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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 15:20:51 GMT -5
In Scotland - it's illegal to make racial remarks to someone. I'm so thankful you aren't allowed to discuss politics on this board. The USA baffles me. Like straight up illegal? Like if I called you a slur I'd get fined?
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Post by Mondai Rogue on Aug 19, 2014 15:31:18 GMT -5
In Scotland - it's illegal to make racial remarks to someone. I'm so thankful you aren't allowed to discuss politics on this board. The USA baffles me. Like straight up illegal? Like if I called you a slur I'd get fined? Pretty much.
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Post by Supercheese on Aug 19, 2014 15:42:32 GMT -5
In Scotland - it's illegal to make racial remarks to someone. I'm so thankful you aren't allowed to discuss politics on this board. The USA baffles me. Like straight up illegal? Like if I called you a slur I'd get fined? Yep. There has been a major push to make Scotland a more inclusive place to live.
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Post by ninjachick on Aug 19, 2014 16:29:39 GMT -5
There's another interview Alberto did about an hour later on a different morning show. This incident happened in catering. No one told Alberto third hand. Someone said something to this Cody dude about washing dishes, Cody then said that's Del Rio's job. Del Rio said to who he was eating with, "what's this guy's problem". Alberto then stood up and said "what did you say, you son of a bitch, you need to apologize"
This Cody dude then WALKS UP IN ALBERTO's FACE, SAYS NOTHING AND SMILES. That's when Alberto slapped him. F that noise about Alberto shouldn't have hit him. This a*sh*le makes a racist comment then proceeds to step to Alberto! He's lucky Alberto didn't put him through a wall.
Alberto also talked about an incident from 7 or 8 months ago. Alberto was on his way to the ring and Cody Barbie Doll was pretending to be on the computer. He (Cody) called Alberto a "slut" Alberto said "what did you say" and Cody was like "Oh, I just was reading this on twitter and it says you're a slut" Cody then tried to high five Alberto and Alberto backed up, said don't touch me and went out to the ring.
Someone mentioned Alberto being a 6 5" 240lbs trained fighter, yea and, what's your point. This Cody guy is a bully. You don't have to be 6+ft tall 250+lbs to be a bully. Alberto didn't even know this guy.
Alberto's push didn't have s**t to do with this situation. Neither does if you like his television character or not. What happened was messed up. WWE sending or allowing those petty a*s tweets about Alberto to be sent and locking this man up in a one year no compete ban in The United States is WRONG. All he wants to do is wrestle.
Alberto has been NOTHING but professional about this situation. In his AAA promo, he did NOT call the wwe racist. He said he encountered a racist monster, stood up for himself and lost his job. He said they wwe can take his job, but they won't take his dignity and pride. I'm completely on Alberto's side and I hope he becomes a bigger success in Mexico then ever before.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 19, 2014 17:57:28 GMT -5
You're talking about two completely different things here. The Del Rio situation would be WWE fostering a potentially discriminatory work environment, which is illegal everywhere. There are protections against that. This not only includes the owners refusing or passing people over because of their race, but fostering an environment where racism and discrimination is overlooked. In many states, sexual orientation is not a protected class, but even if it were, making comments that upsets potential customers isn't the same thing as fostering a work environment that is discriminatory to your employees. Taking the less socially acceptable stance in public and protecting a guy making racist remarks are completely different things. Making racist remarks isn't illegal, no, you are right on that, but for a company to allow it to happen without punishment can open them up to a litany of legal problems. read what I said again..... I did read it, I'm just saying that, from a legal standpoint, you can't really compare what the Chick-Fil-A CEO said to this situation, since the scenarios, and the legal standards, are completely different. Partially due to sexual orientation not being a protected class in many states and partially due to the sticky nature of workplace discrimination suits compared to unpopular political stances. The legal bar for workplace discrimination is lower could be reached simply by proving that openly racist activity is present and the company doesn't do anything about it, which for a company of WWE's history would be difficult to argue against. Del Rio wouldn't even have to prove that it made it impossible for him to do his job, only that a pattern of racism exists between employees exists, the company knows about it, and doesn't take appropriate action. With the history of the company, they'd try to get that suit settled as soon as it was filed, because their history would not be on their side. I'm not arguing that saying racist things isn't, in itself, illegal, or that assault isn't always a crime, just that the standard for a workplace discrimination suit doesn't necessarily require that the employee had to prove they were unable to do anything at their job. Now hiring discrimination, that's a different beast altogether.
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Post by nate5054 on Aug 20, 2014 4:37:17 GMT -5
I been called more racist names in so many different languages that you have to come up with some completely new to get a reaction from me. Just because someone calls you are racist name or say a racist remark doesn't give you free pass to assault someone. I understand the anger he felt but I can't sign off on that. Slapping someone is barely an assault. If the guy said that racial remark to me he'd have no teeth. Doing nothing will give him the impression what he did was acceptable. Del Rio called him out on it. Really disappointed with the number of people willing to defend a racist. Slapping someone is barely an assault? What country do you live in?
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Post by nate5054 on Aug 20, 2014 4:53:57 GMT -5
So it's legal to be racists in the USA? Wow. Yes. I'm stunned this is a question. Is it illegal to be a racist somewhere? If someone in countries that have hate speech laws say "I'm a racist and am proud of it" they will be fined/arrested/jailed?
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Post by Session Moth is over on Aug 20, 2014 5:07:01 GMT -5
So it's legal to be racists in the USA? Wow. Yes. I'm stunned this is a question. Is it illegal to be a racist somewhere? It's not illegal to hold racist views no. But if I went up to a black man and called him every racist name under the sun I'm pretty sure he could have me up in court for racial abuse.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 20, 2014 5:13:10 GMT -5
Slapping someone is barely an assault. If the guy said that racial remark to me he'd have no teeth. Doing nothing will give him the impression what he did was acceptable. Del Rio called him out on it. Really disappointed with the number of people willing to defend a racist. Slapping someone is barely an assault? What country do you live in? Besides form what was reported it was not jsut a small slap.It was bordeline assault.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 20, 2014 5:32:41 GMT -5
Slapping someone is barely an assault? What country do you live in? Besides form what was reported it was not jsut a small slap.It was bordeline assault. Well, by legal definition, assault means putting them in fear of violence, seeing as he actually smacked the dude he probably jumps up to battery. If any damage was done, it'd move up to ABH/GBH.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Aug 20, 2014 5:34:37 GMT -5
Hitting is not how we solve problems and I'm sad that I have to tell that to grown ups.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 20, 2014 6:17:44 GMT -5
When you think slap, you tend to think of a light but humiliating tap to the face, but they can be more lethal than you think. R-Truth concussed Ted Dibiase with a "fake" slap, now apply that to a wrestler and trained fighter slapping a puny Twitter nerd.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 8:47:35 GMT -5
Not where I am, if it's done at a workplace. But it's not illegal to have racist views, do is it? Being a racist and acting racist are two very different things. Over here, you can have whatever views you want, but acting on those views can be illegal depending on whether or not they infringe on the rights of others. Directing racist rhetoric at Del Rio is more than just prejudice. That's open discriminatory behavior and that is a hornet's nest of legal woes, if ADR decides to press the issue. I've worked in a Fortune 500 company for the last 8 years and I know for a fact that a racist comment that is reported will get the racist in trouble. Not necessarily a firing, but at least a warning. So while it's technically "legal" to hold racist views, being able to get away with it depends entirely on the action and where the action took place. From an employment standpoint, both parties were wrong. However, WWE and wrestling in general doesn't seem like a place where reporting racism would be accepted. This is an industry with grown performing ribs, bullying, etc. I'm sure there is unwritten codes within the locker room and thing like that. I hope this becomes a big deal because the WWE can't have their cake and eat it too. You want to be public? You want to be respected as a media giant? Then clean up your carny backstage rules and act professional.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 9:13:36 GMT -5
But it's not illegal to have racist views, do is it? Being a racist and acting racist are two very different things. Over here, you can have whatever views you want, but acting on those views can be illegal depending on whether or not they infringe on the rights of others. Directing racist rhetoric at Del Rio is more than just prejudice. That's open discriminatory behavior and that is a hornet's nest of legal woes, if ADR decides to press the issue. I've worked in a Fortune 500 company for the last 8 years and I know for a fact that a racist comment that is reported will get the racist in trouble. Not necessarily a firing, but at least a warning. So while it's technically "legal" to hold racist views, being able to get away with it depends entirely on the action and where the action took place. Exactly. Racist comments are exemplary of active discrimination. Discrimination based on all sorts of things (race included) will get you in trouble nowadays. Barbierri's private views would be prejudicial, which he can't get in trouble for, but as soon as he makes them public, that then casts things into another light.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 20, 2014 10:33:49 GMT -5
When you think slap, you tend to think of a light but humiliating tap to the face, but they can be more lethal than you think. R-Truth concussed Ted Dibiase with a "fake" slap, now apply that to a wrestler and trained fighter slapping a puny Twitter nerd. Besides, even if it was a light slap to the face, in a professional context you can't do it if you want to keep that job. That's just basic logic. One can rant all day about what the other guy side or how he acted, but if you're an adult and in a job, unless it's in self defense, ya can't strike somebody despite how much they deserve it; not if you want to continue to be employed.
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Post by Supercheese on Aug 20, 2014 12:12:35 GMT -5
Slapping someone is barely an assault. If the guy said that racial remark to me he'd have no teeth. Doing nothing will give him the impression what he did was acceptable. Del Rio called him out on it. Really disappointed with the number of people willing to defend a racist. Slapping someone is barely an assault? What country do you live in? You might get dragged into court but I doubt any rationally minded/non racist jury would sentence someone for slapping a racist. I'd say the racial remark would be considered extremely provocative and cause a person to act in a manner they would not usually do so. As for your other comment - you really aren't too bright if you think espousing racial views in the public domain is legal. If I google "Man arrested for racial remark" I get tonnes of links to some of the biggest papers in the UK. A lot of people in the UK have been charged over comments they have posted online as well. Quite sad so many people seem so keen to defend a racists "right" to make the remarks. With rights come responsibilities and yon racial Twitter prick has sadly abused his right of free speech.
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Post by bluemeii on Aug 20, 2014 12:31:21 GMT -5
This didn't happen in the UK. Sorry you don't get to hit people in the US cause someone says something you don't like. It's that simple.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Aug 20, 2014 13:40:53 GMT -5
The link for translation is broken.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Aug 20, 2014 14:05:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 14:09:02 GMT -5
Hitting is not how we solve problems and I'm sad that I have to tell that to grown ups. To be fair Del Rio was being more aggressive than we've ever seen him!
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