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Post by 67 more on Aug 29, 2014 14:32:12 GMT -5
Updated for Souled Out 2000.
Will give quick thoughts as I watched this recently. Cool to see Benoit win his first world title even if he doesn't care about it, Nash vs Funk was uncomfortable and poor Dean Malenko.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 29, 2014 16:56:38 GMT -5
Seeing as I have seen that show in the past, I have no desire to rewatch it.
* The first match is a match where even Dean Malenko didn't understand the damn rules, that should say something. I guess after this match, Malenko was like "Screw this, get me the hell out of this company" * Next match was basically "We couldn't find a partner for Vampiro so we'll have some BS where Vampiro fights them 2 on 1". Way to bury David Flair & Crowbar though... * Tony Marinara leaves to say he needs to take care of something and is never seen in WCW again because they fired his ass. * The Mamalukes vs. The Harris Brothers was a freaking mess. * F*** Oklahoma PERIOD and F*** the fact that the one-time sought after Crusierweight Title was relegated to being around that fat f***'s waist. Sorry, I just hate Oklahoma that much and he was the reason I gave up on WCW. * Kidman beats Saturn with a freaking bulldog. Damn, did Perry Saturn want to get out of there in a hurry. Screw pinning me with your finisher, just give me a bulldog and I'll stay down for the 1-2-3. * Booker T vs. Stevie Ray aka the appearance of Big T, who seemed to have eaten Ahmed Johnson and took his bookings. This of course creates the abomination known as Harlem Heat 2000 and the even bigger joke that was the feud over Booker's use of the letter T. * Tank Abbot knocks out Jerry Flynn....this lasted less than two minutes and I'm left wondering why this was on the card. * Buff Bagwell only wins this Last Man Standing Match because DDP can't get up after missing his own finisher. As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a Maroon.." * The Wall is the final person Kidman has to face and of course the Wall is the one to beat him. Sorry, but I was never impressed with The Wall. * Two old guys fighting each other for the dubious honor of being WCW Commissioner aka Kevin Nash vs. Terry Funk. Can't really watch this match, which I can say wasn't repeated until Ric Flair vs. Sting in TNA. * Chris Benoit wins the belt in the most BS of fashions as a last ditch effort to keep him in WCW because even they knew that Chris Benoit was not a talent you wanted to lose. Thankfully Benoit saw past this BS and decided to leave.
As you can guess, I hated this freaking show and even though Vince Russo was fired (because after Bret Hart got hurt, his great idea was to put the belt on Tank Abbott (I've heard him defend that move and it would have been seen as a failure then and now. Tank Abbott didn't have history with the company like Brock Lesnar did so giving his goofy ass the belt would have been met with as much vile as he would later get when he decided to put that belt on David Arquette)), but this damn show has his clusterf*** fingerprints all over it.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 30, 2014 10:17:15 GMT -5
There should be PSAs before this show warning viewers not to watch it. Ironically it was one of the first things I watched on the Network because I actually saw all of the other bad 2000 WCW PPVs, but this one I had skipped (though lord knows I followed the chaos online). It really might be the worst wrestling show of all time. I suppose Bagwell/DDP was a fairly decent brawl, but not enough to make up for this catastrophic show. I started out laughing at the bad stuff like Malenko forgetting the rules and bailing to the floor, but by the time the Oklahoma fiasco happened I just got angry with the show and by the end I sank into a feeling of depression.
Oddly I do recommend this show since it IS historically relevant. This PPV was the "plane crashing into the mountain" moment for WCW.
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Post by 67 more on Sept 5, 2014 13:02:22 GMT -5
Updated and there was another tie. GAB 96 will be first and KOTR 96 will happen next week.
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Post by 67 more on Sept 5, 2014 17:16:36 GMT -5
Just finished the show. Let's give my thoughts.
God, I hate the national anthem being played. I'm not patriotic towards my own country so why would I care about the US's anthem? Also, I had a moment where I went "that flagbearer looks like Sgt Pittman" then Schiavone says "Sgt Craig Pittman with the flag there". So that would explain why I thought Sgt Pittman looked like himself.
Fire & Ice vs The Steiners. Hated this match. Dangerous, sloppy mess. Scott dumping Norton on his head with a T-Bone, Norton dumping Scott on his head with a shoulderbreaker, Norton dangerously reaching out to the floor off a German suplex (great way to break an arm) and Scott f***ing up the frankensteiner onto his own head. At the Frankensteiner, I literally shouted FOR f***'S SAKE and paused the PPV for a while because I was so mad at this complete lack of regard for one another's safety.
Taskmaster promo. His Boston accent sounds ridiculous as always.
Konnan vs El Gato. The Mexican title is actually the AAA Americas title, for those wondering. I guessed Gato was Pat Tanaka by the way he moved and I was right. Shit match.
Sting and Mean Gene spend a promo basically saying that British men are homosexual. Thanks, guys.
DDP vs Bagwell. I love DDP but his selling was so over-the-top it took away from the match a lot. Leaping three feet in the air off an atomic drop? Sorry, ridiculous. DDP hits a strange variation of a Regalplex, sort of from a headlock, which was cool. I got sad when I realised that DDP's music was his dubbed version. I always seem to forget they dub it over. Also, I could have done without Dusty telling us how much Schiavone bangs his wife.
Giant with a very good promo, albeit with his still hammy Giant voice.
Rey vs Malenko. I was underwhelmed by this one. Malenko stayed far too long on some very boring offence (and seemed to get legit pissed off when Rey didn't know how to get out a short armscissors) that led to Rey's comeback being not enough. Not a good way to debut Rey, personally. Certainly not a BAD match, though.
Luger with a solid promo, although sadly he still manages to flub one of his words. He still has a lot of pide though.
Bubba vs Tenta. Yawn. Sorry.
Mongo and Kevin Greene call me baby way too many times.
Benoit vs Taskmaster in a FANTASTIC falls count anywhere match. Best match on the card, quite frankly. Very contrived finish though with the ref and Jimmy Hart holding the table still for the Benoit superplex. Seeing Benoit get his head slammed in the toilet door made me cringe as well. Also amazing the professionalism of both men to get through this match without killing each other what with what was going on at the time.
Great promo from the Horsemen, naturally.
Regal vs Sting in an another fantastic match, despite or maybe because of Regal's strange dancing throughout. Regal also worked a very technical style like Malenko tonight but unlike Malenko, Regal spent the entire time talking shit, doing stuff with the holds to make them interesting, rather than just applying holds for the sake of it. Regal > Malenko, any day of the week.
Michael Buffer is the worst wrestling ring announcer of all time. There, I said it.
Flair/Arn vs Mongo/Greene was a fun non-wrestler match. Debra suddenly coming out Horsemen'd felt a bit forced, but oh well. Was fun to see Heenan get one last shot at being a manager, just a shame he was in no shape to take any sort of physical comeuppance. Flair gives Savage the gentlest briefcase shot to the head of all time. Dusty losing his shit really puts this over. The WCW commentary team, for all the shit we give them, could always act outraged at the dastardly heels extremely well.
Nash powerbombing Bischoff off the stage? Awesome. Also, they censored WWF during this so it must have originated from 24/7, I imagine.
Luger vs Giant bombs hard and I feel most of the reason is because of its placement. Should have had either the Horsemen match or the Bischoff segment as the finish to the PPV.
Overall, the PPV has more bad than good but the good really shines through.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 7, 2014 22:32:02 GMT -5
Yeah, this was a situation where we had a normally a great undercard, but a crappy main event picture. Overall, I didn't hate this ppv, but I didn't love it either. Liked Mysterio/Malenko, Sting/Regal, and Benoit/Taskmaster. The Outsiders segment was great too.
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Post by domrep on Sept 10, 2014 9:15:18 GMT -5
So was Heenan supposed to be the manager of the Horsemen long term and the NWO angle changed that or? Because he would have been a great mouthpiece for Mongo and Benoit.
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Post by 67 more on Sept 12, 2014 14:14:02 GMT -5
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Post by 67 more on Sept 15, 2014 17:24:11 GMT -5
Just finished watching KOTR 96.
Owen comes out to commentary, his performance was average. He had a few funny lines but got very grating.
Austin vs Mero. Good match, Austin's mouth was disgusting. Didn't help that Mero dropkicked him straight in it.
Jake promo and I f***ing hate his reformed Christian character, especially since he was still indulging in his demons anyway.
Jake vs Vader. f***ing shit finish. Vader gets DQed for trying to desperately avoid the DDT. Why not have Jake pin him with Vader kicking out at 3 and a half or have Jake get a lucky rollup instead of the DDT? Or Vader win and then continue to beat on Jake so much the decision gets reversed?
Smoking Gunns promo and Billy whiffs it hard. Good job Sunny's there to talk for him.
Godwinns vs Gunns. Yawn of a match. I also hate whenever someone hits their opponent with their boot. How does that differ from a kick? Just kick the man!
Warrior vs Lawler. Love the cheap heat from Lawler, especially the Goldust line. Lawler does not give one f*** about the referee, making Jimmy Korderas look completely impotent. Warrior wins with a f***ing shoulder block. Would it have killed you to hit the splash?
Taker vs Mankind. Aside from HIAC, this is my favourite match the two ever had. Sick bumps, great brawling and both men look great with Foley winning off a technical submission after the blunder of Paul Bearer. Really made Mankind look like a serious threat.
Goldust vs Ahmed. Ahmed nearly kills himself with a plancha, the Miz would have done a better job of catching Ahmed than Goldust did. Goldust is a complete f***ing idiot, knocking out Ahmed with a sleeper then waking him up with CPR molestation. OK match, nothing great.
Brian Pillman promo. Great delivery, not actually a lot to say.
Austin vs Roberts. Match was bad, especially with Gorilla just interrupting the match so that Jake can recover (Owen had every right to sound off on commentary). It's not the match everyone remembers though, it's DAT PROMO. That's all that matters.
Shawn vs Bulldog. Great match, shit booking. Why even book Perfect as the special ref if you were just going to change it (I hate this every time it happens in wrestling)? Why was Vince screaming at Bulldog to be DQed for pressing Shawn over the top rope? This isn't WCW, he can do that all he likes. Why did Perfect get in the ring to count three with Hebner, then get pulled out? Hebner still completed the three-count so why does it matter if Perfect was pulled out? Why did Shawn go for a small package during an after-match beatdown? Did they completely f*** up the finish? Did Owen legit pull the wrong ref out? What the f*** happened? At least we got that sweet powerbomb from Bulldog.
At least we had a funny after-show promo with Camp Cornette.
Historically, this is essential watching just because of the Austin 3:16, Ahmed's only title win and the Taker/Mankind match. However, there's a lot of shit also on this show.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 18, 2014 20:02:26 GMT -5
This show is definitely essential viewing to see when WWE was starting to get out of its funk from 1995.
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Post by 67 more on Sept 20, 2014 9:56:31 GMT -5
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Another tie so we'll have Rumble 01 this week and Judgment Day 2004 next week.
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Post by 67 more on Sept 23, 2014 15:57:12 GMT -5
Only going to briefly talk about Rumble since I've watched it fairly recently.
Dudleys vs E&C was a fine opener, irks me seeing "concussed" wrestlers wrestle though. Jericho vs Benoit is still a classic, although Benoit's tope into a chair is still disgusting. Couldn't care less about the Women's or World title match and the Rumble was fun.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 26, 2014 23:13:36 GMT -5
This really does show that when WCW was on it's last few ppvs, it wasn't helped that WWF was with their ppvs going for the freaking throat of the competition.
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Post by 67 more on Sept 27, 2014 3:56:44 GMT -5
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 27, 2014 3:58:17 GMT -5
Judgment Day 2004: Eddie Guerrero bleeds to save this shit show.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 28, 2014 16:55:38 GMT -5
Despite the great moment of Eddie Guerrero being champion, Smackdown really was in the crapper at the times in 2004.
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Post by 67 more on Sept 28, 2014 20:02:51 GMT -5
Thoughts while watching.
RVD & Rey vs Dudleyz was OK. Dudleyz were beyond stale at this point. Don't like that Bombshell is dubbed out.
Cheap heat Angle.
Torrie vs Dawn was bad. Dawn Marie apparently never learned how to take a back bump, although she has a pretty good arse bump. And arse, for that matter.
JBL's racist promo. Uncle Zebekiah taught him early.
Mordecai vs Scotty 2 Hotty was a boring big man squash. God, Smackdown must have got raped in the draft that year. Weird hearing Cole call Mordecai's finish a Razor's Edge.
...is Jackie into masochism? Not that I mind, just saying.
Haas/Rico vs Hard Gunn. God, there was some thrown-together teams at the time. The next year, Holly and Haas would be teaming. I liked Haas and Rico when I was 12, though. Rico proves that Billy isn't actually an ass man. This match is earning this show its MA rating. Never thought I'd see Charlie Haas mime a blowjob. Holly with a textbook Flying Nothing which Haas somehow counters. I love the superkick into the sunset out of the Alabama slam finish, props to whoever the agent was. Fun match.
Short, to the point promo from Bearer & Taker. So weird seeing Paul Bearer in 2004 not being buried in concrete.
Jackie vs Chavo. I like Jackie's shorts, I must say. I also like the dastardly heel finish. That's it. At least Jacqueline wasn't the worst Cruserweight champion in history.
John Cena vs Dupree. I f***ing hate anti-USA storylines. Can't stand them then, can't stand them now (looking at you, Rusev). Also Dupree has the worst French accent I've ever heard, I know you're a Canuck but jeesh, at least try. At least Cena hadn't become an unlikable caricature yet. Dupree got scared going over the top on a clothesline, which is understandable, because I don't like doing it either. Could do without the fans calling Dupree a homo. Could Dupree not wear ballhuggers, please? Great spinebuster from Dupree. Lazy FU beats Dupree, looks so weak. Match was OK, but f*** patriotism storylines.
OH SHIT, KENZO SUZUKI!
Taker vs Booker. This would have been a perfect match to bring back Papa Shango. Also, what is this, American Horror Story? f***ing lame ref bump, at least Patrick doesnt sell it long. Taker loses the chokeslam halfway through but the tombstone looks great. Good match, if a bit silly.
JBL vs Eddie. Could JBL be any more of a heel? Loving it, especially in such a great cheap heat area. Also love when Cole would really have disdain for JBL, he'd just call him Bradshaw. Just a shame they had to rush JBL into this after Brock's departure, rather than letting it progress naturally, which really hurt the show at the time. That half of the f***ing APA was main eventing turned a lot of people off Smackdown. Love the start of this match with Eddie just kicking the shit out of this piece of shit who hurt his mom. No f***ing headlocks and drop toe holds unlike Cena/Orton at RR 14. Also love the guys paying attention to the countout rather than just ignoring it and forcing the ref to magically restart at one for no reason. JBL tries to outwrestle and smother an outraged Eddie, the story of this match is solid. f***ing hell, a ref bump. Must be time for the bladejob of death. And it is. Jesus. That f***ing pool where Eddie was sat. Why the f*** did Lil Naitch walk into that clothesline for?!
Jesus Christ, the ring. In 2014, this match would be so stopped and for good reason. Even JBL is soaked in Eddie's blood. Eddie low blows JBL and hits him with the title for the DQ in self-defence. Eddie's post-match beatdown shows the story of this match. Eddie doesn't care about a DQ, Eddie doesn't even care about retaining the title at this point. From the outset, Eddie wanted a fight, to hurt this bastard and he did. This is a DQ finish done right. This was bloody and intense and I love it. For all the things JBL did to his family and said about his race, this f***er needed comeuppance and he got it. As an aside, nice to see Arn, Malenko, Finlay and Skinner break things up. Sadly, no Worzel.
This show's undercard is shit but this main event is worth every penny. f***ing fantastic.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 28, 2014 22:36:32 GMT -5
By the way, I thought they were actually going to do something with Booker T's voodoo against the Undertaker and really shook my head that all that was done was to have that sand be used as stuff you can throw at the eyes, which Undertaker freaking no-sold.
Also, that main event has uncomfortable levels of blood. Also, DQ finishes for your main event should never happen.
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Post by 67 more on Sept 29, 2014 4:03:48 GMT -5
By the way, I thought they were actually going to do something with Booker T's voodoo against the Undertaker and really shook my head that all that was done was to have that sand be used as stuff you can throw at the eyes, which Undertaker freaking no-sold. Also, that main event has uncomfortable levels of blood. Also, DQ finishes for your main event should never happen. It's because Taker is stronger than any voodoo! It pissed me off that Cole & Tazz had no idea what the dirt was when they specified in the promo package it was dirt from an unmarked grave. But yeah, I'm guessing that was just to re-establish the Deadman character to fans who may have never seen Deadman Taker. Taker is this supernatural being stronger than any force. You could also argue that Booker was so paranoid he was willing to believe anything that would work and he got taken for a ride by the voodoo lady. Normally, I agree that a DQ finish has no place in a PPV main event, but this DQ made perfect sense. Eddie was so pissed off with this man that caused his mother's heart attack the match didn't even matter. He just wanted to destroy him. It made sense.
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Post by 67 more on Oct 3, 2014 13:01:46 GMT -5
Another tie. Living Dangerously first, Greed second.
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