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Post by kevin on Sept 26, 2014 18:06:24 GMT -5
I just want to state I am completely against Pitchers winning the MVP. They have the Cy Young with already has the same purpose and frankly is more prestigious. To have them win MVP as well is absurd, unless they are going to start have position players win the Cy Young every now and then.
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 26, 2014 18:13:36 GMT -5
The Reds have signed general manager Walt Jocketty to a long-term extension.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Sept 26, 2014 22:42:57 GMT -5
I don't get to see much of the NL West, so my mind is blown, Oliver Perez is still in the major leagues.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Sept 26, 2014 23:05:47 GMT -5
Why can't a pitcher win MVP? If you look at the stats, it's obvious Kershaw was most valuable to his team than any of the other contenders. The CY is for the BEST PITCHER, much like how the Hank Aaron award is for the BEST HITTER. If a pitcher is extremely valuable, then he should absolutely be considered for MVP.
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Post by kevin on Sept 27, 2014 8:52:47 GMT -5
Why can't a pitcher win MVP? If you look at the stats, it's obvious Kershaw was most valuable to his team than any of the other contenders. The CY is for the BEST PITCHER, much like how the Hank Aaron award is for the BEST HITTER. If a pitcher is extremely valuable, then he should absolutely be considered for MVP. The main reason is it is a terrible idea someone who never bats won the 2011 MVP in the Al and it was a disgrace and something the voters will never live down. You have to hope that people have learned from that mistake which even then most people knew was a horrendous idea. Look at Kershaw's stats only 27 games played! 5 runs 11 hits 0 homeruns and a .175 batting average. Let someone who deserves it win MVP not a pitcher.
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Post by darbus alan on Sept 27, 2014 11:48:40 GMT -5
I just want to state I am completely against Pitchers winning the MVP. They have the Cy Young with already has the same purpose and frankly is more prestigious. To have them win MVP as well is absurd, unless they are going to start have position players win the Cy Young every now and then. I usually agree that a position player should win the MVP. I didn't like it when Verlander won it. But in Kershaw's case, I'll make an exception. Mainly because I can't think of anyone else in the NL who even came close to being as vital a player for his team as Kershaw was for the Dodgers. I guess you can make an argument for Andrew McCutchen, but that's about it. As an individual player, Giancarlo Stanton would turn some heads but the Marlins weren't even close to competing.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 27, 2014 12:17:06 GMT -5
With the introduction of the Aaron award that gives both the batters and pitchers' their own end of season awards specific to them.
I would say before the Aaron award, no, pitchers shouldn't be getting MVPs just because there was nothing for the best offensive player in baseball. Now, there's no reason they shouldn't be able to get it whatsoever. If Kershaw is the most valuable player in the NL this year, (and to me he is)then he should absolutely be eligible.
I mean yes Kershaw is having a historic "raw numbers" season. I like to look at stats vs. league averages and compare differences though. Similar to stats like ERA+. With offense down this year he's imo having a top 50 all time season..nothing like Pedro in 2000 or mid 90s Maddux. Those were just ridiculous seasons.
You could make a case I imagine for Stanton or maybe Cutch but this year gotta go with Kershaw. Personally I'd like for the MVP to go to the actual MVP of the league and not "best offensive season using the pre sabre stats". Like in 2007 when Rollins got it or back to 95 when it was Larkin. Neither had close to the best numbers but got the awards anyway.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Sept 27, 2014 13:47:18 GMT -5
Why can't a pitcher win MVP? If you look at the stats, it's obvious Kershaw was most valuable to his team than any of the other contenders. The CY is for the BEST PITCHER, much like how the Hank Aaron award is for the BEST HITTER. If a pitcher is extremely valuable, then he should absolutely be considered for MVP. The main reason is it is a terrible idea someone who never bats won the 2011 MVP in the Al and it was a disgrace and something the voters will never live down. You have to hope that people have learned from that mistake which even then most people knew was a horrendous idea. Look at Kershaw's stats only 27 games played! 5 runs 11 hits 0 homeruns and a .175 batting average. Let someone who deserves it win MVP not a pitcher. You're kidding, right? You're actually bringing a superstar pitcher's BATTING stats into a discussion about his candidacy? Most years, I'd rather give a deserving offensive player the MVP over a pitcher, since they DO play more. Verlander shouldn't have won it that one year. However, this year there's no question that Kershaw is in a class of his own as a PLAYER and not just a pitcher. Who else is gonna win it? Stanton or Lucroy, players on non-playoff teams? Stanton's team had little chance, while Lucroy's took a monumental nosedive. McCutchen? Possibly, but you can't tell me that his season has been more important to his team's success than Kershaw's has to his. If anything, Josh Harrison is the Pirates' MVP this year, and he's not even in the running as a Top 5 MVP candidate.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Sept 27, 2014 14:22:43 GMT -5
I've hated the Yankees since '96. That year, they beat my Braves in the World Series. As an 11 year old Braves fan, that crushed me. Since then, when everyone says how they hated when the Yankees became good again, I always think, "Please. I hated them before hating them was cool."
That being said, I always had respect for Jeter. You never heard a bad thing about him his entire playing career. During a time when steroids and performance enhancing drugs were big in baseball, he kept doing what he did best.
With that being said,
Thank you, Derek Jeter.
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Post by triplethreatmark on Sept 27, 2014 16:19:20 GMT -5
I don't follow baseball much anymore, but I will say this. Some of your people are asking for the destruction of a major world city if you want the Dodgers to win the WS. The repercussions would be enormous; the city would burn down to the ground. If you're going to root for a So Cal team, root for the Angels. That way, there's still a Los Angeles around in November.
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 27, 2014 19:43:29 GMT -5
Tomorrow is the last Cubs game on WGN America
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Post by domrep on Sept 27, 2014 23:14:35 GMT -5
Gotta be rough to be a Pirates or Royals fan tonight. Had an opportunity to tie for the division lead with 1 day of baseball to go.
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 27, 2014 23:27:52 GMT -5
It be weird not to see any Cubs games next year
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Post by Steveweiser on Sept 28, 2014 3:00:48 GMT -5
There could be THREE "Game 163"'s on Monday, if...
*Royals win and Tigers lose (AL Central) *Mariners win and A's lose (AL Wild Card) *Pirates win and Cardinals lose (NL Central)
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 28, 2014 4:23:32 GMT -5
If Oakland chokes this away, Billy Beane HAS to be fired, right? Hell, I'd even argue a first round exit might do the trick.
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Post by khali on Sept 28, 2014 9:29:56 GMT -5
Gerrit Cole will start for the Pirates today in their last chance for the division. Not saving him for the wild card better not turn out to be a big mistake . . . .
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Post by Sparkybob on Sept 28, 2014 10:02:48 GMT -5
If Oakland chokes this away, Billy Beane HAS to be fired, right? Hell, I'd even argue a first round exit might do the trick. Well he's part owner of the team which will make that very uncomfortable for everyone involved.
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Post by darbus alan on Sept 28, 2014 10:10:35 GMT -5
Billy Martin is bulletproof. They made a movie about him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 10:34:00 GMT -5
Billy Martin is bulletproof. They made a movie about him. Beane, yes. Martin...um...yeah...
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Post by StuntGranny® on Sept 28, 2014 10:40:04 GMT -5
Braves interim GM John Hart says he will meet with Fredi Gonzalez Monday and "Thinks he deserves another year."
I... I don't think I want to be a Braves fan anymore. What a bunch of f***ing idiots that are running that organization.
Ted Turner! We need you now more than ever!
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