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Post by saintpat on Jun 14, 2014 13:55:09 GMT -5
I'm a part time retail worker, he's a multimillionaire who makes his money performing for fans, big difference, quite frankly he owes his fans literally everything, without a fam base he'd still be Phil Brooks, wannabe punk kid, instead of CM Punk famous wrestler. He can't handle the negatives that come from fame? Then I have no sympathy for him. A job is a job, regardless of how much it pays. It's the same societal contract of one party providing a service to the public. So no, there's no difference. Celebrities only owe the fans when they are on the job - they perform, we watch, they get paid, everybody goes home happy, just the same as you only owe your customers when you are on the job. Beyond that, celebrities have every right to behave however they want when approached by a member of the public on their downtime. I'm not gonna bust someone's balls for acting like a dick to everybody who wants a piece of him, whether it's Punk, Cena, Ben Affleck, Miley Cirus, or you. I have no real issue with how Punk carries himself, but I do think there are enough stories out there to conclude that he's a dick. Good for him. I have seen other celebrities in person react better than he seems to -- athletes, models, actors, whatever. I make a distinction between a fan stopping, or approaching, someone at dinner or at an airport or something like that -- if he or she is at dinner, let them eat, if they're in an airport they probably have a flight to catch -- and seeing them on the street or in a store. And guess what, regular people are often inconvenienced sometimes. I had a bank teller trying to chat me up the other day, someone at a store asking how my father is doing (don't really know the guy but he recognized my name on my card when I paid and I'm a "junior"), a barber who wanted to talk sports (and taking pauses from cutting to make his points). So what? It's life. Beats the alternative.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 13:55:15 GMT -5
I think Punk would respond well depending on how fans approach him. Maynard James Keenan of Tool/A Perfect Circle is said to have a very stand offish, insulting, and dry sense of humor. But if you can deal with his style of humor and attitude he responds better to you. Maybe that's how Punk is? A lot of people probably can't handle his type of humor or attitude, so they sulk away instead of calling him out on it. People have described me in the same way Punk and Maynard have been described yet if someone talks to me that I do not know on the street for whatever reason, I don't tend to respond with "what do you want, douchebag?". I am the most offensive person in the world to people I like nevermind those I dislike but I am always polite on first meetings. If Punk is not capable of that, taking into account the volumes of people he must meet, he is still a prat.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 14, 2014 14:06:22 GMT -5
Performers owe you a good performance.
That's it.
Whatever you plunk down $ to see them do, they owe you that.
End of transaction.
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Post by RAW IS GWAR on Jun 14, 2014 14:19:10 GMT -5
I hope someday that I get to run into him. I'll be all like "PEPSI SUCKS YOU UNDERSIZED COMIC BOOK NERD GO HUMP YOUR 16 YEAR OLD RINGRAT YOU HOMO... CAN I HAVE YOUR AUTOGRAPH?"
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jun 14, 2014 14:23:52 GMT -5
I worked for the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame for a few years. During that time I did have to go with different athletes from different events scheduled for the week. I saw on more than one occasion where an athletes would be in a hurry to get somewhere and fans would try to call them out. No matter how nice they tried to be, most times the fan would call that person a jerk (or worse). No matter how many times you try and tell them that the athlete was contractually obligated to get somewhere, they didn't care.
I saw one athlete had to leave a meet and greet autograph session because of a family emergency. A lady tried to catch him on the way out and he quickly said "Can't talk". She tried to follow him out of the door where we blocked her. We told her that he couldn't sign and that he had an unexpected emergency and had to leave. We apologized but told her she was welcomed to stay and enjoy the rest of the evening. No harm no foul.
The next day she sent a letter to our facebook page and the newspaper talking about how the athlete was a jerk and about how we devastated her kids because they waited for months to meet their favorite player. Painted us as total jerks.
I've seen people try and follow guys into bathrooms, run up to them as they get into their cars, and have seen many of them not get a chance to eat because people keep interrupting them. Everything they do from going to pay for gas, checking into a hotel or walking down the street is filled with people non-stop yelling their name, asking for an autograph or something.
Not saying that anyone has the right to be a dick to anyone, but sometimes these guys aren't trying to be dicks, they are simply trying to get from point A to point B and don't have time for small talk. Other times you are probably the 15th person who yelled their name and they are simply worn out.
If anyone gets a chance I highly recommend volunteering to work an event with famous athletes and/or wrestlers. It really changes your whole perception of that life.
Best way I can describe it is think about it your favorite TV show is on. Every time you sit down, the moment you sit down to watch it, your girlfriend/wife/kid/mom asks you to get something, so just as you settle into the seat you have to get up to do something else. Right when you sit back down they ask again. Imagine this continuing during the entire show you are trying to watch. That is about as close as what its like that I can describe.
Again, not saying Punk was right or that the OP took it too far. Just wanted to add a little perspective from the other side.
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Post by abjordans on Jun 14, 2014 14:24:02 GMT -5
What did you expect from your question really? I would have just said "massive fan of your work, have a nice day", if it got acknowledged or not I wouldn't repeat it. I expected him to say "yeah it's us" and keep walking or just give a nod. I find it funny that every time someone tries to make it sound like the OP did something crazy, he responds with the most logical answer ever.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jun 14, 2014 14:30:33 GMT -5
Should've told him he looks good in a Kings jersey. Though I guess your story would have bruises to go with it.
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Post by sybaku on Jun 14, 2014 14:34:04 GMT -5
I expected him to say "yeah it's us" and keep walking or just give a nod. I find it funny that every time someone tries to make it sound like the OP did something crazy, he responds with the most logical answer ever. Seriously, if he didn't want to be bothered he could have done exactly as OP suggested.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 14, 2014 14:38:36 GMT -5
I don't really understand the whole autograph thing anyway. (OP is fine). They're just people. If anyone is celeb worshiping, it's those with weird sense of entitlement.
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Post by RAW IS GWAR on Jun 14, 2014 14:41:34 GMT -5
I don't really understand the whole autograph thing anyway. (OP is fine). They're just people. If anyone is celeb worshiping, it's those with weird sense of entitlement. I got an autograph and a picture with one of my favorite musicians then he bought me a beer and we talked for awhile about music and politics... that's a real mofo not some dude who can't even say "hey man"
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Post by khali on Jun 14, 2014 14:55:20 GMT -5
I worked for the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame for a few years. During that time I did have to go with different athletes from different events scheduled for the week. I saw on more than one occasion where an athletes would be in a hurry to get somewhere and fans would try to call them out. No matter how nice they tried to be, most times the fan would call that person a jerk (or worse). No matter how many times you try and tell them that the athlete was contractually obligated to get somewhere, they didn't care. I saw one athlete had to leave a meet and greet autograph session because of a family emergency. A lady tried to catch him on the way out and he quickly said "Can't talk". She tried to follow him out of the door where we blocked her. We told her that he couldn't sign and that he had an unexpected emergency and had to leave. We apologized but told her she was welcomed to stay and enjoy the rest of the evening. No harm no foul. The next day she sent a letter to our facebook page and the newspaper talking about how the athlete was a jerk and about how we devastated her kids because they waited for months to meet their favorite player. Painted us as total jerks. I've seen people try and follow guys into bathrooms, run up to them as they get into their cars, and have seen many of them not get a chance to eat because people keep interrupting them. Everything they do from going to pay for gas, checking into a hotel or walking down the street is filled with people non-stop yelling their name, asking for an autograph or something. Not saying that anyone has the right to be a dick to anyone, but sometimes these guys aren't trying to be dicks, they are simply trying to get from point A to point B and don't have time for small talk. Other times you are probably the 15th person who yelled their name and they are simply worn out. If anyone gets a chance I highly recommend volunteering to work an event with famous athletes and/or wrestlers. It really changes your whole perception of that life. Best way I can describe it is think about it your favorite TV show is on. Every time you sit down, the moment you sit down to watch it, your girlfriend/wife/kid/mom asks you to get something, so just as you settle into the seat you have to get up to do something else. Right when you sit back down they ask again. Imagine this continuing during the entire show you are trying to watch. That is about as close as what its like that I can describe. Again, not saying Punk was right or that the OP took it too far. Just wanted to add a little perspective from the other side. This is the post that everyone needs to read. There is another side to the story, and I think you sum it up well. One thing I can add is that my father worked at airport for thirty some years and saw celebrities getting approached all the time. It didn't matter what they were doing. Whether they were running off to get somewhere, trying to get something to eat or whatever, people were always going after them, some time in groups. I used to ride the bus in college with a local newscaster. People would chew his ear off the whole ride and tell him stories they should cover on the news. As you kind of said, being interrupted when you're trying to do something can get annoying. It probably gets really annoying if it happens every time you leave the house! and multiple times.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Jun 14, 2014 15:00:51 GMT -5
One summer I worked as an usher for the New Hampshire Motor Speedway and I was one of many selected after the race to escort Dale Earnhardt Jr. out of the place. At one point a lady came up to him quickly, looking for an autograph, he took her sharpie, noticed the cap was still on and tossed the pen, all without stopping his forward momentum. It was one of the douchiest, yet greatest things I have ever witnessed. If only the poor lady had taken the cap off; Dale was in a hurry to GTFO of there.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jun 14, 2014 15:19:23 GMT -5
There's a a big difference between signing 15 autographs, posing for a dozen photos and having a 20-minute conversation and simply acknowledging a fan and saying "Hey, what's up?"
Punk owes nobody anything outside of the ring as a wrestler. As a person, he owes some common courtesy. Pretty lame from him.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 14, 2014 15:26:15 GMT -5
I just want to go up to be like, "Oh my god sir, I just love your work. You and Juilo Dinero were the best Flock Raven ever had! What was your favorite TNA moment?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 15:34:59 GMT -5
"LOOK EVERYONE ITS CM PUNK! HE'S A PRO WRESTLER!"
Punk: "Dude, stop f***ing following me"
"CM PUNK TOLD ME TO STOP f***ING FOLLOWING HIM EVERYONE! HE'S A PRO WRESTLER!"
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 14, 2014 15:35:50 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, someone you're a fan of going above&beyond is awesome. Celebrities that do that deserve accolades, no question.
They just don't OWE fans that.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jun 14, 2014 15:50:12 GMT -5
There's a a big difference between signing 15 autographs, posing for a dozen photos and having a 20-minute conversation and simply acknowledging a fan and saying "Hey, what's up?" Punk owes nobody anything outside of the ring as a wrestler. As a person, he owes some common courtesy. Pretty lame from him. I agree and there is a big difference. But how do you know that the OP was the first guy to say something to him? For all we know he the OP could have been the 20th person to call him out since he had been gone and I can almost guarantee that if that was the case that not all of the other 14 people weren't as level headed or as nice as the OP were.
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Post by RAW IS GWAR on Jun 14, 2014 16:07:12 GMT -5
There's a a big difference between signing 15 autographs, posing for a dozen photos and having a 20-minute conversation and simply acknowledging a fan and saying "Hey, what's up?" Punk owes nobody anything outside of the ring as a wrestler. As a person, he owes some common courtesy. Pretty lame from him. I agree and there is a big difference. But how do you know that the OP was the first guy to say something to him? For all we know he the OP could have been the 20th person to call him out since he had been gone and I can almost guarantee that if that was the case that not all of the other 14 people weren't as level headed or as nice as the OP were. Every argument in favor of Punk here have been what ifs or maybes. The dude was a jerk plain and simple.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jun 14, 2014 16:25:27 GMT -5
I agree and there is a big difference. But how do you know that the OP was the first guy to say something to him? For all we know he the OP could have been the 20th person to call him out since he had been gone and I can almost guarantee that if that was the case that not all of the other 14 people weren't as level headed or as nice as the OP were. Every argument in favor of Punk here have been what ifs or maybes. The dude was a jerk plain and simple. I don't see how he was that much of a jerk. He didn't curse him out or anything, just said "What do you" want and "Not today". I don't call that being a jerk. I just see that as someone having personal time with a friend that doesn't have the time or want to be messed with on his personal time. I was in a gas station in Baton Rouge after a WCW house show with a buddy and Brian Knobbs was right behind us in line. My buddy saw him and said "Hey, good match tonight man". Knobbs replied with "Hey F**K you, turn the F**K around, if I wanted to F**n talk to you I would have opened my F**N mouth. Shut the "f**k up and leave me the "F**K alone." Ironically, Knobbs was riding with Sting. My buddy said the same thing to Sting. who was pumping gas right next to us. Sting just said "Thanks man, tried my best" and shook our hand before getting in the car. Just seemed odd since they both seemed like polar opposites riding together. edit: To me THAT is being a jerk, Punk probably didn't handle it the best way, but I still don't call it being a jerk.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 16:29:21 GMT -5
Didn't get the guy get married yesterday? People who are about to get married in a few hours only want to talk to their close friends, family, and the minister.
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