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Post by Kash Flagg on Aug 20, 2014 19:24:19 GMT -5
I suggest you never use that last two lines again. Have fun. Hmm I think I will do as I please. xoxo So will I. Goodbye.
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Aug 20, 2014 19:26:56 GMT -5
The only opinion I am bewildered with is apparently Tamina sucks I mean when you got like people like Eva Marie and Rosa walking around Tamina shouldn't even be at the bottom of the list of the people who suck. I found Tamina a rather non-offensive part of the divas roster, not terrible, but not great, kind of a competent hand to have when one is needed, but not to go beyond a certain level. Then there was this match against Paige in NXT that was, admittedly, a stinker. Tamina took the brunt of the blame for that match (a recurring theme I have noticed: if Paige is in a match that is less than perfect, her opponent takes the blame for it. See the reaction to the PaiJ match at Battleground). I think that's where it started, and it's too bad because, as I said, she's competent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 19:26:53 GMT -5
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 20, 2014 19:26:54 GMT -5
I'm just gonna say that I miss Laycool. And Eve Torres. And Alundra Blayze. And Wendi Richter. And Donna Christanello and most the rest of the 80s women. Right now I kinda like Natalya, basically indifferent to Paige and AJ. I think The Bellas are a HUGE detriment to my enjoyment of the product, and that Steph is a somehow bigger detriment to that. AJ circa 2012 might be one of my least favorite.... things..... ever..... inwrestling..... but........ they.......... stopppppped............. doing......... that. (skips)
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 20, 2014 19:29:58 GMT -5
Hmm I think I will do as I please. xoxo So will I. Goodbye.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 19:32:32 GMT -5
The only opinion I am bewildered with is apparently Tamina sucks I mean when you got like people like Eva Marie and Rosa walking around Tamina shouldn't even be at the bottom of the list of the people who suck. I found Tamina a rather non-offensive part of the divas roster, not terrible, but not great, kind of a competent hand to have when one is needed, but not to go beyond a certain level. Then there was this match against Paige in NXT that was, admittedly, a stinker. Tamina took the brunt of the blame for that match (a recurring theme I have noticed: if Paige is in a match that is less than perfect, her opponent takes the blame for it. See the reaction to the PaiJ match at Battleground). I think that's where it started, and it's too bad because, as I said, she's competent. I think that owes heavily to Paige's inexperience. Some female wrestlers are better at covering for bad wrestlers than others, especially those who are physically strong and really experienced. Paige's strength is fine, but she doesn't have enough time in the company to really have a good understanding of ring leadership. She can't cover because she doesn't know how to cover, because she hasn't learned how to cover. In a few years, she'll be better at it. Then there's some people like AJ and Gail Kim who simply aren't physically powerful enough to cover bad wrestlers. Their size and lack of strength means that if someone is as graceful as a lead balloon, they can't just power through it and correct them (i.e. both Kongs, Aja and Awesome, were so strong that they effectively controlled the flow of a match by virtue of their strength). Gail's had some phenomenal matches like with Awesome Kong in TNA, but she's also had some bombs like the throwaway Raw matches where she had to cover for people like Rosa and such. I think Paige is tall and strong enough so that she won't suffer from that, but it'll be some time before she's really learned how to wrestle WWE style with a WWE quality (including the awful ones) female roster.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 20, 2014 19:34:57 GMT -5
I just want to say that Gail Kim in TNA is in my fave five of wrestlers right now.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Aug 20, 2014 19:35:46 GMT -5
Gail always seemed to be much more motivated in TNA. Christian was the same way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 19:38:50 GMT -5
Gail always seemed to be much more motivated in TNA. Christian was the same way. Motivation has a lot to do with it too. Natalya when she's motivated is probably the best woman on WWE's main roster, from an in-ring standpoint. When she's not motivated, she's pretty forgettable. Which is a shame, because when she was regularly getting TV time and getting a push, she really seemed like she cared. A lot. I'd love if they gave her another chance before she eventually winds down and retires.
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 20, 2014 19:39:15 GMT -5
Gail always seemed to be much more motivated in TNA. Christian was the same way. I thought Christian showed a lot of heart in his WWE run from 2009 to 2011. Until... we all know what happened I don't want to get into it.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Aug 20, 2014 19:52:00 GMT -5
Gail always seemed to be much more motivated in TNA. Christian was the same way. I thought Christian showed a lot of heart in his WWE run from 2009 to 2011. Until... we all know what happened I don't want to get into it. From his time in TNA through 2011, he was one of the 10 best workers within TNA & WWE.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 20, 2014 19:58:55 GMT -5
Gail always seemed to be much more motivated in TNA. Christian was the same way. I suppose not getting f***ed about and being booked at the top of the division will do that to you. I mean, Samoa Joe was lean and mean for years at the top, then once he got injured and started getting shit for angles, dude started to balloon to the lovable ball of goo we see today.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 20:29:26 GMT -5
Gail always seemed to be much more motivated in TNA. Christian was the same way. I suppose not getting f***ed about and being booked at the top of the division will do that to you. I mean, Samoa Joe was lean and mean for years at the top, then once he got injured and started getting shit for angles, dude started to balloon to the lovable ball of goo we see today. It all started to go downhill for him when he showed up with baggy pants and a giant dong painted on his face. I'm still not sure what that was about.
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Post by Dshuks on Aug 21, 2014 14:33:41 GMT -5
Gail's not strong enough to cover for/carry other wrestlers? I guess we're forgetting how she made people think Tessmacher was actually a good wrestler through their feud.
Gail is a very solid base and can take pretty much any move.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Aug 21, 2014 14:47:30 GMT -5
I don't think they get enough hate. Most are shit. I mean who in the hell sits at home and says "Gee golly...I can't wait to see Natalya wrestle tonight!" I'm guessing nobody. Or how about this: You're out with your buddies and look at your watch and say "Dude...lets go back to your house...Cameron is wrestling in 15 minutes!" lol People hate on the divas because for the most part they SUCK. 99% of them are a bunch of charisma-less black voids of personality. Their characters are bland, shallow and as deep as a puddle of piss. They want to cut back on the budget and fire this trash.
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Post by Boo! on Aug 21, 2014 15:07:22 GMT -5
I don't think they get enough hate. Most are shit. I mean who in the hell sits at home and says "Gee golly...I can't wait to see Natalya wrestle tonight!" I'm guessing nobody. Or how about this: You're out with your buddies and look at your watch and say "Dude...lets go back to your house...Cameron is wrestling in 15 minutes!" lol People hate on the divas because for the most part they SUCK. 99% of them are a bunch of charisma-less black voids of personality. Their characters are bland, shallow and as deep as a puddle of piss. They want to cut back on the budget and fire this trash. Agreed. I find it patronising. There's at most one and a half personalities between the lot of them. If they were serious about Divas there'd be different types of female wrestlers; fat ones, skinny ones, athletic ones, muscley ones, tall ones, short ones - involved in different styles of matches and storylines that go beyond "he's my guy" or that thing where you see a bunch of Divas in the hall and one says something bitchy to the other and suddenly - it's a feud. I'd love for there to be a proper women's division and proper women wrestlers on the show - but this isn't it.
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Post by FinalGwen on Aug 21, 2014 15:10:51 GMT -5
It takes a good diva to get the same acclaim as a mediocre superstar, and a great diva to get the acclaim of a good one. If most of the male roster were female they'd probably be hated online and used as the 'piss break'.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Aug 21, 2014 15:11:42 GMT -5
Ugh not the indy argument, as far as I'm aware the likes of Emma, Summer, Fox, Sasha Banks and Charlotte never had much on an indy reputation and only the last one has any major wrestling family ties (I may be wrong on a few though) but regularly get praise for their in-ring work. The likes of Rosa and Cameron get criticised for not being very good. Eva is even worse and isn't even good enough to wrestle regularly on NXT, Alexa Bliss is used sparingly while she learns and even she is both better and gets more praise. That may be OK if their work outside of the ring is good enough but that doesn't apply to anybody but Layla and even she's passable in the ring. I think NXT (and even the recent AJ/Paige feud) have proven that many fans do like divas when they're talented enough and are presented well, I think many peoples MotY lists will feature a womens match (depending on what happens the rest of year of course). That said they do get some unfair criticism but who doesn't? They're also sometimes held to stupidly high standards. Emma is a product of Lance Storm's academy and worked in Europe and Shimmer along with Paige for a while.
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Post by Boo! on Aug 21, 2014 15:13:04 GMT -5
It takes a good diva to get the same acclaim as a mediocre superstar, and a great diva to get the acclaim of a good one. If most of the male roster were female they'd probably be hated online and used as the 'piss break'. Why is it hated online? Have you heard a crowd during 99% of Diva matches? ....me neither. Diva's make FAR more botches than the men do. Far, far more. It's not even close. And replace all the male storylines with "I'm dating that person"...or "hey, they're my shoes", then yeah they'd be considered 'piss break' worthy too. Next week on Totally Male; Miz has an ice cream and Cesaro gets wet at the water-slide park!
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Aug 21, 2014 15:50:12 GMT -5
I'm not gunna read 6 pages of a Divas argument thread, but I want to point out, even if it already has, that it's almost uncomfortable the amount of shit Rosa Mendes gets from pretty much everyone around here, especially considering all the crap she's gone through.
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