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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 16:17:47 GMT -5
Because we gots to cue the music... I like to think that they brought everyone on the roster into a room, then started playing this, before endeavouring these people & dragging them out of the room. "The McMahons send their regards." |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jun 12, 2014 16:17:53 GMT -5
Releasing Drew was a big waste.
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Post by Phil Parent on Jun 12, 2014 16:20:25 GMT -5
Why did he spend his time on the main roster playing a Mexican cholo? Because WWE. Was Nikita Koloff actually Russian? Don't bother looking, he wasn't. This type of stuff is a staple of professional wrestling, NOT just WWF/E. He wasn't, but he was probably the most dedicated at the gimmick, ever. |
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Post by saintpat on Jun 12, 2014 16:21:44 GMT -5
I don't want to give anything away, but I suspect to see a new debut soon...  Clearly a case of nepotism keeping Clem due to his family ties. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 16:24:27 GMT -5
Was Nikita Koloff actually Russian? Don't bother looking, he wasn't. This type of stuff is a staple of professional wrestling, NOT just WWF/E. He wasn't, but he was probably the most dedicated at the gimmick, ever. Ivan was Canadian and had a frickin' hammer & sickle tattooed on his arm. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jun 12, 2014 16:26:27 GMT -5
Local jobbers would prevent the midcard from becoming the jobbers and the upper midcard/part time main eventers being just the midcard. You know what would prevent the midcard from becoming the jobbers? Actually using them for other things besides jobbing, or at the very least, letting them lose competitively rather than in squashes And you know what would prevent the upper midcard/part time main eventers from being just the midcard, giving them actual storylines instead of just beating the midcard guys in nothing matches. Sheamus vs. The Miz or Dolph Ziggler vs. Kane is at least good enough to headline SmackDown. The lost of local jobbers made the lower tier folks the new jobber class. A new guy debuting usual goes through the jobber class then to the lower tier to the gate keepers before fighting the main eventers. Rusev has already beaten half of the midcarders and he's only been there for a couple of months. Storylines would be great but what difference does it make if they still going to be jobbers to the stars? Having angles while avoiding being regular canvasbacks is the goal. And no one wants to see a Miz vs Sheamus main event on Smackdown. You're trying to make them watch the show not see if a baseball game is on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 16:27:43 GMT -5
I will never understand why wrestlers do not say no to stupid gimmicks. Granted not everyone is going to be booked as a main eventer, but if I were a wrestler, the first thing I would do was nix any idea that involved dancing or comedy. Those rarely ever work (Rikishi is the only one I can think of, and even he was a fat guy in a sumo thong), and once they no longer work for the WWE, that gimmick will pigeonhole their future work. I wish wrestling was formatted differently to give the individual more power over characters, for their own sake. Unfortunately anybody who says no isn't likely to enamor themselves with creative. They're kind of trapped in that sense: either turn down a goofy gimmick and end up off of television for being rebellious or hard to deal with or go with it and as you said, end up being pigeonholed with little room for growth. In that sense they're kind of stuck. They are stuck if they think WWE is the only game in town. I think more talent should realize that is not the case. The biggest game in town? Without question. However, as SEAN CARLESS said, talent can make good money (and potentially more money) touring the indys or Japan or anywhere else wrestling is popular. They can make a name for themselves using their own trademark, their own character, and flesh out a sustainable career in this field without having to whore out to the WWE's creative team. I just don't think enough talent realizes how important their name and character actually is. For a wrestler, that's all they have. They need to protect the hell out of it and avoid doing anything that could potentially hurt that character's earning potential. The WWE is not employing independent contractors like they try to peddle off and somehow get away with. They have the talent by the balls, especially if the talent allows it to happen. The moment Brodus Clay started dancing, he should have known his time was ticking. There is no salvaging that, although I'm sure there are exceptions. It's not the norm. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 16:29:29 GMT -5
Dammit, we should have kept quiet
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 12, 2014 16:30:37 GMT -5
You know what would prevent the midcard from becoming the jobbers? Actually using them for other things besides jobbing, or at the very least, letting them lose competitively rather than in squashes And you know what would prevent the upper midcard/part time main eventers from being just the midcard, giving them actual storylines instead of just beating the midcard guys in nothing matches. Sheamus vs. The Miz or Dolph Ziggler vs. Kane is at least good enough to headline SmackDown. The lost of local jobbers made the lower tier folks the new jobber class. A new guy debuting usual goes through the jobber class then to the lower tier to the gate keepers before fighting the main eventers. Rusev has already beaten half of the midcarders and he's only been there for a couple of months. Storylines would be great but what difference does it make if they still going to be jobbers to the stars? Having angles while avoiding being regular canvasbacks is the goal. And no one wants to see a Miz vs Sheamus main event on Smackdown. You're trying to make them watch the show not see if a baseball game is on. If you need "regular canvasbacks" that badly then call up some of the developmental guys to "pay their dues" a bit before being given a real gimmick with a push. It worked for Cena and Orton. Not everyone needs to debut as a world beater. Let them start from the bottom and prove themselves worthy of getting a bigger push later. |
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Post by angryfan on Jun 12, 2014 16:33:10 GMT -5
Letting Bourne and McIntyre go was a big mistake, but they've also been around long enough that they may have wanted some time to do their own thing anyway. I don't think any of these releases would even count as a minor mistake in the grand scheme of things for WWE. Yeah there were some talented guys that got let go, but on that bloated roster they weren't going anywhere and honestly weren't needed. I understand that people were fans of some of these guys (and gal), but I don't see any of these releases coming back to haunt them in any way. The one they will miss left (or will be leaving) on her own accord. Vickie has been the best heel, in the classic sense, that we've seen in a very long time. She got the kind of heat that no one on the roster can touch. |
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jun 12, 2014 16:36:40 GMT -5
If they're looking to make cuts why in God's name would they keep Lawler? He's beyond useless. His lame jokes hurt the product. It's obvious Cole and JBL are trying to bully him into quitting too.
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Post by mrjl on Jun 12, 2014 16:36:47 GMT -5
Local jobbers would prevent the midcard from becoming the jobbers and the upper midcard/part time main eventers being just the midcard. You know what would prevent the midcard from becoming the jobbers? Actually using them for other things besides jobbing, or at the very least, letting them lose competitively rather than in squashes And you know what would prevent the upper midcard/part time main eventers from being just the midcard, giving them actual storylines instead of just beating the midcard guys in nothing matches. Sheamus vs. The Miz or Dolph Ziggler vs. Kane is at least good enough to headline SmackDown. I think ratings say they aren't. And someone has to lose matches. Honestly, I think squash is a term used to liberally. If a guy gets to set up his finisher and just misses it, I find it hard to say he's been squashed |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 12, 2014 16:37:15 GMT -5
While this isn't a gamechanger for Jarrett's upcoming promotion, it may potentially give him a strong undercard roster of talent.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jun 12, 2014 16:37:20 GMT -5
It's the End Times people!
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Post by Phil Parent on Jun 12, 2014 16:37:23 GMT -5
He wasn't, but he was probably the most dedicated at the gimmick, ever. Ivan was Canadian and had a frickin' hammer & sickle tattooed on his arm. I know, he's from Montreal. He played an Irish stereotype before being Russian, I guess he had it in him to be ethnic. Ironically, he's Italian. Nikita was American and he pretended he was Lithuanian for years... after he retired from wrestling, keeping the accent and pretending he didn't speak english good. It got to a point where he would work fellow wrestlers. He actually learned the language and the culture, and legally changed his name to Nikita Koloff, decades before it would have been a legal issue for him to just keep the gimmick name for work. This guy was third behind The Sheik and the Ultimate Warrior in terms of living the gimmick... but he broke kayfabe eventually, kept the name though. I know for a fact that Ivan learned a few words but otherwise spoke gibberish. The tattoo is something though. |
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Post by papagiorgio on Jun 12, 2014 16:37:26 GMT -5
The IWC must have reminded the WWE that JTG was still employed.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 12, 2014 16:38:21 GMT -5
If they're looking to make cuts why in God's name would they keep Lawler? He's beyond useless. His lame jokes hurt the product. It's obvious Cole and JBL are trying to bully him into quitting too. Lawler's more or less a lifer at this point. Plus they aren't going to fire the guy that made mainstream headlines by suffering a heart attack live on the air. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 16:38:27 GMT -5
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jun 12, 2014 16:39:32 GMT -5
The lost of local jobbers made the lower tier folks the new jobber class. A new guy debuting usual goes through the jobber class then to the lower tier to the gate keepers before fighting the main eventers. Rusev has already beaten half of the midcarders and he's only been there for a couple of months. Storylines would be great but what difference does it make if they still going to be jobbers to the stars? Having angles while avoiding being regular canvasbacks is the goal. And no one wants to see a Miz vs Sheamus main event on Smackdown. You're trying to make them watch the show not see if a baseball game is on. If you need "regular canvasbacks" that badly then call up some of the developmental guys to "pay their dues" a bit before being given a real gimmick with a push. It worked for Cena and Orton. And that's why WWE released most of them today. Because if the only thing you're good for is jobbing, you got no mobility and earning potential. No one was feuding with Dusty Wolfe back in the day. You beat his kind before moving into a mini feud with Koko B Ware or Tito Santana. Orton had a back and forth feud with Hardcore Holly before he won that. Cena lost to Angle, hang around with Mysterio before dropping to Velocity, turning heel, and getting another push. When Umaga debuted, he killed jobbers first before moving up the food chain. He didn't finish off the midcard first like Rusev is doing. |
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Post by Phil Parent on Jun 12, 2014 16:40:41 GMT -5
Well of course Yoshi regressed in the ring, he BARELY EVER f***ING WORKED, HOW COULD HE GET BETTER?!
From the same company who wanted to put a mask on Doug Basham to see if it would improve his body language....
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