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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 12, 2014 16:41:51 GMT -5
Thinking of people who could be in line for the budget cutter... |
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Post by Bruce Mother Wayne on Jun 12, 2014 16:42:03 GMT -5
This is rough news. It means more upward mobility for NXT guys, but it still blows. The frustrating thing is that changing the bottom of the pecking order does nothing to help the rest of the card. Say they canned Randy Orton. But since Randy Orton is such a big star with name value in WWE's eyes, WWE decides to put two upper midcard guys in Orton's spot, like Sheamus and Dolph Ziggler. But WWE feels that Sheamus and Ziggler are big enough names in the midcard that they need two guys each for each spot to replace the star power lost as Sheamus and Ziggler move up the ladder. So Heath Slater, Titus O'Neil, Zack Ryder, and Hunico move up from the bottom of the card to the middle of the card. But now WWE has gaps at the bottom to address, but they also have four guys ready to go at NXT to move to the main roster. So they move up. As it stands, a lot of the main event talent who have been in that position for 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, aren't magically going to get more over for the reason that they're main event talent with value. As such, the top of the card stagnates, with someone rarely breaking the glass ceiling, like Punk or Bryan. The middle of the card becomes jobber fodder for the top guys, but even many of the guys who are now in the middle of the card already have peaked in terms of being world champions (Sheamus, Ziggler, Miz, Del Rio, Kane, Big Show, Mark Henry). And guys who have been around for years who have been JTTS are just as stagnant as the top guys (Kingston, Santino, Cody Rhodes, Ryder). And now the NXT guys get brought up to main TV and if they don't get over immediately, WWE loses interest and they become jobber fodder for the midcard guys. It's harder to move up the card today, but it's easier to be stuck in one spot (*how* many times had JTG been on Raw or Smackdown in a wrestling segment since Cryme Tyme broke up?). |
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jun 12, 2014 16:44:24 GMT -5
Still baffled with DMAC and JTG. Talented men who didn't get a real shake after initial pushes.
JTG got a nice long employment though. I think people forget that time Cryme Tyme was canned. How long was JTG employed total. Close to 9 years?
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Post by RIHT on Jun 12, 2014 16:45:03 GMT -5
Can't believe 3MB is done. They used them so much, too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 16:45:05 GMT -5
"............well. No shit." - R. Lee Ermey. Wowzers. So this is a thing to come home too.  |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 12, 2014 16:45:23 GMT -5
Unfortunately anybody who says no isn't likely to enamor themselves with creative. They're kind of trapped in that sense: either turn down a goofy gimmick and end up off of television for being rebellious or hard to deal with or go with it and as you said, end up being pigeonholed with little room for growth. In that sense they're kind of stuck. They are stuck if they think WWE is the only game in town. I think more talent should realize that is not the case. The biggest game in town? Without question. However, as SEAN CARLESS said, talent can make good money (and potentially more money) touring the indys or Japan or anywhere else wrestling is popular. They can make a name for themselves using their own trademark, their own character, and flesh out a sustainable career in this field without having to whore out to the WWE's creative team. I just don't think enough talent realizes how important their name and character actually is. For a wrestler, that's all they have. They need to protect the hell out of it and avoid doing anything that could potentially hurt that character's earning potential. The WWE is not employing independent contractors like they try to peddle off and somehow get away with. They have the talent by the balls, especially if the talent allows it to happen. The moment Brodus Clay started dancing, he should have known his time was ticking. There is no salvaging that, although I'm sure there are exceptions. It's not the norm. If anything, Brodus dancing kept him around as long as it did, as he doesn't really bring you anything else to the table. He's just not very good. |
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jun 12, 2014 16:46:17 GMT -5
If they're looking to make cuts why in God's name would they keep Lawler? He's beyond useless. His lame jokes hurt the product. It's obvious Cole and JBL are trying to bully him into quitting too. Lawler's more or less a lifer at this point. Plus they aren't going to fire the guy that made mainstream headlines by suffering a heart attack live on the air. All the more reason. Do they want mainstream headlines when Lawler dies on air? Besides, I'm pretty sure the king of Memphis is set for life. |
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Post by mrjl on Jun 12, 2014 16:47:43 GMT -5
The lost of local jobbers made the lower tier folks the new jobber class. A new guy debuting usual goes through the jobber class then to the lower tier to the gate keepers before fighting the main eventers. Rusev has already beaten half of the midcarders and he's only been there for a couple of months. Storylines would be great but what difference does it make if they still going to be jobbers to the stars? Having angles while avoiding being regular canvasbacks is the goal. And no one wants to see a Miz vs Sheamus main event on Smackdown. You're trying to make them watch the show not see if a baseball game is on. If you need "regular canvasbacks" that badly then call up some of the developmental guys to "pay their dues" a bit before being given a real gimmick with a push. It worked for Cena and Orton. Not everyone needs to debut as a world beater. Let them start from the bottom and prove themselves worthy of getting a bigger push later. Orton debuted with victories. He didn't have a long term winning streak, but he won unless you were a top guy or getting a push. And Cena's time as a "canvasback" amounted to two weeks www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/j/john-cena.phpcheck out how often Cena won vs how often he lost |
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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 12, 2014 16:49:20 GMT -5
So what happens with Hornswoggle now?
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Post by sabretooth on Jun 12, 2014 16:49:38 GMT -5
BREAKING NEWS: JTG may or may not have been signed to a Legends contract.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 16:50:14 GMT -5
Mannnnnn. Rough day. I hate to see people lose their jobs, but the Drew McIntyre cut sucks the most. The guy is incredibly talented, and it pains me to see all of that go to waste.
I feel like I should hide until the day is over to make sure my dude Braddox doesn't get the boot.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Jun 12, 2014 16:50:47 GMT -5
Out of all 11 releases, the releases of Camacho and Hawkins came as the bigger surprises to people within WWE. Camacho was very popular within NXT circles and Hawkins had several more years left on his current deal. [/quote] Curt Hawkins' famous 26 year deal. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jun 12, 2014 16:51:50 GMT -5
You know what would prevent the midcard from becoming the jobbers? Actually using them for other things besides jobbing, or at the very least, letting them lose competitively rather than in squashes And you know what would prevent the upper midcard/part time main eventers from being just the midcard, giving them actual storylines instead of just beating the midcard guys in nothing matches. Sheamus vs. The Miz or Dolph Ziggler vs. Kane is at least good enough to headline SmackDown. I think ratings say they aren't. Chicken & the egg situation there. Hopefully, one day, Hunter will be able to reeducate fans to how wrestling is supposed to be presented when he gets the reins, and slowly dispose of the crash TV influence, structure and pacing that not only plagues today's WWE's presentation, but ruins it entirely. WWE needs to be a sports-themed, built and paced entertainment show, not a network sitcom where only the FRIENDS get to sit on the sofa at the coffee shop, and everyone else just exists peripherally. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 16:52:17 GMT -5
So he is. I never knew he was Haku's son until today. Expect news of Haku turning up at Titan Towers and ripping people's arms off till Camacho is rehired. Thing is, this could actually happen. And work. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 12, 2014 16:54:24 GMT -5
This is rough news. It means more upward mobility for NXT guys, but it still blows. The frustrating thing is that changing the bottom of the pecking order does nothing to help the rest of the card. Say they canned Randy Orton. But since Randy Orton is such a big star with name value in WWE's eyes, WWE decides to put two upper midcard guys in Orton's spot, like Sheamus and Dolph Ziggler. But WWE feels that Sheamus and Ziggler are big enough names in the midcard that they need two guys each for each spot to replace the star power lost as Sheamus and Ziggler move up the ladder. So Heath Slater, Titus O'Neil, Zack Ryder, and Hunico move up from the bottom of the card to the middle of the card. But now WWE has gaps at the bottom to address, but they also have four guys ready to go at NXT to move to the main roster. So they move up. As it stands, a lot of the main event talent who have been in that position for 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, aren't magically going to get more over for the reason that they're main event talent with value. As such, the top of the card stagnates, with someone rarely breaking the glass ceiling, like Punk or Bryan. The middle of the card becomes jobber fodder for the top guys, but even many of the guys who are now in the middle of the card already have peaked in terms of being world champions (Sheamus, Ziggler, Miz, Del Rio, Kane, Big Show, Mark Henry). And guys who have been around for years who have been JTTS are just as stagnant as the top guys (Kingston, Santino, Cody Rhodes, Ryder). And now the NXT guys get brought up to main TV and if they don't get over immediately, WWE loses interest and they become jobber fodder for the midcard guys. It's harder to move up the card today, but it's easier to be stuck in one spot (*how* many times had JTG been on Raw or Smackdown in a wrestling segment since Cryme Tyme broke up?). Another thing is, that those guys should at least be moving up the card temporarily when guys at the top are getting injured, suspended, or otherwise taking time off. Instead what they do is stretch out the TV time of the remaining top guys. Say that Cena gets injured. All of those former world champions keep their same spots in the pecking order, but the TV time that would've gone into Cena matches and segments should instead go to the JTTS guys like Kofi, Ryder, etc. And that since those guys are on RAW and not having to pull Superstars duty, that should free up space on Superstars for a Yoshi Tatsu vs. Curt Hawkins match. Or say someone like Cody gets suspended for a Wellness Violation, someone like Ryder should temporarily fill his spot as top midcarder until he comes back, and a guy like Justin Gabriel could in turn fill Ryder's spot as primary jobber, slowly building up their respective credibility so that when Cody returns and the others fall back to their original spots, a win over them ultimately means more. |
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Post by angryfan on Jun 12, 2014 16:57:56 GMT -5
What frustrates me is that, while it's rare for people to come in and just be so charismatic or good in the ring that they get over as a "top guy" from early on, most (I'd say 8 in 10 and that's probably low) never even get the chance to be anything. They're brought in, given a gimmick and a script, told to "do A, B, and C", and then stuck in the lower card when the crowd reacts to them as jobbers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 16:59:07 GMT -5
.......I wanna say the last time someone was released (Big Zeke) I mentioned that WWE's tactic seemed to be (a) let their contract run out, and/or (b) keep them off TV for so long that the audience basically doesn't even notice or care about them, thereby damaging/lessening their value to other companies.
With the exception of Jinder and McIntyre, who were still very active on TV, everyone released today hadn't been seen on traditional WWE TV (not counting NXT/the internet shows) in a loooong time.
That's a sneaky tactic that they just blasted all over the wrestling world today.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 17:00:21 GMT -5
At least JTG is trending on Facebook.
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Post by RIHT on Jun 12, 2014 17:03:21 GMT -5
What a stupid decision. Out of the 8 people released, Drew and Jinder were the only ones actually involved in something. This is why WWE is so f***ing stupid. This was the first time in quite a while that 3MB was doing something interesting with Hornswoggle. After months of doing nothing, they're given a storyline, albeit a dumb one...but it's something. So how do WWE follow up? By releasing half the guys involved. So f***ing ridiculous. I feel like WWE is horribly disorganized. The people that put 3MB in a storyline were definitely not the ones that released them. Stupid. Also, what are Los Matadores going to do? The only interesting part about them (mostly El Torito) was the feud with 3MB and Hornswoggle. WWE might as well release everyone involved in that feud if they're basically going to cripple talent like that. |
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