 3 dimensional human being doesn't mean "being pretty" balances that all out. Now, personal responsibility. That I'll agree with, because as people we all have the personal responsiblity to treat each other respectfully. As far as I can tell CM Punk holds up his end of the bargain. He's not chasing celebs out of restaurants and stalking them in their homes.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 9, 2014 16:31:45 GMT -5
The whole idea of being famous is crazy. I can't imagine being that wow'd by someone just because they're on TV or an athelte to the point you'd hassle them while they're trying to eat a meal or staking out their place just to get a glimpse of them. Its pretty pathetic, if you ask me. I've stumbled across celebrities a time or two and while I did a double take just to make sure they were who I thougth they were, other than that I just left them alone. Most fans chasing celebrities are like a dog chasing a car. Being famous doesn't mean you've given up your privacy or your right to being a normal citizen, it just means a high volume of people appeciate your skills as an athlete/actor/etc (the exception being people who are just famous for being famous). That's it. Its easy to go, "Oh you're famous, deal with it!" but that's very "victim-blamey" to me. Its on humans to act like human beings, not to suffer the inhumanity of others. Exactly. Living in South Carolina we don't have many celebrity visits. The one celebrity that I remember meeting was Katt Williams. Granted, he's not a HUGE celebrity mind you, but at the same time, he is somewhat popular and fairly well known in America. I was at the mall and I just happened to spot an individual who looked exactly like him. Shrugging it off I didn't give it much thought until I noticed employees in the mall taking pictures, him signing pieces of paper, and again I didn't think much about it at the time. Upon getting a closer look I saw that it was Katt Williams. I could tell he didn't want to be bothered since he was dressed down considerably swearing a warm-up gear, wearing a skull cap, sunglasses, etc. I asked one of the employees if that was Katt Williams and he said "Yeah, that's him." So I just approached him and said "Hey Katt, how are you?", he was nice about it and said "Good, how are you?". After that brief exchange I just left him alone and let him have his space. Upon leaving the mall I noticed he went to Bath and Bodyworks, all of a sudden, I saw a massive crowd of people blocking the entrance way taking pictures. It was pretty surreal to be honest. With that said, I could understand why certain celebrities don't want to be bothered or feel that it's a hassle being famous.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 16:34:32 GMT -5
CM Punk wanting the fame without anyone noticing him on the street is like someone wanting to make six figures for a data entry job. If you make six figures, then you'll be doing more than data entry, and if you're passion is to be the top star on a TV company that is watched by 4-5M people a week, then you'll be recognized by sane and insane fans alike.
No one is condoning stupid fan behavior when they say "it comes with the fame", but reality is....it comes with the fame. Stupid, crazy people watch TV, too. They get attached to things, too. Punk even hoping to have it both ways (fame+privacy) makes him either delusional or lacking common sense.
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Post by salsashark on May 9, 2014 16:45:34 GMT -5
The term "victim-blaming"/"victim-blamey" is on the cusp of jumping the shark when you apply it to a situation like this. I understand that there's a fine line between these things, but can't there ever be a situation where someone inflicted/brought upon something upon themselves instead of being a victim? Are we just to absolve people of responsibility? CM Punk has benefited immensely from his time in WWE, and asked for the celebrity and fame and all that comes with it. Remember in his Pipebomb promo when he discussed the collector cups that his face is never on? Well, guess what, when your face is on one of those (or any piece of WWE merchandise promoted as such) you are considered a star and being a WWE star has pitfalls that come with them. Do you feel sorry for when mega-rich people say they have to pay higher taxes, too, and for extremely beautiful people who say it's so hard being so attractive? This is insane to me. Also, in response to the idea that being famous doesn't mean you have given up your rights to be a normal citizen, isn't he aware of what it entails? I thought he was a smart guy. This isn't anywhere like being born black or a woman or whatever and enduring harassment, this is choosing your career--one that has FAR more benefits than downsides, if you ask me--and then complaining that you got up to where you want. Again, guarantee 100 percent he would be unhappier if WWE had never pushed him as a top guy/main eventer and no one gave him a shit about him aside from a small, small portion of the WWE/wrestling audience. Being the top guy/main eventer means dealing with the public all the time because of your celebrity. I use the term "victim blaming" sometimes myself to apply to some situations, but using it like this takes it down the path of using the phrase "trigger warning" to be almost comically gentle and overly sensitive when it's unnecessary. People need to take responsibility for things, especially when they benefit dramatically like Punk has from his wrestling fame. Those benefits -- fame, tons of money, the adoration and respect of tons of people, always having his fame to fall back on if he needs to make more money, being at the top of his field >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some people stalking him. He would have probably never gotten to drop the Blackhawks puck, for one, if his WWE career hadn't been there to make him world-known. Did CM Punk benefit from being famous? Of cousre. But, because people don't know how to behave like civil, respectful people when they see him doesn't mean he forfeits the right to leading a normal life. "being famous" isn't a reason to treat someone differently than you'd treat anyone else. That's why I say it is the burden of human beings to act humanely towards one another. The burden shouldn't be on people to suffer others' inhumane treatment of one another. Do I feel bad that rich people pay more taxes? Of course not. A) Because they don't. Not really when you look at the loopholes built into the tax system. and B) Paying taxes is something you do that benefits the country/county as a whole and doesn't require your quality of life to be diminished. Do I feel bad for people who say being too attractive is difficult? OF COURSE. It would suck to be so attractive that people only think about you as "an attractive person" or by your looks alone. Sure there are benefits, but just because people aren't civil enough to treat someone like a fully realized, 3 dimensional human being doesn't mean "being pretty" balances that all out. Now, personal responsibility. That I'll agree with, because as people we all have the personal responsiblity to treat each other respectfully. As far as I can tell CM Punk holds up his end of the bargain. He's not chasing celebs out of restaurants and stalking them in their homes. I understand what you mean more now, but I guess I reserve most of my sympathy for people who really deserve it and do not receive great benefits from things. Attractive people, for example, have to deal with shit about just being evaluated for their looks sure, but look at the major upside of people willing to do more for them and treat them above others because of how they were born looking. I don't have a hard formula for this in everyday life, but I generally feel sympathetic for people who have it harder than they have it good. I'd feel sorry for someone who is ugly or has trouble getting things because of their looks much faster than I would for someone who is attractive. CM Punk has it so, so, so much better than a billion people--not to mention all those other wrestlers in his profession--that I have trouble feeling sorry for him. There are downsides to everything in life. There is no perfect job or perfect life or perfect person. This smacks of feeling sorry for everyone for every problem they have, if you're going to feel sorry for Punk here. People should not harass him. That's f***ed up, obviously, but at the same time, he knew what he was getting into. In terms of responsibility, he is responsible enough to know that working for WWE and pushing upward so hard as he did was going to be responsible for him losing aspects of his personal life. There is an easy enough solution to all this if you want to wrestle: don't go to WWE. Wrestle in ROH, or Mexico, or TNA or whatever. The tone of how he assesses these things matters, too, and how much self-awareness you have. If CM Punk (if he was writing this article) was putting forward a couple of points about the stalkers while joking about how hard he has it, I'd be endeared to him more. But it just like he would be a crank about it no matter what. If he was an endearing guy you only ever heard a couple of complaints out, I imagine I'd be much less harder and feel less strongly about this. But as this stands, this is like a billionaire weeping that their wallet is too fat for their jeans. There is a limit.
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Post by Red Impact on May 9, 2014 16:56:07 GMT -5
I love when famous people bitch about being famous. He choose the fame and money himself. Yes and no. However, fame often causes certain celebrities to become a recluse to a degree. Michael Jackson often said he appreciated the praise, the fame, and enjoyed performing and making music. But at the same time he wanted to be able to do simple things like shopping, walk on the beach, or just go to a park without being mobbed. So I can understand why certain celebrities feel the way they do. Hunter, in his prime, even said he hated being bothered by fans in airports or when he was trying to eat dinner. The difference between someone like Punk and Michael Jackson (beyond the fact that Jackson was a child who was being abused by his father and pushed on his way to stardom) is that the stories of Punk go back to early on his career. IIRC, Colt Cabana said that pretty much everyone had a story about Punk being a jerk when they first met. Maybe I'm wrong and this is a case of someone who always loved meeting the fans who just got worn out by it, but the stories make it sound like this was never Punk's forte. So while there are obviously fans who go over the line and people should be able to eat in peace regardless of celebrity status, there probably is an underlying question of why someone might choose with obvious public implications if they are completely not suited personality for it. It's not blaming the victim to say "you know, maybe you should think about everything a job entails before you decide to take it" (and given it's normal implications, it's a touch ridiculous that it's even being used in this context to me). You shouldn't be a doctor if you can't stand the sight of blood, you shouldn't be a cop if you don't like making people angry, and if you don't want people to snap a photo in public, you shouldn't have a job where you're pretty much yelling at millions of people to pay attention to you. I'm sure dealing with the crazy fans sucks, but it's nothing more than thinking each person should legitimately think about whatever job they're setting off to pursue and whether they are truly suited to deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 16:57:36 GMT -5
Did CM Punk benefit from being famous? Of cousre. But, because people don't know how to behave like civil, respectful people when they see him doesn't mean he forfeits the right to leading a normal life. "being famous" isn't a reason to treat someone differently than you'd treat anyone else. That's why I say it is the burden of human beings to act humanely towards one another. The burden shouldn't be on people to suffer others' inhumane treatment of one another. Do I feel bad that rich people pay more taxes? Of course not. A) Because they don't. Not really when you look at the loopholes built into the tax system. and B) Paying taxes is something you do that benefits the country/county as a whole and doesn't require your quality of life to be diminished. Do I feel bad for people who say being too attractive is difficult? OF COURSE. It would suck to be so attractive that people only think about you as "an attractive person" or by your looks alone. Sure there are benefits, but just because people aren't civil enough to treat someone like a fully realized, 3 dimensional human being doesn't mean "being pretty" balances that all out. Now, personal responsibility. That I'll agree with, because as people we all have the personal responsiblity to treat each other respectfully. As far as I can tell CM Punk holds up his end of the bargain. He's not chasing celebs out of restaurants and stalking them in their homes. People should not harass him. That's f***ed up, obviously, but at the same time, he knew what he was getting into. In terms of responsibility, he is responsible enough to know that working for WWE and pushing upward so hard as he did was going to be responsible for him losing aspects of his personal life. There is an easy enough solution to all this if you want to wrestle: don't go to WWE. Wrestle in ROH, or Mexico, or TNA or whatever. I'm not trying to cherrypick what you're saying, because I know what you mean and I think that its easy to say "This guy's got it great, why should I feel sympathy for him over someone who has got REAL problems." Which, hey, I can't argue with that, and I'm not even trying to illict sympathy for Certified Millionaire Punk. I was just saying you can't go "ugh, he's getting upset that people aren't treating him like a person!!!" When we should be asking ourselves "why do we feel its okay to treat anyone like that?" I'm not trying to make Punk a martyr, just saying we should put the microscope on the people who aren't acting appropriately in this situation. Regarding what I quoted above, I would imagine he knew exactly what "he was getting into" in that with success in that business comes fame and all the trappings of fame. What I find absolutely hilarious is that people will condemn a man for simply stating, "Hey, can we please act like civilized people here?" I'd wager my paycheck that when its appropriate CM Punk is probably very cordial to anyone who approaches him in a respectful manner - just like any other reasonable person. What he seems to be complaining about are the extreme cases of fans stepping over the line. What's wrong with him complaining about that? he's not saying, "no one should be talking to me ever EVER!!!" He's not trying to downplay his fame or anything, but he's acknowleding that some fans are going TOO far and people are throwing it back in his face like, "You CHOSE to be famous jack ass, now deal with people invading your privacy!" Which, to me, seems like we're addressing the wrong side of the problem.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on May 9, 2014 17:03:40 GMT -5
I'm going to call BS on this. I need something a little more convincing then someone saying to be Punk's friend.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 9, 2014 17:06:25 GMT -5
There's this weird, fascinating magical thinking thing going on here, how him being famous has given him lifestyle benefits (He's rich!!!), and that somehow isn't a non-sequitor in response to people making constant demands on him because he's famous. It's this desperate desire to justify the bad by saying that good exists too, and it's creepy and it makes no sense. People are Just-Worlding all over the place, like they really WANT there to be this intrinsic downside to being famous that you have to be stupid to not know about, and they NEED a reason why famous people don't deserve their sympathy. (though it's better than "It's okay because I personally don't like him," so there is that.)
And all that is ignoring the main point: This isn't some force of physics that has caused him trouble that directly result from him getting famous. Other people are doing this to him and ignoring his tacit or expressly stated desires to be left alone.
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Post by Error on May 9, 2014 17:11:11 GMT -5
I'm going to call BS on this. I need something a little more convincing then someone saying to be Punk's friend. You mean beside her being on his DVD, getting credit for coming up with the "Straight Edge means I'm better than you" gimmick and Punk writing the foreword to her book? As for this stuff with Punk, he wanted to be a wrestler and be the best, no matter your thoughts on him achieving that or not, at no point does anyone give up the right to be happy or the right to be treated humanely. No one regardless of celebrity status is under the obligation to sign things outside of contracted signings, to put their business dealings at risk because some fanatics feel they are entitled to this person's life or do they ever agree to be stalked by people hunting down their home address and then have people camp outside their homes, at the local grocer or anything like that. When people cross those lines and ruin the life of someone, it is not on the person of higher status to just accept it. When you reach the level of burnout Punk reportedly had, things like this only make it worse and threaten your physical and mental wellbeing. I'd rather see someone disappear and be happy than suffer publicly.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 9, 2014 17:31:13 GMT -5
I have a rule - if people want to make a lot of money out of exposure then they take the exposure. You can't want money for a job that involves wanting more and more people to see you then moan when people want to see you at a time that does not suit you. In your own home? Of course you can, and be perfectly justified in doing so.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 17:32:55 GMT -5
I have a rule - if people want to make a lot of money out of exposure then they take the exposure. You can't want money for a job that involves wanting more and more people to see you then moan when people want to see you at a time that does not suit you. In your own home? Of course you can, and be perfectly justified in doing so. Of course, I didn't specify that as I didn't think anyone disagreed. I just mean if you are out at a baseball game with 80,000 other people and you're famous then you cannot complain or be shocked if people wanna talk or get a picture.
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Post by Red Impact on May 9, 2014 17:36:29 GMT -5
There's this weird, fascinating magical thinking thing going on here, how him being famous has given him lifestyle benefits (He's rich!!!), and that somehow isn't a non-sequitor in response to people making constant demands on him because he's famous. It's this desperate desire to justify the bad by saying that good exists too, and it's creepy and it makes no sense. People are Just-Worlding all over the place, like they really WANT there to be this intrinsic downside to being famous that you have to be stupid to not know about, and they NEED a reason why famous people don't deserve their sympathy. (though it's better than "It's okay because I personally don't like him," so there is that.) And all that is ignoring the main point: This isn't some force of physics that has caused him trouble that directly result from him getting famous. Other people are doing this to him and ignoring his tacit or expressly stated desires to be left alone. I haven't seen this big upswelling of people who are justifying the bad stuff that the fans are doing. No one is saying "Yay, he makes money and is being harassed!" There's no big ground swelling of people who are happy that's he's dealing with miserable fans who are dumb enough to think that it's appropriate to hang out in alleys to see a guy take out the garbage, at least not that I've seen. In fact, people are generally saying these fans are way out of line and are clearly in the wrong and everyone should be entitled to live their lives, just saying that someone who is generally isolated, as his friend implies, should think twice about taking a job where the direct result is that you're going to have a lot of people who want to see you and meet you. It's sort of this thing adults do where they pick a job they are well suited to doing. As far as this Just-Worlding strawman thing you've concocted, if you really think there's no obvious downside to being famous, then I'm not going to shatter this fantastical worldview. For the rest of us, whether we like it or not, we see the clear evidence of the downside. It's not right that obsessed fans and press exist and are willing to go to insane lengths, no one is saying it is, but to deny that this happens is just being intentionally naive. Regardless of what you intend to do, whether it will make you famous or not, it's typically a good idea to think of the pros and cons of your proposed career path before they do and it's generally a good idea to think about the downsides that come with any career before you pursue it. Thinking about the pros and cons isn't creepy or magical, it's smart and sensible. It's what adults have to do in the real world. It's a pity that there are some people so clearly against the notion of actually putting thought into the future. Really though, honestly, this type of response doesn't even address what people really are saying, just taking passive aggressive pot shots that greatly misconstrue the point. No one said he shouldn't have privacy in his own home, no one said he shouldn't be safe, no one said fans should harass him. To try to characterize it as such is being incredibly dishonest. We're talking about two separate things here, the first about the crazy fan harassment, which pretty much everyone seems to agree is over the line and wrong, and the second about what an person should realistically expect when becoming a pro wrestler and how it might not be suited to someone who doesn't want the attention. She addressed at the very start that he was an isolated person, and there are a lot of previous stories of bad interactions with the guy, so it may not be outside the realm of possibility to wonder if his personality wasn't the best suited for the business. It's not missing the point at all to talk about an isolated person deciding to become a wrestler, there's more than one thing you can talk about in a particular article.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 17:36:37 GMT -5
People need to stop saying things like "He said he wanted to be the face of the company and on ice cream bars and stuff!"
You do get that was part of the storyline right? You do get that he later said he was being full of crap right?
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Post by Red Impact on May 9, 2014 17:43:42 GMT -5
People need to stop saying things like "He said he wanted to be the face of the company and on ice cream bars and stuff!" You do get that was part of the storyline right? You do get that he later said he was being full of crap right? The ice cream bar stuff was obviously a joke, but as for being the face, you don't really get to be at the top of WWE if you don't want to be there. They're not exactly a company that'd push someone against their will, especially a smaller guy like Punk.
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Post by kidglov3s on May 9, 2014 17:50:36 GMT -5
People need to stop saying things like "He said he wanted to be the face of the company and on ice cream bars and stuff!" You do get that was part of the storyline right? You do get that he later said he was being full of crap right? All I'm saying is CM Punk is getting off light for desecrating the remains of Paul Bearer (hopefully they can use the urn to bring him back). EDIT: I should specify that I mean I hope they can bring back Paul Bearer. CM Punk is a poopy I'm glad he's gone and the fact that has to look over his shoulder every waking moment is his rightful punishment for conspiring with The Shield to keep the WWE title when he couldn't overcome John Cena and/or Ryback.
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