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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Jun 15, 2014 4:56:49 GMT -5
The first season of Spiderman 67 has aged surprising well and is fun to watch in a nostalgic way. However the other two seasons are just straight up bloody awful to due to obvious reduced budget and how the animators used every cost saving trick in book.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 5:10:06 GMT -5
I know I'm going to catch hell for saying it didn't age well, so let me get my bomb shelter ready... Dragon Ball Z Hear me out, it was awesome early on and i do love the idea of the show, but now I realize you could condense it down to 1/2 the episodes and not miss a thing. The whole Freeza fight went nowhere slowly. The whole series is filler on top of filler on top of filler on top of filler. Dull voice acting and animation, all of which I didn't notice 15 years ago. Please don't hate me, but it's not as good as everyone remembers. I agree to to an extent. Vegeta saga is OK, it's much shorter, the filler goes out of its way to actually develop the characters and the final battle was built up pretty epic, the actual fight was fun to watch to. Namek saga is awful. Granted I always though it was kinda boring but everything pre-Ginyu can be summed up as "Let's fly to point A and narrowly miss villain who's flying to point B who almost fights Villain from point C." Then the Freeza fight is way to f***ing long and always has been. Androids were boring, Cell was awesome. Buu was...Buu. I can still watch some stuff Buu Cell Cooler But at other times i can't figure out how i kept watching still don't get why everyone likes Frieza
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 15, 2014 6:07:03 GMT -5
I know I'm going to catch hell for saying it didn't age well, so let me get my bomb shelter ready... Dragon Ball Z Hear me out, it was awesome early on and i do love the idea of the show, but now I realize you could condense it down to 1/2 the episodes and not miss a thing. The whole Freeza fight went nowhere slowly. The whole series is filler on top of filler on top of filler on top of filler. Dull voice acting and animation, all of which I didn't notice 15 years ago. Please don't hate me, but it's not as good as everyone remembers. Half the episodes? Dude they could condense it even further than that. Just look at TFS......
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Post by Injustice45 on Jun 15, 2014 6:12:59 GMT -5
I know I'm going to catch hell for saying it didn't age well, so let me get my bomb shelter ready... Dragon Ball Z Hear me out, it was awesome early on and i do love the idea of the show, but now I realize you could condense it down to 1/2 the episodes and not miss a thing. The whole Freeza fight went nowhere slowly. The whole series is filler on top of filler on top of filler on top of filler. Dull voice acting and animation, all of which I didn't notice 15 years ago. Please don't hate me, but it's not as good as everyone remembers. There is Dragon Ball Kai, which cuts out a lot of that filler. Plus, Funimation did a great job dubbing the show, unlike their initial effort from 1999-2003 (they did get better as the show went on).
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Post by Glitch on Jun 15, 2014 18:06:09 GMT -5
X-men evolution. Or as I call it "Scarlet Witch's Squash fest." The characters always got on my nerves. and the designs were way too cartoonish.
The only reason I think this show gets a free pass compared to X-men TAS is because there's no nostalgia attached to it, and therefore no disappointment when looking back years later.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 18:07:17 GMT -5
Early Beavis and Butt-Head when the animation was bad and most of the episodes really had barely any story to them.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Jun 15, 2014 20:02:28 GMT -5
I always knew there was something off about Sylvester vs. Speedy Gonzales, and now I know why. Sylvester vs. Speedy wasn't that bad to me. DAFFY vs. Speedy, however... I've been wondering why WB/DFE couldn't use Sylvester? I can understand Daffy being one of Looney Tunes' Big Three characters. I'm guessing that Daffy had to put Speedy over.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Jun 15, 2014 20:07:32 GMT -5
Early Beavis and Butt-Head when the animation was bad and most of the episodes really had barely any story to them. Yeah that was the only good thing to come out of those stupid lawsuits and forced censorship from MTV was that Judge and the writers had to become a lot more satirical (Especially during the music video segments) and the show greatly improved from season 3 onwards.
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Post by Ken: The Hero of WWE on Jun 15, 2014 21:44:17 GMT -5
Early SpongeBob really hold up.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jun 16, 2014 1:00:21 GMT -5
Recess has aged well.
Even today, if I've got 15-20s to spare on the computer before leaving to go somewhere, I'll find myself popping on a Recess episode to kill 10 minutes.
Great series. Well animated, funny and relatable.
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Post by crashmatsbazz on Jun 16, 2014 7:38:37 GMT -5
Thundercats, Ulysses 31, M.A.S.K, He-Man, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Once upon a time... Life, Centurians, Gobots, Ewoks and Mysterious Cities of Gold are all terribly animated and are so slow paced to watch these days. I have actually paid money for boxset's of all these (Apart from Jayce as i can't find it) what a waste of cash!
Meanwhile i loved the Heathcliffe and Friends, this still makes me laugh today and the animation is great.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Jun 16, 2014 8:26:17 GMT -5
Still don't get the hate for the X-men tas animation. I liked how well detailed it was. The dialogue...is kind of hit and miss. Each of the voice actors did their hardest, and it either comes off pretty cool or over the top cheesy.I liked the dialogue spoken Beast, Xavier, and Apocalypse. but then you get the cheesiness. Especially Cyclop's "NOT!" line. I dunno, I just notice how here on FAN, the art seems to be hated more than any other place. It's definitely not just here that it gets hate, but yeah. The animation is definitely the worst part of that show. To me, the art style is ugly, and it's pretty poorly animated. It got even worse toward the end. Doesn't help that, as much as I love Jim Lee, I never liked his X-Men character designs.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jun 16, 2014 8:42:28 GMT -5
As far as the X-Men toons, TAS for me has better story arcs and better voice acting, while Evolution mostly had a more likable cast (except for Spyke) and better art. The Jim Lee/Arthur Adams "ripped muscles with heavy shading" designs looked great in still panels, but they weren't as expressive or didn't move around as fluidly as the streamlined Evo cast. So I like both shows for different reasons.
Stuff I think really holds up: Batman Beyond and most of the DCAU, Sonic SatAM, The Raccoons (obviously), The Critic, Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends, Daria, My Life As A Teenage Robot.
I'll second Celebrity Deathmatch being really dated now. A lot of the jokes were weaker than I thought, or a lot of the times the star they were parodying winds up becoming too far removed from the image they had back then. Like I think they beat up Hanson twice when they were the latest teen idol "scourge", and now they're critically acclaimed songwriters, so it really doesn't hold up.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jun 16, 2014 8:43:07 GMT -5
Mario and Zelda cartoons have not aged that well.
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Post by CMWaters on Jun 16, 2014 8:45:00 GMT -5
Mario and Zelda cartoons have not aged that well. American or Anime?
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jun 16, 2014 8:45:40 GMT -5
The American ones
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 16, 2014 9:00:44 GMT -5
Mario and Zelda cartoons have not aged that well. Well excuuuuuuuuuuse me, Princess! /They screened some episodes at a presentation at AnimeNext here in Somerset, NJ. //Was disappointed that no one got my references to Bert Raccoon whenever Ganon spoke.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 16, 2014 9:02:34 GMT -5
Early Beavis and Butt-Head when the animation was bad and most of the episodes really had barely any story to them. Yeah that was the only good thing to come out of those stupid lawsuits and forced censorship from MTV was that Judge and the writers had to become a lot more satirical (Especially during the music video segments) and the show greatly improved from season 3 onwards. This. B&B is one case where supposedly "neutering" the characters made them better. Pre-fire incident, they could be summed up with their catchphrases at the time: "That would be cool!" "Yeah!" Butt-head's voice got much better later on too.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 16, 2014 9:10:15 GMT -5
Stuff I think really holds up: Batman Beyond and most of the DCAU, Sonic SatAM, The Raccoons (obviously)... Of course I agree with you...but what do you think of the specials? I think those hold up a bit less than the series, especially the first two which were preachy and full of cheesy dialogue (the whole "chocolate pudding" exchange from On Ice, for instance). Lost Star fares a bit better, but has its share of narmy lines, plus Dottie West as Melissa can be jarring...though that can be said for all specials versions of her if you're used to the series characterization (esp. Susan Roman version).
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 16, 2014 11:55:38 GMT -5
Not terribly surprising, but a lot of what was on Kids WB Saturday morning lineup back in the day holds up wonderfully now, namely the DCAU and the Spielberg produced stuff (going back to Tiny Toons and through Animaniacs, Freakazoid, and Pinky and the Brain). Even the Spielberg ones which contain very dated jokes or 90s-centric pop cultural references manage to remain very entertaining.
I still love Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM), though it kind of pains me to look back now and see how they clearly had a budget cut in the animation between Seasons 1 and 2. Still, given another season or two I think its status as one of the better Saturday morning cartoons of the early 90s would be more solidified with more people. Let's not get started on it ending on a cliffhanger (even though we finally know who it was at the end of the last episode in the shadows...). Some of Sonic's catchphrases haven't aged that well, granted, since he was in his 90s "Dude with a 'Tude" phase, but, hey, it gave us "Way past cool!", didn't it?
Love ReBoot and Beast Wars, but yeah, as others have said, season 1 animation for both can be jarring given how CGI was still in its TV infancy. Both improved pretty damn quickly, and ReBoot never having a proper sendoff (AGAIN!) is frustrating as hell.
I've gone back on Netflix to watch the 2003 He-Man series; I'm not far enough in yet to get a great feel for it, but it's fun, nicely designed, and almost feels like a prototype for a lot of the adventure style cartoons that would follow during that era. In that regard some of it feels like it could be fleshed out more, so it might wind up feeling dated compared to other 'toons in its genre that came a couple of years later.
Last one: Mighty Max. Adored this show as a kid, and going back to watch it now a lot of it, shockingly, holds up pretty well. Chalk it at least partly up to the voice cast, which included Rob Paulsen, Tony Jay, and Tim Curry, but the large-scale of it, with adventures happening all over the world in various exotic or sometimes just plain demented locations just makes it a fun watch. There are episodes where, as an adult, it's tough to look past insane abuses of science or history made to appease the Rule of Cool, but...well, it was largely in service to the Rule of Cool. Show rarely skimped on things like truly scary monsters that actually killed people, had its share of emotional episodes, and really felt like an adventure to watch. So, yeah: dated in a handful of ways, but still a very fun watch.
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