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Post by Cyno on Jun 8, 2014 22:37:53 GMT -5
We can't really blame the refs for Duncan going to pressure Bosh when he had no reason to. One of the refs is a mutant and he used mind control to make Duncan do that. Both teams had 20 fouls called on them. It seems like some would still be saying it's rigged for Miami to win if they went 0-82. There have been people saying it's rigged for Miami to win after every game they win, even if the opposing team takes 15 more free throws. Well, people are morons. They're so consumed with hating on Miami and/or Lebron that they invent their own reality.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Jun 9, 2014 5:27:12 GMT -5
Miami leads the 2013-2014 NBA Finals 5 games to 4. Or at least it feels that way to me.
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Post by MGH on Jun 9, 2014 8:49:27 GMT -5
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Post by Crimson on Jun 9, 2014 9:21:47 GMT -5
That's honestly a bad sign if he was getting such a lucrative offer but still turned them down.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 9:53:46 GMT -5
Or in the case of Miami fans, they use the AC not working. It's a vast conspiracy.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 9, 2014 10:41:03 GMT -5
I stand by my belief that the league is trying to fix it for Miami to three-peat. With that said, I think they're going to attempt to do it by keeping these games close. Of course I'm judging this based solely from the comments on Facebook, what I've heard from friends, etc.
If Miami wins I won't be surprised honestly. The NBA in general wants Lebron to be the next MJ so bad they can taste it.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 9, 2014 10:43:36 GMT -5
One of the refs is a mutant and he used mind control to make Duncan do that. Both teams had 20 fouls called on them. It seems like some would still be saying it's rigged for Miami to win if they went 0-82. There have been people saying it's rigged for Miami to win after every game they win, even if the opposing team takes 15 more free throws. Well, people are morons. They're so consumed with hating on Miami and/or Lebron that they invent their own reality. Maybe, just maybe Miami wouldn't be so hated or disrespected if the league didn't favor them, their flopping, the way ESPN praises Lebron as if he's Jesus, and perhaps maybe if they weren't so arrogant people wouldn't hate them.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 9, 2014 11:00:40 GMT -5
Exhibit A.
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Post by Some Guy on Jun 9, 2014 11:28:18 GMT -5
I stand by my belief that the league is trying to fix it for Miami to three-peat. With that said, I think they're going to attempt to do it by keeping these games close. Of course I'm judging this based solely from the comments on Facebook, what I've heard from friends, etc. If Miami wins I won't be surprised honestly. The NBA in general wants Lebron to be the next MJ so bad they can taste it.
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Post by Waffel113 on Jun 9, 2014 11:31:50 GMT -5
I stand by my belief that the league is trying to fix it for Miami to three-peat. With that said, I think they're going to attempt to do it by keeping these games close. Of course I'm judging this based solely from the comments on Facebook, what I've heard from friends, etc. If Miami wins I won't be surprised honestly. The NBA in general wants Lebron to be the next MJ so bad they can taste it.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 9, 2014 11:49:11 GMT -5
I stand by my belief that the league is trying to fix it for Miami to three-peat. With that said, I think they're going to attempt to do it by keeping these games close. Of course I'm judging this based solely from the comments on Facebook, what I've heard from friends, etc. If Miami wins I won't be surprised honestly. The NBA in general wants Lebron to be the next MJ so bad they can taste it. So the group that bitches and whines the most is the only one informing your decisions on whether the refs are being biased. Makes total sense. There really is a no-win situation. If the better players win, it's only because it's rigged. If they lose, the league was just trying to keep it close. No outcome is ever satisfying, and god forbid the best players win. They can never, ever, ever, ever win if the game unless the NBA is rigging it. There's a difference between rigging the game and calling just being bad. NBA officiating is bad, it's always favored the superstars and home teams. That's not a sign of rigging, that's a sign that the officials just suck (or the game being too fast for the officials to do a decent job).
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 9, 2014 11:59:19 GMT -5
I stand by my belief that the league is trying to fix it for Miami to three-peat. With that said, I think they're going to attempt to do it by keeping these games close. Of course I'm judging this based solely from the comments on Facebook, what I've heard from friends, etc. If Miami wins I won't be surprised honestly. The NBA in general wants Lebron to be the next MJ so bad they can taste it. So the group that bitches and whines the most is the only one informing your decisions on whether the refs are being biased. Makes total sense. There really is a no-win situation. If the better players win, it's only because it's rigged. If they lose, the league was just trying to keep it close. No outcome is ever satisfying, and god forbid the best players win. They can never, ever, ever, ever win if the game unless the NBA is rigging it. There's a difference between rigging the game and calling just being bad. NBA officiating is bad, it's always favored the superstars and home teams. That's not a sign of rigging, that's a sign that the officials just suck (or the game being too fast for the officials to do a decent job). What I am saying is that it's an aspect of the game that needs to be investigated. I believe you'll agree that the NBA is the only sport that has been accused or labeled in terms of rigging. You haven't heard professional football, baseball, or hockey accused of rigging games by fans, athletes, or certain media pundits. The NBA officiating is way too inconsistent to the point to where it does look suspicious and it needs to change. You mean to tell me you don't believe the league favors Lebron or the Heat in general?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 9, 2014 12:02:37 GMT -5
I stand by my belief that the league is trying to fix it for Miami to three-peat. With that said, I think they're going to attempt to do it by keeping these games close. Of course I'm judging this based solely from the comments on Facebook, what I've heard from friends, etc. If Miami wins I won't be surprised honestly. The NBA in general wants Lebron to be the next MJ so bad they can taste it. So the group that bitches and whines the most is the only one informing your decisions on whether the refs are being biased. Makes total sense. There really is a no-win situation. If the better players win, it's only because it's rigged. If they lose, the league was just trying to keep it close. No outcome is ever satisfying, and god forbid the best players win. They can never, ever, ever, ever win if the game unless the NBA is rigging it. There's a difference between rigging the game and calling just being bad. NBA officiating is bad, it's always favored the superstars and home teams. That's not a sign of rigging, that's a sign that the officials just suck (or the game being too fast for the officials to do a decent job). If the officiating is poor then replace the officials immediately. You have a lot of fans, athletes, and some media pundits who point out a lot of suspicious activities regarding the 2002 Playoffs and the 2006 NBA championship. For all I know this could be sour grapes on not only my part, but some fans parts, and athletes as well. I honestly believe that if the league conducted some sort of investigation into their officiating crew, players, and owners showcasing that there is no favoritism, no rigging, or bailing out in order to satisfy the home crowd or the home team then fans would feel a lot better about the sport as a whole. Until that happens there will always be accusations of rigging when it comes to superstars like Lebron.
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Post by Some Guy on Jun 9, 2014 12:17:05 GMT -5
Yeah, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning don't get favorable calls. Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine weren't famous for getting a wider strikezone. Wayne Gretzky didn't get calls ever going his way.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 9, 2014 12:21:03 GMT -5
You can't get rid of accusations.
I fully believe there is nothing that can happen that will get rid of them. I know people that believe the NFL is rigged. I know people that believe MLB and the NHL are rigged. Hell, I work with a guy that thinks the PGA was rigged to let Tiger win all those years to increase their viewership numbers.
I'm sure you know people that think all moon landings were rigged. Of course we all know it was the Red Skull that shot JFK from the watertower.
What I'm trying to get at is that it's not the NBA's job to get rid of accusations... because that's impossible. Hell, I've admitted that certain times I even think the "fix" is in a certain games/times (2006). I personally think the NBA wants the finals stretched out as long as possible. But you can't "fix" blowouts, and you can't "fix" how the ball bounces. One of the most simple ways to "fix" would have been the review on the out of bounds call on Tony Parker. You can change a game right there...but if the "fix" was for Miami last night, that out of bounds on Tony Parker wouldn't have given the ball back to the Spurs.
Last night I couldn't see any semblance of a Fix. The officials blew ass rather equally.
Don't confuse shitty reffing with "the fix".
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 9, 2014 12:25:42 GMT -5
Yeah, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning don't get favorable calls. Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine weren't famous for getting a wider strikezone. Wayne Gretzky didn't get calls ever going his way. Difference is that if the NFL favored Brady and Peyton the way they do Lebron and the Heat, you can rest assure that the Patriots would've won the Super Bowl undefeated and the Broncos wouldn't have gotten massacred by the Seahawks. That's the difference between the NBA and the NFL. The NBA appears, at least to me, goes out of their way to favor the big time stars through bad calls and questionable acts that favor the team they're on and in the end it helps them achieve a victory. There was a lot more money, ratings, and advertisements to go with the Patriots winning undefeated or the Broncos winning the Super Bowl. I think the league could get rid of the accusations of "rigging" if they conducted an independent investigation.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 9, 2014 12:29:59 GMT -5
You can't get rid of accusations. I fully believe there is nothing that can happen that will get rid of them. I know people that believe the NFL is rigged. I know people that believe MLB and the NHL are rigged. Hell, I work with a guy that thinks the PGA was rigged to let Tiger win all those years to increase their viewership numbers. I'm sure you know people that think all moon landings were rigged. Of course we all know it was the Red Skull that shot JFK from the watertower. What I'm trying to get at is that it's not the NBA's job to get rid of accusations... because that's impossible. Hell, I've admitted that certain times I even think the "fix" is in a certain games/times (2006). I personally think the NBA wants the finals stretched out as long as possible. But you can't "fix" blowouts, and you can't "fix" how the ball bounces. One of the most simple ways to "fix" would have been the review on the out of bounds call on Tony Parker. You can change a game right there...but if the "fix" was for Miami last night, that out of bounds on Tony Parker wouldn't have given the ball back to the Spurs. Last night I couldn't see any semblance of a Fix. The officials blew ass rather equally. Don't confuse shitty reffing with "the fix". See while I understand what you're saying I definitely don't see how the NFL, NHL, or MLB is fixed in the slightest. You virtually have different teams who win their respective championships when it's all said and done. While I admit I don't follow a lot of hockey or baseball(save for the fights), if I was talking to your friend, I'd point out the Super Bowl between the Patriots/Giants where the Giants ended the Patriots undefeated streak. As I said in my previous post, if they wanted to fix ANYTHING, they'd fix that given how much money there was in the Patriots achieving history. Only times I've believed the fix was in with the NBA was in 2000(the Portland/Los Angeles series), 2002(For obvious reasons), 2006, and 2013.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 9, 2014 12:50:53 GMT -5
So the group that bitches and whines the most is the only one informing your decisions on whether the refs are being biased. Makes total sense. There really is a no-win situation. If the better players win, it's only because it's rigged. If they lose, the league was just trying to keep it close. No outcome is ever satisfying, and god forbid the best players win. They can never, ever, ever, ever win if the game unless the NBA is rigging it. There's a difference between rigging the game and calling just being bad. NBA officiating is bad, it's always favored the superstars and home teams. That's not a sign of rigging, that's a sign that the officials just suck (or the game being too fast for the officials to do a decent job). If the officiating is poor then replace the officials immediately. You have a lot of fans, athletes, and some media pundits who point out a lot of suspicious activities regarding the 2002 Playoffs and the 2006 NBA championship. For all I know this could be sour grapes on not only my part, but some fans parts, and athletes as well. I honestly believe that if the league conducted some sort of investigation into their officiating crew, players, and owners showcasing that there is no favoritism, no rigging, or bailing out in order to satisfy the home crowd or the home team then fans would feel a lot better about the sport as a whole. Until that happens there will always be accusations of rigging when it comes to superstars like Lebron. It's a fast sport, and it's inherently hard to officiate because body's are going to be in the way of most of what's going on. The nature of the sport makes it such that you'll always have "bad" officiating. The best officials are going to miss calls in any sport, basketball isn't really more egregious than any other sport. But I don't see people whining when KD gets superstar calls if they play the Heat. No, the narrative is that if a call goes the Heat's way, then it's rigged, if it doesn't, then Heat fans have no room to complain. Huge amount of hypocrisy there. And you're mixing sins here. There's an entire level between "home teams get the iffy calls" and "The league makes sure X wins the title." The former happens, we know it happens, we know certain players get a little more leeway. That's not a conspiracy. It'd be great if they fixed that, but in the heat of the moment and dealing with the sort of mouth-breathing fans who will call in death threats against official's children, making a controversial call that fouls out a superstar is just less likely to happen. There's not a superstar in the league who hasnt' benefited from it either, not Lebron, KD, Blake Griffin, Kobe, Dirk, Chris Paul, James Harden, Tim Duncan or anyone else who has graced an all-star team. It's like that in every sport too, Tom Brady gets more flags that benefit him than other QB's, because he's Tom Brady. But despite what the vocal fans would say, there were bad calls last night that hurt the Heat. If your standard for "not being rigged" is "officials never make a questionable call" then you're never going to be satisfied. But to take that and go to "The league is making sure X wins" is just ridiculous. The presence of some bad call doesn't mean the league sends down a mandate that Lebron has to threepeat. And, frankly, no manner of league mandate will make Tim Duncan and Tony Parker go 50% from the throw line. If you want to blame a 2 point loss on anything, blame it on the fact that they gave up 7 gimme points. And, you know, if the League really wanted to rig the game, New York wouldn't suck as much as they do.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 9, 2014 13:45:37 GMT -5
If the officiating is poor then replace the officials immediately. You have a lot of fans, athletes, and some media pundits who point out a lot of suspicious activities regarding the 2002 Playoffs and the 2006 NBA championship. For all I know this could be sour grapes on not only my part, but some fans parts, and athletes as well. I honestly believe that if the league conducted some sort of investigation into their officiating crew, players, and owners showcasing that there is no favoritism, no rigging, or bailing out in order to satisfy the home crowd or the home team then fans would feel a lot better about the sport as a whole. Until that happens there will always be accusations of rigging when it comes to superstars like Lebron. It's a fast sport, and it's inherently hard to officiate because body's are going to be in the way of most of what's going on. The nature of the sport makes it such that you'll always have "bad" officiating. The best officials are going to miss calls in any sport, basketball isn't really more egregious than any other sport. But I don't see people whining when KD gets superstar calls if they play the Heat. No, the narrative is that if a call goes the Heat's way, then it's rigged, if it doesn't, then Heat fans have no room to complain. Huge amount of hypocrisy there. And you're mixing sins here. There's an entire level between "home teams get the iffy calls" and "The league makes sure X wins the title." The former happens, we know it happens, we know certain players get a little more leeway. That's not a conspiracy. It'd be great if they fixed that, but in the heat of the moment and dealing with the sort of mouth-breathing fans who will call in death threats against official's children, making a controversial call that fouls out a superstar is just less likely to happen. There's not a superstar in the league who hasnt' benefited from it either, not Lebron, KD, Blake Griffin, Kobe, Dirk, Chris Paul, James Harden, Tim Duncan or anyone else who has graced an all-star team. It's like that in every sport too, Tom Brady gets more flags that benefit him than other QB's, because he's Tom Brady. But despite what the vocal fans would say, there were bad calls last night that hurt the Heat. If your standard for "not being rigged" is "officials never make a questionable call" then you're never going to be satisfied. But to take that and go to "The league is making sure X wins" is just ridiculous. The presence of some bad call doesn't mean the league sends down a mandate that Lebron has to threepeat. And, frankly, no manner of league mandate will make Tim Duncan and Tony Parker go 50% from the throw line. If you want to blame a 2 point loss on anything, blame it on the fact that they gave up 7 gimme points. And, you know, if the League really wanted to rig the game, New York wouldn't suck as much as they do. Okay, assuming you're right with your statement. You mean to tell me that these grown men and women who officiate these games are afraid of some idiotic fans calling in death threats? It's not like they're actually going to carry out their threats. It's true that EVERY superstars receive gimmie calls and I'm not disputing that or your statement. What I am saying once again is that there appears to be a lot of intense favoritism, coverage, and a lot of bailout calls that have benefitted the Heat in every scenario. If a player goes near Lebron or Wade it's a foul, if the opposing defender flops they're fined, however, if Lebron, Wade, Bosh, or Battier flops officials look the other way or reward them with a call. It's just a sickening display of bias that I feel has hurt the legitimacy of the game in my opinion. It's true that Dirk, Paul, Kobe, Duncan, etc receive those calls and it's wrong for them to receive help like that too. These are professional athletes who are considered to be some of the best in the world when it comes to their sport. They do not need any help from the league or officials.
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Post by Some Guy on Jun 9, 2014 14:08:22 GMT -5
Pittsburgh/Seattle in the Super Bowl was officiated worse than any series you've mentioned thus far.
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