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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 17, 2014 8:19:48 GMT -5
When Wight jumped from WCW, seems like it could've been a bigger deal; but wasn't the pinfall loss to Austin his first actual match? If not, it was close. He went immediately from a GIANT to just another guy, who happened to be huge.
Plus, not even ppv, just a Raw.
Not suggesting Show shoulda went over, just don't know why you'd book the match that quick in the 1st place, AND have Show eat a pin.
For all Vinces talk bout WCW not knowing how to book a giant, they did their best to normalize Show right outta the gate, making his initial runs lackluster.
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Post by baerrtt on Jun 17, 2014 8:32:00 GMT -5
According to Wight Vince's original plan was for him to go over Steve with the two matching up again come Wrestlemania 2000/16. Austin, when informed of this, more or less said that as far as he was concerned Paul had to prove himself thoroughly in the WWF first before he got that honour (something incidentally Show agreed with).
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Post by Some Guy on Jun 17, 2014 8:41:39 GMT -5
Two words:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 9:00:58 GMT -5
This should always be brought up whenever the Austin/Lesnar walkout is mentioned.
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Post by -Lithium- on Jun 17, 2014 9:03:47 GMT -5
Because it was within the year or so where Austin overcame ridiculous odds like Cena...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 9:47:53 GMT -5
They didn't have much patience in 1998-99. This is the same company that ended Survivor Series 98 with Austin beating up Rock and celebrating after Rock had just turned heel and won the title. Nowadays if a babyface gets a measure of revenge on a heel within a month or two a lot of people think it's too soon. They did this on the same night of the heel turn. The newly turned heel couldn't even stand tall that one night. This should always be brought up whenever the Austin/Lesnar walkout is mentioned. For real. And Austin/Show immediately after Show's jump from WCW was probably an ever bigger money match than a past his prime Austin v a still relatively green and unover Lesnar was in June 2002. Someone should ask Austin his opinion on this the next time he's taking questions on his podcast. Was it okay to give away the match on TV with no build in this case because he was the one booked to win?
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jun 17, 2014 10:25:16 GMT -5
It's amazing that neither WWE or WCW has ever really been able to book him well. Honestly I think WCW got closest off the bat with the Dungeon of Doom.
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Post by nickcave on Jun 17, 2014 10:31:23 GMT -5
I mean the guy went over Hulk Hogan for the title in his very first match (even if it was a DQ win). I think initially WCW booked him way better.
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Post by kinginthenorth on Jun 17, 2014 10:33:33 GMT -5
Someone should ask Austin his opinion on this the next time he's taking questions on his podcast. Was it okay to give away the match on TV with no build in this case because he was the one booked to win? Well, shit, son, I dunno whether to shit or wind my watch! It's just a couple of cats talkin' bout pro wrestlin'! How 'bout a swig of beer for the workin' man?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jun 17, 2014 10:38:04 GMT -5
Austin gets way to much of a pass on politicking, and I like the guy.
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Post by Sam Punk on Jun 17, 2014 11:16:30 GMT -5
I still think it was a mistake. As you said, there was no need to do the match so soon. They could have built that thing up for months and drawn a big number for a ppv. Plus him losing off the bat, even if it wasn't a clean loss, severely hurt the momentum he gained from the jump.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jun 17, 2014 11:25:07 GMT -5
I also think that because of the locker room rallying cry (Us vs Them, They're trying to put us out of business), there was a thought that anybody brought over couldn't be made to look to good right away because it would 1. Make the locker room upset 2. Make WCW look better. I can't think of a single person(I'm sure I'm wrong), that was a WCW guy that wasn't depushed pretty soon after their debut.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 17, 2014 11:27:23 GMT -5
Keep in mind that after that match Big Show also did nothing right for months on end. He lost to Foley at WM by DQ, though there Foley had to end up as the ref for the main event. Also lost to Foley in a street fight at Backlash. I think Wight is the best case of WWE bringing guys in and making them "pay dues" not exactly being a great business model. The whole wonder and uniqueness of a giant was gone by 1998 anyway, since someone like Andre was used as a special attraction to stay fresh while Giant/Show was on TV every week.
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Post by Sparvid on Jun 17, 2014 11:28:28 GMT -5
They didn't have much patience in 1998-99. This is the same company that ended Survivor Series 98 with Austin beating up Rock and celebrating after Rock had just turned heel and won the title. Nowadays if a babyface gets a measure of revenge on a heel within a month or two a lot of people think it's too soon. They did this on the same night of the heel turn. The newly turned heel couldn't even stand tall that one night. And instead of making sure they were separated until the big money match at Mania, they had a title match (ending in a DQ) the very next night on Raw.
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Post by kinginthenorth on Jun 17, 2014 11:38:02 GMT -5
With some of the decisions made during the time, it really feels like the Attitude Era got by on blind luck sometimes.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 17, 2014 13:13:58 GMT -5
I also think that because of the locker room rallying cry (Us vs Them, They're trying to put us out of business), there was a thought that anybody brought over couldn't be made to look to good right away because it would 1. Make the locker room upset 2. Make WCW look better. I can't think of a single person(I'm sure I'm wrong), that was a WCW guy that wasn't depushed pretty soon after their debut. Pretty much exactly this. I don't think this is even down to Austin, I think this was a WWF call. Look at how the WCW guys, many of them hot talents - in Benoit's case the world f***ing champion - lost in their DEBUT MATCHES. They may have got great runs down the line, but at that point in time, the WWF was still afraid of WCW. And even f***ing stupider, even once they beat WCW and OWNED THEM they STILL felt the need to bury all their guys in the InVasion.
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Post by thegame415 on Jun 17, 2014 13:44:17 GMT -5
I don't know if he was exactly fed to him. He hit him with a chair 5 times, gave him a stunner and there was a special ref. Current booking would just have a finisher and 1,2,3.
However, I think they pulled the trigger too early on having the match, period. The problem with that era is stars had to be on every show, PPV, etc. Big Show would've been better as a "special attraction". Don't have him wrestle on Raw's for a while, save him for PPV's. Build him up and if he's over enough, have him take the title from Austin at SummerSlam. If he's floundering, have him lose to The Rock at SummerSlam.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 13:46:14 GMT -5
meh, he was stale from day one
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jun 17, 2014 14:30:47 GMT -5
meh, he was stale from day one Yeah, a 7 foot plus athletic big man who can do dropkicks and actually talk on the stick somewhat is everyday stuff.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jun 17, 2014 14:49:35 GMT -5
meh, he was stale from day one I'm certainly not a fan of the modern-day Big Show, but this claim is nonsense. Big Show questionably jobbing in 1999 is a symptom of how he was booked: as a heel as a member of the Corporation, then as a face against the Corporation, then as a heel as a member of the Unholy Alliance, then as a face against the Big Boss Man (and the Rock and Triple H), then as a heel working with Shane McMahon. That was in his FIRST YEAR with the WWF.
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