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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Jul 29, 2014 12:29:03 GMT -5
So I've watched it a few times, and it somehow manages to get worse and worse after repeated viewings. Definitely a bottom 5 Rumble match for me.
The crowd, despite being hot for the entire show previously, is kinda dead and only pops for a few certain things.
It's baffling to think that only a little over a third of the previous year's Rumble participants were involved in this match and it really shows how many big stars departed over the past year. The ending is also incredibly stupid with Savage PINNING Yokozuna in a Rumble match. Does anyone know if Savage vs. Bret was ever considered for Wrestlemania 9?
At least Max Moon made an appearance. So, y'know, there's that.
I could go on and on, but what are everybody's thoughts on this match?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 29, 2014 12:37:27 GMT -5
Savage was never any good at Royal Rumbles.
1989: Eliminated by Hogan by accident 1990: Middling performance 1991: Misses his entrance 1992: Jumps over the top rope by mistake 1993: Tries a pin 1994: Meh
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jul 29, 2014 12:40:56 GMT -5
At least we got to see that exciting youngster Carlos Colon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 13:12:19 GMT -5
..........honestly? Rumble 93 occurred during that year when Hogan was gone. And as a fan of the time, it really seemed strange without him around.
What certainly helped that weird vibe go on was that the midcard began to get newer and the older faces faded away (many of whom left in early 92 after that Rumble match).
As a result they were left with a struggling batch of people for the 93 Rumble match. They tossed all the veterans they could in, but more spots seemed to belong to a lot of new guys (and, let's face it, guys like Backlund and Carlos Colon were newish unknowns to kids who grew up on Rock n' Wrestling). But the Rumble matches back then were strengthened by those "old reliables" who could be counted on to populate the ring and make the Rumble look like an hour-long struggle. With many of them gone, it seemed to work differently.
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Post by willyjakes on Jul 29, 2014 13:19:40 GMT -5
1993 still had a few warhorses. Dibiase, Perfect, Flair (who had 1 foot out the door already) as well as the typical lower mid card jobbers to the stars who we were all familiar with...Skinner, Koko, Virgil etc. The WWF wasn't quite overrun by TL Hoppers and Rad Radfords yet. But it was missing the weighty starpower of guys like Piper, Hogan, Warrior, Jake Roberts, and Andre.
I enjoyed the 1993 rumble more than 1994 or 1995.
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 29, 2014 13:31:05 GMT -5
The whole event saw its share of changes and the previous PPV did, as well.
One of the WWF Magazines advertised a mock rumble ad with Warrior and Bulldog who were gone by Survivor Series. The next ad had Mr. Perfect, reflecting the newest big face. Nailz was original slated as a participant. Bossman and Bigelow as well as opposed to the singles match. Terry Taylor and Max Moon were pictured in the magazine as scheduled for a singles match. Duggan, Kamala and Crush were slated participants too.
Royal Rumble, for the first few years, at least, was always a PPV with a lot of changes due to so many wrestlers scheduled. A number of changes occur around event time and after the event some wrestlers leave or are let go. 1992 definitely had a better roster but most of the lower guys were gone shortly after. 1993 was no different.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Jul 29, 2014 13:32:53 GMT -5
Randy Savage is my favourite of all time but the stupid ending to the '93 Rumble makes me cringe for him every time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 13:51:48 GMT -5
Anyone notice Yokozuna carrying that piece of paper out of the ring after the match? I always wondered what that was.
Things I loved about Rumble '93: - Bob Backlund lasting from #2 to #30 - Gorilla and Bobby (last time they did PPV together) - Yokozuna/Earthquake faceoff
Things I hated about Rumble '93: - The best wrestler of all time looks like an idiot trying to win by pinfall. - Giant Gonzalez - Backlund vs. Flair
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Post by willyjakes on Jul 29, 2014 13:54:50 GMT -5
Randy Savage is my favourite of all time but the stupid ending to the '93 Rumble makes me cringe for him every time. it was so sloppy. I understand wanting to put Yoko over and making him look like a monster, throwing Savage off him and over the ropes...but Yoko wasn't ready to be champ yet. I wish they would've gotten that Hitman-Savage program in (not just at the house shows) but a true Face vs. Face mega feud between two great wrestlers. Sure it wouldn't be Hogan/Warrior level...but it still would've been pretty good. Yoko was a decent heel champion, but nothing special or memorable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 14:01:01 GMT -5
Anyone notice Yokozuna carrying that piece of paper out of the ring after the match? I always wondered what that was. I remember seeing a thread here about that some time ago. I believe the idea (perhaps even stated once, very early on in his WWF career) was that it was his (more or less) paycheck that Fuji was giving him after each match.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 14:03:19 GMT -5
Randy Savage is my favourite of all time but the stupid ending to the '93 Rumble makes me cringe for him every time. it was so sloppy. I understand wanting to put Yoko over and making him look like a monster, throwing Savage off him and over the ropes...but Yoko wasn't ready to be champ yet. I wish they would've gotten that Hitman-Savage program in (not just at the house shows) but a true Face vs. Face mega feud between two great wrestlers. Sure it wouldn't be Hogan/Warrior level...but it still would've been pretty good. Yoko was a decent heel champion, but nothing special or memorable. A Savage/Hitman program would have been a great transition into the "New Generation" and put Hitman over huge. Savage was a lot like Flair in the respect that as much as everyone loved him, we were always happy to go back to booing him because he was so good as a heel. I can see a match where Bret and Savage face one another as babyfaces and Hitman gets the pinfall while Savage's foot was on the rope. Savage gets disgruntled because he can't get the match overturned, so he snaps and viciously attacks Hitman. That would have been a great program to build on for WrestleMania IX, where Bret gets a clean victory and then Macho shakes his hand after the match, or otherwise stays heel and joins forces with Razor to take on Hitman/Perfect at SummerSlam '93. That way Luger could still work his Lex Express gimmick and face Yoko on the same card, making it a double main event.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jul 29, 2014 17:38:33 GMT -5
I enjoyed the 1993 Rumble, but I may be a little bias since I always have had a soft spot for Rumble from the early 1990s.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 20:04:57 GMT -5
Is this the only a Rumble where someone won in the laying down position?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 8:05:17 GMT -5
After watching it this week, I kinda see why they had Bob face Razor at WM IX. Still seems rather random.
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Post by baerrtt on Jul 31, 2014 8:34:34 GMT -5
it was so sloppy. I understand wanting to put Yoko over and making him look like a monster, throwing Savage off him and over the ropes...but Yoko wasn't ready to be champ yet. I wish they would've gotten that Hitman-Savage program in (not just at the house shows) but a true Face vs. Face mega feud between two great wrestlers. Sure it wouldn't be Hogan/Warrior level...but it still would've been pretty good. Yoko was a decent heel champion, but nothing special or memorable. A Savage/Hitman program would have been a great transition into the "New Generation" and put Hitman over huge. Savage was a lot like Flair in the respect that as much as everyone loved him, we were always happy to go back to booing him because he was so good as a heel. I can see a match where Bret and Savage face one another as babyfaces and Hitman gets the pinfall while Savage's foot was on the rope. Savage gets disgruntled because he can't get the match overturned, so he snaps and viciously attacks Hitman. That would have been a great program to build on for WrestleMania IX, where Bret gets a clean victory and then Macho shakes his hand after the match, or otherwise stays heel and joins forces with Razor to take on Hitman/Perfect at SummerSlam '93. That way Luger could still work his Lex Express gimmick and face Yoko on the same card, making it a double main event. The problem was at this time Vince didn't feel Savage had it anymore as a major box office draw or in the ring consistently(and to be honest it wasn't until the feud Randy had with DDP in WCW during '97 that the latter opinion was disproved). Only the previous year, as well documented, he angrily had a match between Flair and Savage stopped because he thought it was way below both men's standards.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 31, 2014 9:02:12 GMT -5
A Savage/Hitman program would have been a great transition into the "New Generation" and put Hitman over huge. Savage was a lot like Flair in the respect that as much as everyone loved him, we were always happy to go back to booing him because he was so good as a heel. I can see a match where Bret and Savage face one another as babyfaces and Hitman gets the pinfall while Savage's foot was on the rope. Savage gets disgruntled because he can't get the match overturned, so he snaps and viciously attacks Hitman. That would have been a great program to build on for WrestleMania IX, where Bret gets a clean victory and then Macho shakes his hand after the match, or otherwise stays heel and joins forces with Razor to take on Hitman/Perfect at SummerSlam '93. That way Luger could still work his Lex Express gimmick and face Yoko on the same card, making it a double main event. The problem was at this time Vince didn't feel Savage had it anymore as a major box office draw or in the ring consistently(and to be honest it wasn't until the feud Randy had with DDP in WCW during '97 that the latter opinion was disproved). Only the previous year, as well documented, he angrily had a match between Flair and Savage stopped because he thought it was way below both men's standards. Given Vince and Savage were friends, I always got the feeling part of it might have been that Vince obviously knows enough about the business to know that legends can, and do, make fools of themselves by overstaying their welcome or having a downward spiral of quality in the ring. He probably didn't want to do that to Savage, putting him in situations to make a fool of him, but at the same time, he was not willing to showcase a guy who he expected was getting ready to pack it in as a main attraction, at least, not entirely. Savage of course had his pride, and likely felt he had more in the tank, which led to a lot of the frustration and was probably a key factor in their falling out. Obviously, I am only going with my gut on this and could be way off base.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 31, 2014 9:37:50 GMT -5
That's possible, but at least give him a 6 month farewell, putting over the new generation and using his name to boost the company, then ending at Summerslam with a big win to celebrate his career.
Ric Flair was long past it when they give him a retirement angle but they did something fitting that drew.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 31, 2014 10:41:18 GMT -5
Also, the Savage/Flair feud in WCW once Randy jumped ship was pretty great, as well; Savage was pretty amped to prove that he still had something left.
Said it in another thread, but Vince not letting Savage put Bret over (Savage apparently offered to put Bret, Shawn, or both over) was one of the big things that left the New Generation era hurting before it even really got underway.
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Post by Clawley Race on Jul 31, 2014 16:51:12 GMT -5
That's possible, but at least give him a 6 month farewell, putting over the new generation and using his name to boost the company, then ending at Summerslam with a big win to celebrate his career. Ric Flair was long past it when they give him a retirement angle but they did something fitting that drew. you can celebrate you career and all...but you go out on your back...
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Post by auph10imitated on Aug 1, 2014 7:15:18 GMT -5
I will always forever hate them for not booking Bret Hart vs Randy Savage at Wrestlemania 9, such a squandered opportunity. Ok fair enough Vince seemed soured on Savage in 1992 or whatever, but it was the natural progression much like Hogan vs Warrior before it. Would it have been as big? No. Because wrestling had peaked and faded, but a passing of the torch moment with those too and giving Savage one last main event Mania match was what they should have done.
On top of that they could have added the star power of the returning Hulk Hogan as Special Guest Referee instead of a throwaway tag team match. Of course you would have Savage turn tweener heel temporarily for storyline purposes as someone has already said he could switch easily. Bring up the history between him and Hogan etc, back then they didnt need much material to work with as TV time was different, it could be a pretty simple set up with lots of promo work.
You get the passing of the torch moment and you set up Bret vs Hogan for the summer.
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