The Red Endeavouring (Roster Cuts Discussion)

[Joe Neglia]

Dunno why but something tells me we're in for at least one more before the week's over.

[Oh Cry Me a Screwball]

Jun 12, 2014 17:21:13 GMT -5 Joe Neglia said:

Dunno why but something tells me we're in for at least one more before the week's over.

Woo Woo Woo, you know it?

[El Cokehead del Knife Fight]

Awwwwww, no more 3MB.

[King Devitt: What Plants Crave]

Jun 12, 2014 15:08:36 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

I just have to say that I love the title of this thread.

Also, in that first pic Hawkins looks like the Fusion Dance version of Ryder & Ted Jr. and Yoshi looks like he's putting on deodorant.

OMG Yoshi totally does! HAHAHAHAAHAHAH

["Gentleman" AJ Powell]

Jun 12, 2014 17:07:26 GMT -5 @notoriousnd22 said:

We never even got to hear their debut single.

SWERVE! CFO$ is revealed to be 3MB!

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WHY WWE MADE THE CUTS THAT THEY DID TODAY, HOW THE RELEASES WERE RECEIVED BY TALENT, IT LOOKS LIKE MORE TO COME
by Dave Scherer @ 6:01 PM on 6/12/2014

We have heard that Mark Carrano, who works in Talent Relations under Triple H, is the man who made most, if not all, of the calls to the released talent today. It is fair to say that at least some of those let go would have appreciated that the call came from Triple H himself.

There is a lot of talk that the cuts/releases are not done and that there will be cuts on the administrative side of the company as well, perhaps as soon as tomorrow. Potential cuts loom across pretty much all departments.

The word making the rounds is that the current state of The WWE Network, its success or lack thereof, is what is precipitating cuts both in talent as well as potentially in office staff. That wouldn't bode well for state of the Network base when they release the current subscriber numbers at the second quarter earnings conference call.

So it may very well may be that tomorrow continues Black Thursday into Black Friday.

Mike Johnson and I talked about changes that the company could make to the Network to make it appeal to their core base on this week's We Don't Need No Stinkin' Name show for our Elite members, if you are interested in hearing our thoughts on the subject.

[government mule]

Honestly, will anyone really care if Jinder and Drew were replaced in 3MB? Bands change members all the time! Hell, it could be a fun little storyline for Heath and Hornswaggle to hold auditions. Its not like Jinder or Drew said or did anything significant as part of the group.

[Hawk Hart]

[Savage Gambino]

Jun 12, 2014 17:17:01 GMT -5 @boliever said:

It always amazes me when they want to cut salary, they release the guys who make the least.

If you just cut 3 executives salary by 20%. Let's say those execs would be: John Laurinaitis, Triple H, and Stephanie McMahon.

but nah, that makes too much sense.

Firing the guy who has made NXT into a television-worthy brand to keep JTG and Yoshi Tatsu makes no sense at all.

I mean, I mourn for Drew and Jinder. Hell, I weep for Drew and Jinder. But half of these people hadn't been on television in almost a year. Hell, some of them hadn't been on television in well OVER a year. Firing someone who actually makes a difference day in or day out to keep any of them on payroll would be completely asinine, in both a business sense and a logical sense.

[Red Impact]

Jun 12, 2014 17:20:33 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Jun 12, 2014 17:12:41 GMT -5 Red Impact said:

Honestly, I think they just got too big.

They opened pandora's box with the Attitude Era expectation that every show would feature the top guys. But they kept growing their roster. At one point, they decided to split just so they could feature the talent they already paid for, but they later killed that and, I'd wager, didn't cull the roster enough to justify no longer splitting everyone.

Well, when you start running down the list of things the top guys have to do, you have less and less time to feature everyone else, and there's a lot of everyone else, so they either have to retrain audiences not to expect to see all the uppercard every show, or they need to cut the roster size down dramatically. This is especially true when you consider that they're still out there hiring people, and it's not to have a 6 month Florida vacation.

There are ways around it that they never really bothered to do. Use those undercard guys to wrestle the top guys, or condense the uppercard guys' token appearances into a tag match. Do John Cena, Sheamus and Dolph Ziggler vs. Brodus Clay, JTG and Curt Hawkins, and not only do you get three undercard guys on TV, but you've gotten three uppercarders' "token appearances" out of the way


They could've also rotated their undercard as well. Why does someone like Xavier Woods or Zack Ryder have to be jobbed out to hell, when a Yoshi Tatsu could fill in for them every few weeks or so?

Oh, most definitely. They're absolutely terrible at utilizing talent. I think that has something to do with how they grew as well. They're beholden to ratings, so they put PPV matchups on TV regularly. So we get a Wyatts/Shield match as opposed to, say, Wyatts vs. Yoshi, Santino, and Ryder. Your way would also have the benefit of preventing matchups from getting as stale as a french fry that fell under a car seat. But they got too in the habit of doing huge matches every week for ratings.

[slappy]

Dolphin hunters beware ... ex-WWE superstar Brodus Clay has big plans following his release from the company today -- he's headed for Japan to protect dolphins from being captured and killed.

Brodus says he booked a trip to Japan for this summer and plans to protest dolphin hunting. He's been passionate about the cause ever since seeing the Oscar winning documentary, "The Cove".

The Funkasaurus tells us he's bummed about losing his job -- WWE cut a total of 9 wrestlers today -- but he's excited to do some other things -- like acting and writing a book.

Brodus says he's open to any wrestling opportunities he might get in Japan -- but his main focus is "bringing awareness to the cause" of the dolphins.

Guddorakku!

www.tmz.com/2014/06/12/wwe-brodus-clay-released-dolphins-japan-the-cove-protest-hunters/

[chazraps]

Admirable. Good for Brodus.

[angryfan]

Jun 12, 2014 17:30:51 GMT -5 @jinxed said:

WHY WWE MADE THE CUTS THAT THEY DID TODAY, HOW THE RELEASES WERE RECEIVED BY TALENT, IT LOOKS LIKE MORE TO COME
by Dave Scherer @ 6:01 PM on 6/12/2014

We have heard that Mark Carrano, who works in Talent Relations under Triple H, is the man who made most, if not all, of the calls to the released talent today. It is fair to say that at least some of those let go would have appreciated that the call came from Triple H himself.

There is a lot of talk that the cuts/releases are not done and that there will be cuts on the administrative side of the company as well, perhaps as soon as tomorrow. Potential cuts loom across pretty much all departments.

The word making the rounds is that the current state of The WWE Network, its success or lack thereof, is what is precipitating cuts both in talent as well as potentially in office staff. That wouldn't bode well for state of the Network base when they release the current subscriber numbers at the second quarter earnings conference call.

So it may very well may be that tomorrow continues Black Thursday into Black Friday.

Mike Johnson and I talked about changes that the company could make to the Network to make it appeal to their core base on this week's We Don't Need No Stinkin' Name show for our Elite members, if you are interested in hearing our thoughts on the subject.

Psychologically, this makes zero sense. They are not making the money they had hoped, which speaks more to a dissatisfaction, or a lack of connection, with their current product. Firing a dozen people who rarely, if ever, appear on TV, will save some money but it will not change, solve, or even help the current problem.

It'd be like my doctor telling me that I don't get enough fiber in my diet, so I go home and clean the ice cream out of my fridge since it's unhealthy, despite the fact that I don't eat it. If the current product is not drawing the money, and the network is not gaining the viewership, then I start looking at the names appearing on TV the most.

[Jiren]

Some of the talent that was let go could have been tagged together (as Sean Careless said) and beef up a weak tag division. All I can think of is

- Usos
- Rowan/Harper

every other has been split

[Savage Gambino]

Jun 12, 2014 17:16:40 GMT -5 chazraps said:

Dammit, Chaz! I've been listening to this song all week. Now you got me feeling like I jinxed somebody.

[thegame415]

WWE missed the boat with Brodus Clay: Dolphin Ecologist.

[OldDirtyBernie]

Jun 12, 2014 17:35:51 GMT -5 slappy said:

Dolphin hunters beware ... ex-WWE superstar Brodus Clay has big plans following his release from the company today -- he's headed for Japan to protect dolphins from being captured and killed.

Brodus says he booked a trip to Japan for this summer and plans to protest dolphin hunting. He's been passionate about the cause ever since seeing the Oscar winning documentary, "The Cove".

The Funkasaurus tells us he's bummed about losing his job -- WWE cut a total of 9 wrestlers today -- but he's excited to do some other things -- like acting and writing a book.

Brodus says he's open to any wrestling opportunities he might get in Japan -- but his main focus is "bringing awareness to the cause" of the dolphins.

Guddorakku!

www.tmz.com/2014/06/12/wwe-brodus-clay-released-dolphins-japan-the-cove-protest-hunters/

So he'll be on a boat saving dolphins while the Whale Wars boat follows THAT boat protecting Brodus? Bah-dum-tssssss
Sorry, I had to. I'm fat, so I really have no room to talk.




Crap...I just zinged myself.

[Bruce Mother Wayne]

Jun 12, 2014 17:39:08 GMT -5 angryfan said:

If the current product is not drawing the money, and the network is not gaining the viewership, then I start looking at the names appearing on TV the most.

Hopefully people don't call you insane for suggesting this!

[Jiren]

WWE have 7 hours of TV (Not Counting NXT or Total Divas) and yet they couldn't find time to do ANYTHING with alot of the talent they have or just let go.

I'm baffled

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