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Post by 543Y2J on Jun 9, 2014 7:35:21 GMT -5
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Post by 543Y2J on Jun 9, 2014 7:41:00 GMT -5
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Post by The Blue Nova on Jun 9, 2014 12:54:17 GMT -5
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Jun 9, 2014 15:39:15 GMT -5
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Jun 9, 2014 15:41:26 GMT -5
I've been hoping for one of these for a while. ECW had some classic moments and spots.
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Post by Digital Witness on Jun 9, 2014 22:13:59 GMT -5
With the bouncing head drops, I'm fully convinced that mother Van Dam mated with a spring.
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Post by 543Y2J on Jun 10, 2014 7:14:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 7:23:44 GMT -5
With the bouncing head drops, I'm fully convinced that mother Van Dam mated with a spring. Except when he takes an Impact DDT, the way he's able to stand on his head, then just topple over like a house of cards.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 10, 2014 7:25:33 GMT -5
Maybe I am just a mark for him, but I consider a lot of what Paul Heyman did with ECW to actually be more impressive than what Eric Bischoff did with WCW. Heyman did not have the unlimited resources of the Turner media empire at his disposal, nor did he have the pre-existing talent pool of the NWA's former top territory or the WWF's biggest stars of the 80's to draw from. Heyman took what was literally a high school gym promotion and took of national, and he created brand new stars out of names people had never heard of. That's not to say Heyman didn't make mistakes, because he made plenty.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jun 11, 2014 13:23:32 GMT -5
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Post by chazzbusby on Jun 11, 2014 14:19:19 GMT -5
Maybe I am just a mark for him, but I consider a lot of what Paul Heyman did with ECW to actually be more impressive than what Eric Bischoff did with WCW. Heyman did not have the unlimited resources of the Turner media empire at his disposal, nor did he have the pre-existing talent pool of the NWA's former top territory or the WWF's biggest stars of the 80's to draw from. Heyman took what was literally a high school gym promotion and took of national, and he created brand new stars out of names people had never heard of. That's not to say Heyman didn't make mistakes, because he made plenty. Heyman is one of the best bookers in history. Doing what he did with the resources available and talent under his control was a huge achievement. I mean, by and large the ECW talent were often lacking in certain areas. Loads of top quality wrestlers, don't get me wrong, but a large amount of them were hardly capable of a mat classic, technical masterpiece. To be able to take those wrestlers, see their weaknesses and work with them to find ways of masking those weaknesses - whether through gimmick tweaks or matches that protected them - is an ability that very few people in the wrestling world possess. Not only did he mask the weaknesses, but he did it so well that they got over with one of the toughest crowds there was. With all due respect to the likes of Sandman, Sabu etc - if they'd been asked to go out and deliver conventional twenty minute matches, they'd have been booed out the building straight away. Token "not a good businessman" comment here, before finishing up by saying Heyman's ability to save, prolong and grow the careers of wrestlers in ECW is a testament to his creative mind.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 11, 2014 16:35:14 GMT -5
To add to the above, I wish TNA could be like Heyman, as in making stars out of unappreciated WWE employees but NOT BEING OBNOXIOUS ABOUT IT.
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Post by Parker Stiles on Jun 11, 2014 19:41:14 GMT -5
just searched for a ecw pic thread. surprised this was the first one but glad i'm here at the start
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Post by Reflecto on Jun 11, 2014 19:53:06 GMT -5
Heyman is one of the best bookers in history. Doing what he did with the resources available and talent under his control was a huge achievement. I mean, by and large the ECW talent were often lacking in certain areas. Loads of top quality wrestlers, don't get me wrong, but a large amount of them were hardly capable of a mat classic, technical masterpiece. To be able to take those wrestlers, see their weaknesses and work with them to find ways of masking those weaknesses - whether through gimmick tweaks or matches that protected them - is an ability that very few people in the wrestling world possess. Not only did he mask the weaknesses, but he did it so well that they got over with one of the toughest crowds there was. With all due respect to the likes of Sandman, Sabu etc - if they'd been asked to go out and deliver conventional twenty minute matches, they'd have been booed out the building straight away. Token "not a good businessman" comment here, before finishing up by saying Heyman's ability to save, prolong and grow the careers of wrestlers in ECW is a testament to his creative mind. The problem with this- not saying Heyman wasn't a great booker, but the "he played to everyone's strengths and hid their weaknesses" as the talking point for why Heyman was so good is faulty- simply because, quite frankly, playing to your talent's strengths and hiding their weaknesses is the very core of being a booker and developing gimmicks for talent. Just saying Heyman is good because he did it is certainly true, but how does that make him different from the person who looked at Mark Callous in WCW and thought "this guy's a talented big man, but his facial expressions are kind of wooden...let's make him a zombie and allow him to work, but not have to emote as much...", or Stephanie McMahon for "John Cena's a okay prospect who's not getting over- but he's really entertaining just freestyling, maybe I can do something with that...", or Eric Bischoff even going "Everyone knows who Razor Ramon and Diesel are, they're coming here...I might be able to do a storyline with this..."? Heyman was a very good booker, he had his pulse on the culture of the time period, he was a great talent scout- but those are things ALL bookers have to be able to do, it's not like Heyman's super-special for doing it.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jun 11, 2014 22:50:17 GMT -5
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Post by 543Y2J on Jun 12, 2014 5:28:28 GMT -5
Credit to ecwontnn on tumblr for these one's Kid Kash's attitude problems are well known at this point but I can't deny being a fan of the guy and just how good he is in the ring during his ECW/WWE/TNA runs.
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Post by 543Y2J on Jun 12, 2014 5:29:29 GMT -5
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Post by 543Y2J on Jun 12, 2014 5:30:53 GMT -5
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Post by 543Y2J on Jun 12, 2014 5:33:48 GMT -5
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Post by 543Y2J on Jun 12, 2014 5:36:58 GMT -5
Lance The Original White Shelton Benjamin Storm
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