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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 6:59:34 GMT -5
It sucks that he didn't pass on his condolences but I think people are making a bigger deal out of this than needs be. The grieving widow has asked Hogan to not comment on her husband, I'm sure Hogan didn't realise she felt this way and once he is then he'll respect her wishes (Hopefully)
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 16, 2014 7:51:01 GMT -5
Not a surprise that people jump to bash Hulk here. The same people who call Chris Brown the scum of the earth but then turn around and find every reason in the book to justify Steve Austin beating his wife are likely the ones calling Hulk a ("C word") without knowing the man personally. Owen doesn't apologize to Austin for breaking his neck? "He probably didn't know what to say". I'm glad people can speak for Owen and justify his actions without knowing him personally, but take what a grieving wife says as gospel as long as it bashes someone they don't like. When Owen's wife bashes the WWE, I wonder if everyone jumps to her defense and bash the company? Somehow, I doubt that, and in that case the company actually caused the man's death. There was nothing negative said by Hogan here. The only negative thing that I heard was during that Warrior documentary where they played clips of his 2009 (?) testimony about the Warrior DVD where he said he thought Warrior was a flash in the pan. Otherwise, what negativity am I missing? Would everyone feel better if Hogan came out and faked cried ala Stephanie McMahon during a tragedy? So Hulk is not profiting from Warrior's death nor talking ill about him. He's simply answering questions that are asked to him. I'm not sure what the complaint is here. Edit to add: I don't have an opinion on this one way or another. From Hulk's point of view, he and Warrior were hardly friends so I can't imagine he had any sort of speaking relationship with Warrior or his wife/kids (maybe I'm wrong). From Dana's point of view, she lost her husband and her kids lost their father. If she wanted Hulk to call her or send a card, then she has every right to feel that way. I agree with most of this except for the Austin thing. I've never seen anyone (at least here) justify Austin beating up Debra, come on now. Still fans of his maybe, but I've never outright seen someone here say "Austin was right to do that". Why do we have to make stuff up here? We should be better than that. This Hogan thing isn't a big deal though. Maybe they have an ugly history, maybe Hogan doesn't like him, maybe he's just a forgetful old man. You should never be required to send condolences when someone dies, just as long are you're respectful.
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Post by celtics543 on Aug 16, 2014 8:29:17 GMT -5
I can't blame Hogan here. These two guys hated each other for a long time and seemed to have upgraded their relationship to simply "cordial" before Warrior's passing. As badly as I feel for Mrs. Warrior she needs to understand that in life her husband was very opinionated and abrasive, it's not like Warrior was always thoughtful of other people's feelings. There are examples of people who have died that he has then mocked for one reason or another and things like that build up some pretty bad karma.
I feel bad for the Warrior family, losing a husband and father is extremely hard. Whether or not Hulk Hogan calls or sends a card shouldn't be something that matters to the family though. It's not like they were old buddies who were friends for a long time, they had just started mending their relationship 3 days before Warrior died. I'm sure Hulk didn't send the Poffo family a card either just like I'm sure he'd go to Brutus Beefcake or Jimmy Hart's family to help out in any way he could if they passed away.
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 16, 2014 9:36:07 GMT -5
If I was Hogan, with Hogan's position in wrestling I[/i} would have given the family at last a card. I'd probably do it even if I was a wrestler on Nxt.
That being said if I was Dana I wouldn't mention Hogan did anything at all unless he was mentioning the warrior all the time.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Aug 16, 2014 9:42:44 GMT -5
I love Hogan. He was *super* nice when I met him and I respect the hell out of his contributions to pro-wrestling.
That said, this is exactly the same thing he did after Macho Man died. He gave interviews talking about how they'd settled old scored, buried the hatchet, and become friends.
That's what inspired Warrior to make that (free) three hour anti-Hogan shoot video.
I wonder which of Warrior's friends will do it next...then die immediately after seeing the Hulkster again. RVD?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 16, 2014 10:30:18 GMT -5
After watching the video, I stand by what I said earlier. Hogan was asked about seeing Warrior again during Mania and Raw and he answered. He didn't say anything negative about him. Him saying Warrior looked to be having some troubles in the ring on Raw is not something negative toward Warrior. Others made the same observation. Also, this interview was over four months after his time, so I'd say time HAS passed and it's okay for Hogan to simply answer a question about Warrior. I'm not sure that's what the reaction is about so much as Hogan not sending them a card or anything after Warrior's passing, which is a pretty shitty thing to do. At the same time, Hogan sometimes seems to forget what arena he's even in, and the man is in his sixties. But, he's also a habitual liar/carny. So who knows. Either way I've always pretty much respected Hogan for his work and tried to ignore the backstage skit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 10:39:15 GMT -5
Does everyone here send everyone a card anytime someone in their family dies?
They weren't friends. Probably near the end they made up and didn't actively dislike each other. It would have been fine for him to send one but it's not really a thing if he doesn't. It's not like Hogan badmouthed Warrior here either.
This isn't like the Hall not signing a card for a sick kid thing. Not even close.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Aug 16, 2014 10:39:24 GMT -5
Not a surprise that people jump to bash Hulk here. The same people who call Chris Brown the scum of the earth but then turn around and find every reason in the book to justify Steve Austin beating his wife are likely the ones calling Hulk a ("C word") without knowing the man personally. Owen doesn't apologize to Austin for breaking his neck? "He probably didn't know what to say". I'm glad people can speak for Owen and justify his actions without knowing him personally, but take what a grieving wife says as gospel as long as it bashes someone they don't like. When Owen's wife bashes the WWE, I wonder if everyone jumps to her defense and bash the company? Somehow, I doubt that, and in that case the company actually caused the man's death. There was nothing negative said by Hogan here. The only negative thing that I heard was during that Warrior documentary where they played clips of his 2009 (?) testimony about the Warrior DVD where he said he thought Warrior was a flash in the pan. Otherwise, what negativity am I missing? Would everyone feel better if Hogan came out and faked cried ala Stephanie McMahon during a tragedy? So Hulk is not profiting from Warrior's death nor talking ill about him. He's simply answering questions that are asked to him. I'm not sure what the complaint is here. Edit to add: I don't have an opinion on this one way or another. From Hulk's point of view, he and Warrior were hardly friends so I can't imagine he had any sort of speaking relationship with Warrior or his wife/kids (maybe I'm wrong). From Dana's point of view, she lost her husband and her kids lost their father. If she wanted Hulk to call her or send a card, then she has every right to feel that way. I agree with most of this except for the Austin thing. I've never seen anyone (at least here) justify Austin beating up Debra, come on now. Still fans of his maybe, but I've never outright seen someone here say "Austin was right to do that". Why do we have to make stuff up here? We should be better than that. This Hogan thing isn't a big deal though. Maybe they have an ugly history, maybe Hogan doesn't like him, maybe he's just a forgetful old man. You should never be required to send condolences when someone dies, just as long are you're respectful. I had to do a double-take when I saw that part about justifying Austin beating up Debra. For the record, there is NO excuse that can justify domestic violence. I accept that Austin isn't perfect and I hope that he's learned from his past mistakes. It would take a really callous person to even attempt to justify such behavior.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 10:51:50 GMT -5
Not a surprise that people jump to bash Hulk here. The same people who call Chris Brown the scum of the earth but then turn around and find every reason in the book to justify Steve Austin beating his wife are likely the ones calling Hulk a ("C word") without knowing the man personally. Owen doesn't apologize to Austin for breaking his neck? "He probably didn't know what to say". I'm glad people can speak for Owen and justify his actions without knowing him personally, but take what a grieving wife says as gospel as long as it bashes someone they don't like. When Owen's wife bashes the WWE, I wonder if everyone jumps to her defense and bash the company? Somehow, I doubt that, and in that case the company actually caused the man's death. There was nothing negative said by Hogan here. The only negative thing that I heard was during that Warrior documentary where they played clips of his 2009 (?) testimony about the Warrior DVD where he said he thought Warrior was a flash in the pan. Otherwise, what negativity am I missing? Would everyone feel better if Hogan came out and faked cried ala Stephanie McMahon during a tragedy? So Hulk is not profiting from Warrior's death nor talking ill about him. He's simply answering questions that are asked to him. I'm not sure what the complaint is here. Edit to add: I don't have an opinion on this one way or another. From Hulk's point of view, he and Warrior were hardly friends so I can't imagine he had any sort of speaking relationship with Warrior or his wife/kids (maybe I'm wrong). From Dana's point of view, she lost her husband and her kids lost their father. If she wanted Hulk to call her or send a card, then she has every right to feel that way. I agree with most of this except for the Austin thing. I've never seen anyone (at least here) justify Austin beating up Debra, come on now. Still fans of his maybe, but I've never outright seen someone here say "Austin was right to do that". Why do we have to make stuff up here? We should be better than that. This Hogan thing isn't a big deal though. Maybe they have an ugly history, maybe Hogan doesn't like him, maybe he's just a forgetful old man. You should never be required to send condolences when someone dies, just as long are you're respectful. I didn't mean justify as in defend the behavior, I meant more brush it aside. "It only happened once" or "yeah it was a terrible thing, but....". Stuff like that. Chris Brown only did that once too (well, that we know of, anyway). Regardless that was just to point out how some are biased towards people they like.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 16, 2014 10:57:04 GMT -5
After watching the video, I stand by what I said earlier. Hogan was asked about seeing Warrior again during Mania and Raw and he answered. He didn't say anything negative about him. Him saying Warrior looked to be having some troubles in the ring on Raw is not something negative toward Warrior. Others made the same observation. Also, this interview was over four months after his time, so I'd say time HAS passed and it's okay for Hogan to simply answer a question about Warrior. I'm not sure that's what the reaction is about so much as Hogan not sending them a card or anything after Warrior's passing, which is a pretty shitty thing to do. At the same time, Hogan sometimes seems to forget what arena he's even in, and the man is in his sixties. But, he's also a habitual liar/carny. So who knows. Either way I've always pretty much respected Hogan for his work and tried to ignore the backstage skit. I think it's also very petty for the widow to publicly call-out Hogan for not reaching out or sending cards to her. People don't always know the best way to go about reacting to someone's death in the way of how they should send condolences, especially if you didn't really personally know the surviving family. You may not know if they WANT to hear from people they don't know. Yes, it is possible that Hogan completely did not care about Warrior's family and thus he made no effort to express his sympathy. It's also possible that Hogan did feel sorrow and sympathy to them, but didn't send them anything because he didn't know if he should. I'm sorry, but I think what Dana Warrior did is more extreme than what Hogan did. Hogan was asked FOUR MONTHS AFTER Warrior's death about his time with Warrior before the death. Hogan answered in a respectful way. Nothing extreme in this at all. But then Dana Warrior goes on social media and tells Hogan to stop talking about Warrior and publicly shames him for not sending her a card or flowers. She suggests Hogan is only acting like he cares about Warrior when he's on camera. I'm sorry, but I think Dana Warrior went too far. Despite being a widow, she's found a way for me to sympathize with Hogan more than her on this specific exchange. Maybe Hogan didn't feel he knew you well enough. Believe me. People don't always know how they should react when someone dies and it doesn't mean they don't feel sympathy.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Aug 16, 2014 10:59:33 GMT -5
Yep, he should be more like Warrior who said that Hulk was pimping out Linda to the wrestlers.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 16, 2014 11:04:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure that's what the reaction is about so much as Hogan not sending them a card or anything after Warrior's passing, which is a pretty shitty thing to do. At the same time, Hogan sometimes seems to forget what arena he's even in, and the man is in his sixties. But, he's also a habitual liar/carny. So who knows. Either way I've always pretty much respected Hogan for his work and tried to ignore the backstage skit. I think it's also very petty for the widow to publicly call-out Hogan for not reaching out or sending cards to her. People don't always know the best way to go about reacting to someone's death in the way of how they should send condolences, especially if you didn't really personally know the surviving family. You may not know if they WANT to hear from people they don't know. Yes, it is possible that Hogan completely did not care about Warrior's family and thus he made no effort to express his sympathy. It's also possible that Hogan did feel sorrow and sympathy to them, but didn't send them anything because he didn't know if he should. I'm sorry, but I think what Dana Warrior did is more extreme than what Hogan did. Hogan was asked FOUR MONTHS AFTER Warrior's death about his time with Warrior before the death. Hogan answered in a respectful way. Nothing extreme in this at all. But then Dana Warrior goes on social media and tells Hogan to stop talking about Warrior and publicly shames him for not sending her a card or flowers. She suggests Hogan is only acting like he cares about Warrior when he's on camera. I'm sorry, but I think Dana Warrior went too far. Despite being a widow, she's found a way for me to sympathize with Hogan more than her on this specific exchange. Maybe Hogan didn't feel he knew you well enough. Believe me. People don't always know how they should react when someone dies and it doesn't mean they don't feel sympathy. I agree with both your points, man. It does seem like people are more annoyed at the Hogan interview thing, which to me is just bizarre.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 16, 2014 11:10:22 GMT -5
I think it's also very petty for the widow to publicly call-out Hogan for not reaching out or sending cards to her. People don't always know the best way to go about reacting to someone's death in the way of how they should send condolences, especially if you didn't really personally know the surviving family. You may not know if they WANT to hear from people they don't know. Yes, it is possible that Hogan completely did not care about Warrior's family and thus he made no effort to express his sympathy. It's also possible that Hogan did feel sorrow and sympathy to them, but didn't send them anything because he didn't know if he should. I'm sorry, but I think what Dana Warrior did is more extreme than what Hogan did. Hogan was asked FOUR MONTHS AFTER Warrior's death about his time with Warrior before the death. Hogan answered in a respectful way. Nothing extreme in this at all. But then Dana Warrior goes on social media and tells Hogan to stop talking about Warrior and publicly shames him for not sending her a card or flowers. She suggests Hogan is only acting like he cares about Warrior when he's on camera. I'm sorry, but I think Dana Warrior went too far. Despite being a widow, she's found a way for me to sympathize with Hogan more than her on this specific exchange. Maybe Hogan didn't feel he knew you well enough. Believe me. People don't always know how they should react when someone dies and it doesn't mean they don't feel sympathy. I agree with both your points, man. It does seem like people are more annoyed at the Hogan interview thing, which to me is just bizarre. Alright, brother. I admit I'm pretty sensitive about this because I've always dealt with news of deaths differently than some. Others have made me feel like I am uncaring or have no heart. This topic kind of gets into that area, so I think it's hitting on some buttons for me.
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Post by lildude8218 on Aug 16, 2014 11:26:11 GMT -5
I also doubt that Hogan was the only person in the WWE Universe to not call or send a card
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Aug 16, 2014 11:28:11 GMT -5
I also doubt that Hogan was the only person in the WWE Universe to not call or send a card Are you accusing a Warrior of being untruthful or stretching the truth!
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Post by bigjohnsons on Aug 16, 2014 11:34:41 GMT -5
Does it really matter if Stone Cold beat Debra
Yeah violence against woman is flat out wrong , but this happened years ago , we shouldn't care about this incident really , it's between them not us
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 16, 2014 11:38:56 GMT -5
Does it really matter if Stone Cold beat Debra Yeah violence against woman is flat out wrong , but this happened years ago , we shouldn't care about this incident really , it's between them not us Can you please elaborate on this point? Because every single angle I'm trying to consider you taking with this is preposterous.
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Post by Boo! on Aug 16, 2014 11:56:10 GMT -5
Get the feeling if he had called to condole her she'd have taken to the internet by now to write a "how dare Hulk Hogan..." rant. It must run in the family. Hogan's likely never met her nor had contact details for her. Why does it bother her that a perfect stranger has never rung or sent letter of condolence?
Is she going to call out everyone her husband has ever worked with over the last 35 years and criticise them if they didn't personally condole her?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Aug 16, 2014 11:59:51 GMT -5
I think the biggest thing that we forgot with all the good will of Warrior going in the HOF and then his untimely death is that he was batshit crazy, and I can't imagine someone who married him being that far from that tree.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 12:35:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure that's what the reaction is about so much as Hogan not sending them a card or anything after Warrior's passing, which is a pretty shitty thing to do. At the same time, Hogan sometimes seems to forget what arena he's even in, and the man is in his sixties. But, he's also a habitual liar/carny. So who knows. Either way I've always pretty much respected Hogan for his work and tried to ignore the backstage skit. I think it's also very petty for the widow to publicly call-out Hogan for not reaching out or sending cards to her. People don't always know the best way to go about reacting to someone's death in the way of how they should send condolences, especially if you didn't really personally know the surviving family. You may not know if they WANT to hear from people they don't know. Yes, it is possible that Hogan completely did not care about Warrior's family and thus he made no effort to express his sympathy. It's also possible that Hogan did feel sorrow and sympathy to them, but didn't send them anything because he didn't know if he should. I'm sorry, but I think what Dana Warrior did is more extreme than what Hogan did. Hogan was asked FOUR MONTHS AFTER Warrior's death about his time with Warrior before the death. Hogan answered in a respectful way. Nothing extreme in this at all. But then Dana Warrior goes on social media and tells Hogan to stop talking about Warrior and publicly shames him for not sending her a card or flowers. She suggests Hogan is only acting like he cares about Warrior when he's on camera. I'm sorry, but I think Dana Warrior went too far. Despite being a widow, she's found a way for me to sympathize with Hogan more than her on this specific exchange. Maybe Hogan didn't feel he knew you well enough. Believe me. People don't always know how they should react when someone dies and it doesn't mean they don't feel sympathy. Agreed. This didn't need to be made public, especially since Hogan didn't do anything wrong. Unfortunately, some people took the bait and character assassinated Hogan anyway. If she wanted Hulk to send her a card or call her, that's fine. I'm not going to tell a grieving wife or kids how to feel. However, making Hogan out to be a bad guy for this definitely sucks, mainly because (as this thread has show ) some people will take the bait. I hope she calls out everyone who didn't send her a card or call. Otherwise, calling out Hogan alone when Warrior pretty much took a dump on him in a YouTube video three years ago is beyond petty.
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