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Post by Ryushinku on Jul 21, 2014 3:52:39 GMT -5
I don't see this as some huge obstacle for TNA though - if push comes to shove, I'm certain they'd gladly give Russo the boot despite their odd fondness of him. There's no way they want to lose the Spike deal.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Jul 21, 2014 3:55:07 GMT -5
They're trying their very best to get kicked off the network, with this Russo story and Dixie being put through a table.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 5:23:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Dixie willing to piss off her only real hope of staying in business (Spike) just for Vince Russo is funny or scary.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 21, 2014 6:04:18 GMT -5
Of all the strange, bad, or illogical things TNA has ever done, this may well be the most inexplicable. Seriously, there is no explaining this whatsoever. TNA came off a bad time with Hogan and his crew in charge, I get that...but what did Russo ever do? Russo's best run in TNA is almost universally considered to be his late 2009 booking, where he was essentially just keeping the seat warm until Hogan came in, and which had been preceded by months of awful television before then. Your Japanese partners dislike him due to his bias against foreign wrestlers; your talent largely dislikes him because he's proven incapable of booking any of them like stars (remember how badly he damaged Samoa Joe in the first BFG Series? It took eons to rehabilitate Joe's image after that); and, worst of all, your domestic TV partner dislikes him, albeit for undisclosed reasons. What company would possibly look at all that and figure "Eh, go ahead, bring him back"? I hate playing this card, but this is the kind of crap that gets people saying he's having an affair with Dixie or something crazy like that. Sadly, there's no reasonable or logical explanation, so we're stuck with insane reach theories. Actually, there is. Dixie Carter thinks lighting will strike twice. This has been demonstrated over and over.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 21, 2014 6:18:42 GMT -5
Of all the strange, bad, or illogical things TNA has ever done, this may well be the most inexplicable. Seriously, there is no explaining this whatsoever. TNA came off a bad time with Hogan and his crew in charge, I get that...but what did Russo ever do? Russo's best run in TNA is almost universally considered to be his late 2009 booking, where he was essentially just keeping the seat warm until Hogan came in, and which had been preceded by months of awful television before then. Your Japanese partners dislike him due to his bias against foreign wrestlers; your talent largely dislikes him because he's proven incapable of booking any of them like stars (remember how badly he damaged Samoa Joe in the first BFG Series? It took eons to rehabilitate Joe's image after that); and, worst of all, your domestic TV partner dislikes him, albeit for undisclosed reasons. What company would possibly look at all that and figure "Eh, go ahead, bring him back"? I hate playing this card, but this is the kind of crap that gets people saying he's having an affair with Dixie or something crazy like that. Sadly, there's no reasonable or logical explanation, so we're stuck with insane reach theories. Actually, there is. Dixie Carter thinks lighting will strike twice. This has been demonstrated over and over. Good point. Dixie probably sees him and thinks of The Rock and Sock Connection, "This Is Your Life", and the massive ratings it got, while overlooking that yeah, it was something to be proud of, but it was also the result of the right time and place, and more importantly, the right performers when the product was doing well. Nothing in his bag of tricks is going to capture that moment again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 6:36:38 GMT -5
I'm sure Spike is thrilled that the number 1 storyline in the company is a 300 pound man trying to put an older woman through a table. Instead of centering the company around Lashley, who fits what Spike probably wants due his MMA background, they have him second fiddle to the Dixie storyline.
I'm not sure if Dixie already knows that Spike will not renew and she is just saying screw it as far as what they want, or if she is really that clueless.
Be nice to Spike TV, Dixie. That's all you've got. Just hire back whoever was booking in 2012 (Roode as champion, Aries main event push, Joe booked as a killer, Hardy being pushed as a big deal, etc). Everyone wins.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 21, 2014 6:46:04 GMT -5
Actually, there is. Dixie Carter thinks lighting will strike twice. This has been demonstrated over and over. Good point. Dixie probably sees him and thinks of The Rock and Sock Connection, "This Is Your Life", and the massive ratings it got, while overlooking that yeah, it was something to be proud of, but it was also the result of the right time and place, and more importantly, the right performers when the product was doing well. Nothing in his bag of tricks is going to capture that moment again. And beyond that. Dixie keeps trying to use the legacy of ECW to boost TNA, rather than building a unique identity for the product. She insists on using ex WWE talent in the main event instead of TNA's home grown stars. She blatantly imitate's WWE, seemingly hoping that what works for them will work for her organization. My honest impression is that she is really just an overgrown mark who thinks its cool to run a wrestling company and really has no vision and no idea how to run it as a business.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 21, 2014 6:55:30 GMT -5
The guy is like herpes.
Someone book a Valtrex on a pole match and maybe he'll go away.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jul 21, 2014 7:07:44 GMT -5
I don't see this as some huge obstacle for TNA though - if push comes to shove, I'm certain they'd gladly give Russo the boot despite their odd fondness of him. There's no way they want to lose the Spike deal. I dunno, Russo has been a consultant for TNA for about five months or so. So TNA have been hiding this for that length of time which would understandably piss Spike off.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 21, 2014 7:38:35 GMT -5
Here are the comments Russo made.
This is cited in the Death of WCW book as from an interview with Dave Richards on the now defunct Wrestline.com site.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 21, 2014 7:40:49 GMT -5
Dixie keeps bringing him back because she loves the sound of Noo Yawk accents.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 21, 2014 7:45:40 GMT -5
Looking at his Twitter account, he seems like a good dude, but he is clearly delusional. His life would be so much better if he just stayed out of the wrestling business. That's always been my contention. His interviews with RD and Blade made me appreciate him as just a regular guy...but then he gets involved with TNA again, starts tweeting and launching tirades against fans and the dirtsheets, and it all goes to hell. He should just go and write movies for The Asylum, he'll probably be happier for it.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 21, 2014 8:01:13 GMT -5
Here are the comments Russo made. This is cited in the Death of WCW book as from an interview with Dave Richards on the now defunct Wrestline.com site. I don't see that as HIM being racist against anyone, that sounds more like him addressing a general issue in wrestling viewers, that they wouldn't accept a Japanese or Mexican main eventer. Except that's been proven wrong already with Rey Mysterio and Eddie Guerrero,at least from the Hispanic side. It was at least over 10 years ago with it being quoted in The Death Of WCW, so his opinion may have changed on that, but I highly doubt it. I think if you find a guy who is dynamic and captures peoples attention, and he is great in the ring, it doesn't matter what his nationality is, the money will follow it these days.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 21, 2014 8:56:04 GMT -5
So... if Spike doesn't renew do we chalk this up to another company that Russo killed? Looking at his Twitter account, he seems like a good dude, but he is clearly delusional. His life would be so much better if he just stayed out of the wrestling business. That's always been my contention. His interviews with RD and Blade made me appreciate him as just a regular guy...but then he gets involved with TNA again, starts tweeting and launching tirades against fans and the dirtsheets, and it all goes to hell. He should just go and write movies for The Asylum, he'll probably be happier for it. Those interviews actually made him come off worse to me because it showed that he was incapable of taking any blame for his own mistakes in any capacity. EVERYTHING was someone else's fault.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 9:11:35 GMT -5
I don't see this as some huge obstacle for TNA though - if push comes to shove, I'm certain they'd gladly give Russo the boot despite their odd fondness of him. There's no way they want to lose the Spike deal. Thing is that push apparently came to shove and they just snuck Russo back in there like a child stealing a cookie.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 21, 2014 9:41:41 GMT -5
Fun Russo fact: Before his Rainmaker days and being the biggest draw in japan right now, Kazuchika Okada did a US tour, this was the days when new japan had a working relationship with TNA even jeff hardy stunk up the Tokyo dome lol. He was brought in as Samoa Joe's ally, but the angle went nowhere quick and soon after he became a jobber, even motherf***ing Stevie Richards cleanly pinned the future IWGP heavyweight champion. I have a question, I don't know anything about Japanese culture, but I know they value honor above pretty much anything, would wrestle 1 maintain a working agreement despite being lied to? It seems that tna needs wrestle 1 more than they need them, I don't think Muta should trust their biggest draw, Sanada to a product Russo has influence in.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 21, 2014 9:48:44 GMT -5
Fun Russo fact: Before his Rainmaker days and being the biggest draw in japan right now, Kazuchika Okada did a US tour, this was the days when new japan had a working relationship with TNA even jeff hardy stunk up the Tokyo dome lol. He was brought in as Samoa Joe's ally, but the angle went nowhere quick and soon after he became a jobber, even motherf***ing Stevie Richards cleanly pinned the future IWGP heavyweight champion. I have a question, I don't know anything about Japanese culture, but I know they value honor above pretty much anything, would wrestle 1 maintain a working agreement despite being lied to? It seems that tna needs wrestle 1 more than they need them, I don't think Muta should trust their biggest draw, Sanada to a product Russo has influence in. You forgot the worst part... they gave him a f***ing Kato from the Green Hornet gimmick...
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 21, 2014 9:52:12 GMT -5
I think it's oddly appropriate that TNA had access to Okada for a bit and had him playing a terrible character and then he leaves and becomes arguably the biggest, hottest star in Japan.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 21, 2014 9:59:55 GMT -5
Fun Russo fact: Before his Rainmaker days and being the biggest draw in japan right now, Kazuchika Okada did a US tour, this was the days when new japan had a working relationship with TNA even jeff hardy stunk up the Tokyo dome lol. He was brought in as Samoa Joe's ally, but the angle went nowhere quick and soon after he became a jobber, even motherf***ing Stevie Richards cleanly pinned the future IWGP heavyweight champion. I have a question, I don't know anything about Japanese culture, but I know they value honor above pretty much anything, would wrestle 1 maintain a working agreement despite being lied to? It seems that tna needs wrestle 1 more than they need them, I don't think Muta should trust their biggest draw, Sanada to a product Russo has influence in. You forgot the worst part... they gave him a f***ing Kato from the Green Hornet gimmick... I know of the movie but never seen it, I don't remember much of okada's gimmick, I'll watch it on youtube, was it offensively stereotypical?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 21, 2014 10:00:23 GMT -5
I can buy Muta having issues with him, most people who worked for WCW do and with good reason, but I have a hard time believing that Spike TV care one way or another. If he was such a big issue for them, he would have been forced out during his first run as TNA have had zero issue with hiring and firing people to keep their relationship with Spike positive and I don't see them doing anything that would intentionally jeopardise that.
Seriously, this smacks as an attempt to pile the death of TNA onto Vince Russo's list of 'crimes', should they not be renewed by Spike because he makes a great villain.
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