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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 23:05:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I knew the Russo thing was going to be a problem with Muta and Wrestle-1. Those comments about not wanting to see Japanese wrestlers were made when Muta was still in WCW in 2000. I guess being a racist dickhead can come back to haunt you, who knew? I remember there was one show that had the Sam Shaw/Mr. Anderson home invasion thingy, and there was a lot of bad stuff on the show, and the only good thing on the show was the Sanada vignette, and it was almost like someone completely different thought up the Sanada vignette because of how different it was from the rest of the show. In regards to Russo being there, the fact that it has to be hidden really shows how bad Russo is in wrestling. One of the things I hate is when people say that Russo and Jim Cornette on are different ends of the wrestling spectrum, when that couldn't be further from the truth. Jim Cornette is at the more conservative end, no doubt, but Russo is off in his own world that it's an insult to compare him to Cornette, or anyone else for that matter. It also shows why I think if TNA is still for sale, Spike should renew it, only if they can get TNA from Dixie and Panda Energy. They seem to be doing well with Bellator under their leadership (along with Viacom of course) and if Spike can convince Viacom to take over TNA Wrestling, they might at least be able to go further with it. With Dixie Carter being there hiring people like Vince Russo, TNA is dead in the water until someone else can fix the ship. And I think a Spike TV takeover with Viacom may help. To bring up Bellator again, they did make sure to put the former Strike Force head in charge of Bellator, so if they were to acquire TNA, they would probably do something similar by putting a wrestling guy in the driver's seat there. In my mind I'm thinking they'd be better off giving Jarrett a chance with GFW, but even that gives me pause because TNA was Jarrett's at one point too. But to me it feels like if Spike were to say "we'll do wrestling on our own then" and started a brand new thing from the ground up they'd be just as good. Give it a relatively strong promotion to start, promise new faces, top talent, that they're a true alternative and even if all it is, is a good, not great wrestling show it just doesn't feel like it would be hard to build something new up to TNA's level. You see all the terrible pictures of barely attended live events when they feature some of wrestling's biggest stars right now, like how strong is TNA's brand? What make up their ratings? Guys who will watch wrestling on Thursday in spite of their better judgment (us) or die hard TNA fans? The Russo thing is hilarious but it was an interesting experiment to test whether our criticism of Vince Russo is blind prejudice or not, and it isn't. Russo's terrible at what he's made a living at for 20 years. Any wrestling company would do a 0.9- 1.1 in that timeslot. There are enough wrestling fans out there who will just tune in out of boredom. ROH would do well given the same opportunity The only thing TNA has in its favour is the production qualities. They look for more professional than ROH, yet have really no hope in hell of out drawing them for house shows.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 20, 2014 23:09:58 GMT -5
Vince Russo is not a cancer, you can overcome cancer, Russo is AIDS. Jeff Jarrett is happy, they have a working relationship with the number one company in japan NJPW, there's no way wrestle 1 is gonna be in business with tna after being lied to, so Double J is gonna have another Japanese company as a partner, now when they drop tna, spike is gonna need new content, guess who steps in? Wonder how much more money Bob Carter is willing to lose?
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 20, 2014 23:15:17 GMT -5
If this is true TNA has to be the dumbest group of people to run a wrestling company. So...when does GFW launch? I'd laugh if Mike Tenay also gets the announcing job for GFW (if TNA folds) too. But really, if Spike still wants wrestling, without the headache of Dixie, they'll just pick up Double J's promotion. This is REALLY lining up perfectly for GFW. Yeah it could be. It depends on what the roster looks like once it done. There could be a lot of current TNA guys considering the jump I'm sure. If GFW pays more than yeah. GFW already has a partnership with NJPW and AAA. There is potential. My worry is Russo is a Jarrett friend over the years but I hope as a business man he realized he not worth it. There is a good pool of free agents out there. TNA really isn't in a position to be messing around like this but they are. GFW could be the group to put them down really.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 20, 2014 23:24:52 GMT -5
Their fans don't like him and used to chant 'Fire Russo!' Spike reportedly doesn't like him. Their partners at Wrestle-1 in Japan are said to be concerned about him due to perceived racists comments. But you know who does like him? Dixie Carter. It's kind of frustrating.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Jul 20, 2014 23:28:15 GMT -5
This is absolutely ****ing hilarious. I really just can't say anything else besides VINTAGE TNA!
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 20, 2014 23:35:50 GMT -5
I love that everyone in TNA tried to tell everyone that Russo has very little power and is beneath others on creative. If you are going to bring him back and important people will hate it, why do it just to keep him doing little? At least be honest about it because you look like idiots otherwise when stuff like this comes out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 23:43:21 GMT -5
I love that everyone in TNA tried to tell everyone that Russo has very little power and is beneath others on creative. If you are going to bring him back and important people will hate it, why do it just to keep him doing little? At least be honest about it because you look like idiots otherwise when stuff like this comes out. The product has clearly changed in the last few months. He probably has more creative power than they are letting on. Like I said earlier, you can just tell when Russo is involved. Menagerie is pretty much The Oddities from 98, and TNA has only done battle royals, that turn into singles matches when Russo is there. Russo (to his credit) gives comedy a shot when he's running things. He has been praising Rockstar Spud for months, and at the same time, he's been getting tons of TV time. I personally like Spud, but it's a clear Russo thing to give a comedy guy more time than a main event story line
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 20, 2014 23:46:32 GMT -5
I love that everyone in TNA tried to tell everyone that Russo has very little power and is beneath others on creative. If you are going to bring him back and important people will hate it, why do it just to keep him doing little? At least be honest about it because you look like idiots otherwise when stuff like this comes out. The product has clearly changed in the last few months. He probably has more creative power than they are letting on. Like I said earlier, you can just tell when Russo is involved. Menagerie is pretty much The Oddities from 98, and TNA has only done battle royals, that turn into singles matches when Russo is there. Russo (to his credit) gives comedy a shot when he's running things. He has been praising Rockstar Spud for months, and at the same time, he's been getting tons of TV time. I personally like Spud, but it's a clear Russo thing to give a comedy guy more time than a main event story line I am indifferent with Russo. I love Spud and I want him to get more time. At the same time, his storytelling can annoy me. I just want TNA to be open about this. People knew he has been around and as you said, he has more power than they are letting on. If everyone thinks he is aboard and you admit it, do not try to lie about it. Spike and Wrestle-1 can be annoyed with this, but they might be more annoyed if TNA is actively lying about his role and that is what worries me as someone who wants TNA to survive.
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Post by Orange on Jul 20, 2014 23:57:34 GMT -5
That really sucks, but if Spike doesn't renew their contract because of this I don't think anybody could blame Spike. If they truly hold such disdain for him and TNA hired him back knowing that, that's akin to parents telling their kid not to throw a party while they're out of town and he does it anyway. It's blatant disregard bordering on intentional dickery towards Spike.
Damn, TNA.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 21, 2014 0:37:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I knew the Russo thing was going to be a problem with Muta and Wrestle-1. Those comments about not wanting to see Japanese wrestlers were made when Muta was still in WCW in 2000. I guess being a racist dickhead can come back to haunt you, who knew? I remember there was one show that had the Sam Shaw/Mr. Anderson home invasion thingy, and there was a lot of bad stuff on the show, and the only good thing on the show was the Sanada vignette, and it was almost like someone completely different thought up the Sanada vignette because of how different it was from the rest of the show. In regards to Russo being there, the fact that it has to be hidden really shows how bad Russo is in wrestling. One of the things I hate is when people say that Russo and Jim Cornette on are different ends of the wrestling spectrum, when that couldn't be further from the truth. Jim Cornette is at the more conservative end, no doubt, but Russo is off in his own world that it's an insult to compare him to Cornette, or anyone else for that matter. It also shows why I think if TNA is still for sale, Spike should renew it, only if they can get TNA from Dixie and Panda Energy. They seem to be doing well with Bellator under their leadership (along with Viacom of course) and if Spike can convince Viacom to take over TNA Wrestling, they might at least be able to go further with it. With Dixie Carter being there hiring people like Vince Russo, TNA is dead in the water until someone else can fix the ship. And I think a Spike TV takeover with Viacom may help. To bring up Bellator again, they did make sure to put the former Strike Force head in charge of Bellator, so if they were to acquire TNA, they would probably do something similar by putting a wrestling guy in the driver's seat there. In my mind I'm thinking they'd be better off giving Jarrett a chance with GFW, but even that gives me pause because TNA was Jarrett's at one point too. But to me it feels like if Spike were to say "we'll do wrestling on our own then" and started a brand new thing from the ground up they'd be just as good. Give it a relatively strong promotion to start, promise new faces, top talent, that they're a true alternative and even if all it is, is a good, not great wrestling show it just doesn't feel like it would be hard to build something new up to TNA's level. You see all the terrible pictures of barely attended live events when they feature some of wrestling's biggest stars right now, like how strong is TNA's brand? What make up their ratings? Guys who will watch wrestling on Thursday in spite of their better judgment (us) or die hard TNA fans? The Russo thing is hilarious but it was an interesting experiment to test whether our criticism of Vince Russo is blind prejudice or not, and it isn't. Russo's terrible at what he's made a living at for 20 years. EDIT: Honestly, I don't think it's actually possible but I think ROH would be perfect for Spike. ROH of all companies in North America books itself the most believably as an actual sport, it's a legitimate alternative from WWE and it would compliment Bellator in a big way. Spike cannot air GFW. That was a condition for giving Jarrett his release from TNA so they could start the project to begin with.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Jul 21, 2014 1:14:29 GMT -5
How about instead of wasting time and potentially ruining their relationships with W-1 and Spike they hire a NEW and FRESH writer with some NEW and FRESH ideas that could bring back some interest to their stories and shows.
I don't get why they always go back to Russo -- he hasn't written anything of importance since 1999 and his name is bad news and often the cause of jokes. Why would you want to bring that reputation upon yourself?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 21, 2014 1:23:37 GMT -5
Their fans don't like him and used to chant 'Fire Russo!' Spike reportedly doesn't like him. Their partners at Wrestle-1 in Japan are said to be concerned about him due to perceived racists comments. But you know who does like him? Dixie Carter. It's kind of frustrating. Was Russo the one who pissed them off by having Juventud hit Liger with a tequila bottle?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 21, 2014 1:30:42 GMT -5
Their fans don't like him and used to chant 'Fire Russo!' Spike reportedly doesn't like him. Their partners at Wrestle-1 in Japan are said to be concerned about him due to perceived racists comments. But you know who does like him? Dixie Carter. It's kind of frustrating. Was Russo the one who pissed them off by having Juventud hit Liger with a tequila bottle? Yes, I think njpw ended their relationship with WCW after this, he also did an interview basically stating that under his "administration" never would a Japanese or Mexican wrestler would be on the main event.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 1:31:55 GMT -5
In my mind I'm thinking they'd be better off giving Jarrett a chance with GFW, but even that gives me pause because TNA was Jarrett's at one point too. But to me it feels like if Spike were to say "we'll do wrestling on our own then" and started a brand new thing from the ground up they'd be just as good. Give it a relatively strong promotion to start, promise new faces, top talent, that they're a true alternative and even if all it is, is a good, not great wrestling show it just doesn't feel like it would be hard to build something new up to TNA's level. You see all the terrible pictures of barely attended live events when they feature some of wrestling's biggest stars right now, like how strong is TNA's brand? What make up their ratings? Guys who will watch wrestling on Thursday in spite of their better judgment (us) or die hard TNA fans? The Russo thing is hilarious but it was an interesting experiment to test whether our criticism of Vince Russo is blind prejudice or not, and it isn't. Russo's terrible at what he's made a living at for 20 years. EDIT: Honestly, I don't think it's actually possible but I think ROH would be perfect for Spike. ROH of all companies in North America books itself the most believably as an actual sport, it's a legitimate alternative from WWE and it would compliment Bellator in a big way. Spike cannot air GFW. That was a condition for giving Jarrett his release from TNA so they could start the project to begin with. If TNA does not exist, I don't imagine it being a problem.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 21, 2014 1:37:22 GMT -5
Was Russo the one who pissed them off by having Juventud hit Liger with a tequila bottle? Yes, I think njpw ended their relationship with WCW after this, he also did an interview basically stating that under his "administration" never would a Japanese or Mexican wrestler would be on the main event. What a maroon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 1:43:14 GMT -5
Looking at his Twitter account, he seems like a good dude, but he is clearly delusional.
His life would be so much better if he just stayed out of the wrestling business.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jul 21, 2014 1:57:02 GMT -5
How about instead of wasting time and potentially ruining their relationships with W-1 and Spike they hire a NEW and FRESH writer with some NEW and FRESH ideas that could bring back some interest to their stories and shows. I don't get why they always go back to Russo -- he hasn't written anything of importance since 1999 and his name is bad news and often the cause of jokes. Why would you want to bring that reputation upon yourself? Wrestling seems to be stuck at a point where it's using the same exact minds from the past 20 years. WWE's guilty of this too. If it's not a McMahon, it's Heyman or Bischoff or Hogan or Russo or guys who learned from them. Wrestling needs new direction, someone with new fresh ideas that weren't formed during the Clinton, Bush Sr, and Regan Administration.
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Post by Reflecto on Jul 21, 2014 2:19:40 GMT -5
Because of Russo Spike prohibits man on woman violence on IMPACT. I can understand why Spike would be not to happy about Vince Russo coming back, just because he was successful one time he thinks he can use the same formula of sex, violence, and pointless swerves not realizing the attitude audience has grown up and moved on His reputation is so bad on so many levels. Why keep bringing him back?? In the business world, it's better to be a world-famous failure than an anonymous success. No one will know what the success did, and all the successes will have the credit taken from them- but if you are a screwup of Russo's level, THE WORLD will know how big a screwup you are, so people will give you more chances just because you're the sexy pick that "well, everyone knows this guy in this industry, so he must be the best!" The hiring issue isn't Russo vs. Cornette or Heyman, but rather Russo vs. (for example) That guy who ran those three really good months of WWE television last year before the Authority storyline started.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jul 21, 2014 3:27:12 GMT -5
Damn, if Spike of all stations thinks you're of bad taste, you're really somethin' special.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 21, 2014 3:41:49 GMT -5
Was Russo the one who pissed them off by having Juventud hit Liger with a tequila bottle? Yes, I think njpw ended their relationship with WCW after this, he also did an interview basically stating that under his "administration" never would a Japanese or Mexican wrestler would be on the main event. "You want lucha libres, go to Japan!" Yeah, I wonder why Wrestle-1 wants to nothing to do with Russo.
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