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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 15:15:42 GMT -5
To play Devil's advocate but you look at the world of wrestling and apart from Russo who is avaliable to TNA and has experience with writing for a tv wrestling show? The only guy I could even think of is Jamie Noble Lagana, who they happen to employ.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jul 22, 2014 15:18:44 GMT -5
I think it's oddly appropriate that TNA had access to Okada for a bit and had him playing a terrible character and then he leaves and becomes arguably the biggest, hottest star in Japan. As has been said before, that's not really a fair argument. While I agree that the gimmick & angle in general was stupid, he wasn't that close to being as good as he is now & you make it sound like as soon as he left TNA & returned to New Japan, he was suddenly awesome. That's not the case though, it took him a while, in the middle-towards the end of his first title run to really start hitting his stride.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jul 22, 2014 15:26:22 GMT -5
It's a shame that when they're, imo, putting on a good product currently, TNA has this stuff happen. Seriously, guys.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 17:34:23 GMT -5
Last weeks show didn't have any hint of Russo at all (apart from that Crazy Steve guy in the battle royale, who was f***ing awesome) at all and it was the first time TNA have ever got me excited and left me wanting more since like 2009.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jul 22, 2014 19:50:51 GMT -5
Last weeks show didn't have any hint of Russo at all (apart from that Crazy Steve guy in the battle royale, who was f***ing awesome) at all and it was the first time TNA have ever got me excited and left me wanting more since like 2009. It really did though, ECW redub screams Russo, Sanada with a possible heel turn by Storm trying to get him to believe Muta is wrong, the horrid knockouts match
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 22, 2014 22:41:02 GMT -5
It bewilders me as to why they are so fixated on Russo.
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Post by olympicgoldmedalist on Jul 22, 2014 22:50:56 GMT -5
I'm not a TNA guy, but didn't he already have one crash and burn run in the TNA?
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jul 23, 2014 0:43:08 GMT -5
I'm not a TNA guy, but didn't he already have one crash and burn run in the TNA? You're thinking too small. I can think of at least two.
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Post by Juice on Jul 23, 2014 1:36:53 GMT -5
SO we are to take this jackasses word that Spike tv execs don't like Russo? Please, even giving this turd the benefit of the doubt that he has some connections to wrestlers he has none to tv executives. How much do we hate Russo that we are so willing to believe the smarkbaitiest of smarkbait in a long time.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jul 23, 2014 2:44:13 GMT -5
SO we are to take this jackasses word that Spike tv execs don't like Russo? Please, even giving this turd the benefit of the doubt that he has some connections to wrestlers he has none to tv executives. How much do we hate Russo that we are so willing to believe the smarkbaitiest of smarkbait in a long time. Or it might be because Spike see a guy who consistently puts out offensive or rubbish content and has written storylines that have involved violence against women even though there's a clear order not to do it.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 23, 2014 2:50:37 GMT -5
Spike TV having an issue with male on female violence or other content concerns isn't new, so if it's bullshit, it's not fresh bullshit. I recall newz from a while back that they explicitly told TNA that Flair and others can't have their trunks pulled down from behind, and have blurred it out even when it happened accidentally, seemingly, like to Tara. This isn't really all that implausible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 2:55:16 GMT -5
SO we are to take this jackasses word that Spike tv execs don't like Russo? Please, even giving this turd the benefit of the doubt that he has some connections to wrestlers he has none to tv executives. How much do we hate Russo that we are so willing to believe the smarkbaitiest of smarkbait in a long time. Yeah, I'm sort of confused about whether they mean a single person at Spike isn't fond of the product with Russo involved/doesn't like the angle he pushes things in, or if it's a network whole hatred of someone. There's a lack of specifics, and given Spike hasn't changed their (lack of) public words about TNA over the last few months I think this is more wild speculation made into a news story as happens a ton with Meltzer being paraphrased from when he rambles a bit on his show, which is not his fault most of the time. Spike could well be unhappy with Russo being hired, but why? Direction of program? Reputation in some regard? Wage demands over a certain amount? It's an empty statement without sources, why would "a source at Spike" not want a name/their job role mentioned? They hold the power here, they don't have to fear backlash from wrestlers) and eh, it's just vague. It sounds more like Meltzer thinks someone at Spike could be unhappy and given how he rambles he's let the train get ahead of the tracks in this regard. Given the show's recovered wildly over the last 2/3 weeks in ratings and viewers (not sure if I'm wrong on the latter, saw someone in a thread mention improved ratings) why would Spike really care? They didn't seem to care too much when Hogan/Bischoff lowered the ratings compared to when Russo was in charge prior. EDIT: just read the above posts, that makes more sense. Disregard 70% of this post.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 23, 2014 3:10:12 GMT -5
What we've learned today is TNA like self-torture, and this is the prime example.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 23, 2014 3:12:10 GMT -5
SO we are to take this jackasses word that Spike tv execs don't like Russo? Please, even giving this turd the benefit of the doubt that he has some connections to wrestlers he has none to tv executives. How much do we hate Russo that we are so willing to believe the smarkbaitiest of smarkbait in a long time. Yeah, I'm sort of confused about whether they mean a single person at Spike isn't fond of the product with Russo involved/doesn't like the angle he pushes things in, or if it's a network whole hatred of someone. There's a lack of specifics, and given Spike hasn't changed their (lack of) public words about TNA over the last few months I think this is more wild speculation made into a news story as happens a ton with Meltzer being paraphrased from when he rambles a bit on his show, which is not his fault most of the time. Spike could well be unhappy with Russo being hired, but why? Direction of program? Reputation in some regard? Wage demands over a certain amount? It's an empty statement without sources, why would "a source at Spike" not want a name/their job role mentioned? They hold the power here, they don't have to fear backlash from wrestlers) and eh, it's just vague. It sounds more like Meltzer thinks someone at Spike could be unhappy and given how he rambles he's let the train get ahead of the tracks in this regard. Given the show's recovered wildly over the last 2/3 weeks in ratings and viewers (not sure if I'm wrong on the latter, saw someone in a thread mention improved ratings) why would Spike really care? They didn't seem to care too much when Hogan/Bischoff lowered the ratings compared to when Russo was in charge prior. EDIT: just read the above posts, that makes more sense. Disregard 70% of this post. All the same, you're right in saying the lack of specifics on WHO at Spike is upset makes it harder to put stock in it, but I also get that naming names can cause problems, even if it means the newz has less substance.
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Post by evilone on Jul 23, 2014 4:25:03 GMT -5
Someone in TNA heard that someone at Spike is not fond of Russo due to personal preferences and that someone in TNA told "wrestling newzter" about it and tomorrow we got the headline like we did.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 23, 2014 5:43:00 GMT -5
Someone in TNA heard that someone at Spike is not fond of Russo due to personal preferences and that someone in TNA told "wrestling newzter" about it and tomorrow we got the headline like we did. I honestly don't have difficulty buying that Russo has a bad reputation with standards and practices at Spike, given Foley and Russo are on good terms, and even he says Russo has good ideas, but also often comes up with stuff that gets companies in deep shit without positively effecting ratings or drawing. This is the guy who decided Mark Henry should have sex with a transgendered person and have Chyna blackmail him as some kind of GREAT idea for business.
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Post by The Scuba Guy on Jul 23, 2014 8:43:12 GMT -5
Spike TV having an issue with male on female violence or other content concerns isn't new, so if it's bullshit, it's not fresh bullshit. I recall newz from a while back that they explicitly told TNA that Flair and others can't have their trunks pulled down from behind, and have blurred it out even when it happened accidentally, seemingly, like to Tara. This isn't really all that implausible. What happened to you, Spike? Remember Stripperella? Remember being "the first network for men?" What happened to you?
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Post by bluemeii on Jul 23, 2014 9:45:47 GMT -5
Like was said before, the simple fact that Viacom/Spike TV is paying TNA money for original programming all but guarantees that there is a channel rep present during any and all TV tapings. They aren't on the booking committee or anything that intrusive, but you can be sure they are there as a standards and practices rep for the company, and are well up to speed on the general goings on. It is totally believable that they would have a sour opinion on Russo due to his previous times with the company.
This isn't some company watching from a distance and just going "that Russo guy sucks". This is a business. Their people on the ground have bad experiences with a certain writer or producer of something they are paying for, you can bet that the company execs would have a bad opinion of the person also. Yeah they are there usually for S&P, but they are also the "mole" for the company execs.
That word would definitely get around to people working there (ie, wrestlers, announcers, *cough*JB*cough*). Why else the big need for all this secrecy about him working as a "consultant", and him lying about it until he was finally outed due to his inability to understand what the TO: section of an email is for.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 23, 2014 11:58:56 GMT -5
Spike TV having an issue with male on female violence or other content concerns isn't new, so if it's bullshit, it's not fresh bullshit. I recall newz from a while back that they explicitly told TNA that Flair and others can't have their trunks pulled down from behind, and have blurred it out even when it happened accidentally, seemingly, like to Tara. This isn't really all that implausible. What happened to you, Spike? Remember Stripperella? Remember being "the first network for men?" What happened to you? The cable industry changed. Networks no longer want to be limited by catering to a certain demographic and pull in mediocre ratings. A&E and Bravo became trash reality tv central. The Learning and History Channels became the very thing they fought not to be. MTV doesn't play music videos except 3 to 5 am in the morning. A vast majority of networks got at least 3 or more "reality" shows. And 2 of those are about some form of rednecks. Spike isn't content with being number 15. They want to be top ten. Can't do that playing to the frat boy crowd.
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Post by Juice on Jul 23, 2014 15:29:01 GMT -5
SO we are to take this jackasses word that Spike tv execs don't like Russo? Please, even giving this turd the benefit of the doubt that he has some connections to wrestlers he has none to tv executives. How much do we hate Russo that we are so willing to believe the smarkbaitiest of smarkbait in a long time. Or it might be because Spike see a guy who consistently puts out offensive or rubbish content and has written storylines that have involved violence against women even though there's a clear order not to do it. That's a THEORY, and a just one. But it mere speculation. People hate Russo they this guys says moronic things. People buy into it because they pay him and don't want to feel cheated with their money from this shyster. I've heard the violence on women thing in the past, but only from news site. If that were true there wouldn't have been a story line about putting Dixie, a woman, through a table. It doesn't matter who is writing the show, if Spike says not to do it then they can't do it. So the fact Spike allows the shit to air sort of defaults that line of thinking imo. But I am just a guy who posts online and I don't have nay knowledge of the inside dealings between Spike, TNA, or Russo. Some people on here post as if they are in the damned conference room with these people
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