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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 12:12:04 GMT -5
What I find hilarious about the chant is that several knockouts over the years started as divas. So are they better than themselves?
It's like when all the TNA fans used to say WWE sucked and had crappy wrestlers but then marked for Angle, Christian, RVD, and even Booker T when they showed up.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 23, 2014 12:17:46 GMT -5
They don't have AJ Lee, so no, they can't be better.
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Post by sunnytaker on Aug 23, 2014 16:04:04 GMT -5
They don't have AJ Lee, so no, they can't be better. they did once...kinda... when they showed Jay Lethal's family in the crowd and AJ was sitting next to them as she and Jay were still together then.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Sept 9, 2014 0:13:59 GMT -5
They don't have AJ Lee, so no, they can't be better. They have Havok, who is a lot better than AJ Lee on the mic, much more creative with her promos too. Given it some thought so I have given this thread a bump some what now we've seen Havok's debut and Kay Lee Ray maybe soon joining up, I will go with the Better Than Divas chant, its a valid argument.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Sept 9, 2014 0:49:33 GMT -5
They don't have AJ Lee, so no, they can't be better. They have Havok, who is a lot better than AJ Lee on the mic, much more creative with her promos too. Given it some thought so I have given this thread a bump some what now we've seen Havok's debut and Kay Lee Ray maybe soon joining up, I will go with the Better Than Divas chant, its a valid argument. They were chanting it during a horrible knockouts title match. So no, the chant is still massively invalid if they thought that was worth a chant.
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Post by Danimal on Sept 9, 2014 1:45:02 GMT -5
The knockout matches have been decent lately and I find the current diva storylines with the Bellas, Steph, Paige, and AJ annoying as hell. So I don't mind the chant.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Sept 9, 2014 2:22:43 GMT -5
Skirt Tiffany is more awesome than any diva.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Sept 9, 2014 11:16:44 GMT -5
They have Havok, who is a lot better than AJ Lee on the mic, much more creative with her promos too. Given it some thought so I have given this thread a bump some what now we've seen Havok's debut and Kay Lee Ray maybe soon joining up, I will go with the Better Than Divas chant, its a valid argument. They were chanting it during a horrible knockouts title match. So no, the chant is still massively invalid if they thought that was worth a chant. You're in a minority, it doesn't compare to the ladder match, but it was still a good TV match.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 9, 2014 12:28:49 GMT -5
They were chanting it during a horrible knockouts title match. So no, the chant is still massively invalid if they thought that was worth a chant. You're in a minority, it doesn't compare to the ladder match, but it was still a good TV match. No one is the minority or majority. The match wasn't better than Divas. It wasn't even better than Knockouts. It was a smark chant meant to boost people's perceptions about the current Knockouts but outside of Gail Kim, is a roster no even worthy of OVW.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Sept 9, 2014 13:17:05 GMT -5
You're in a minority, it doesn't compare to the ladder match, but it was still a good TV match. No one is the minority or majority. The match wasn't better than Divas. It wasn't even better than Knockouts. It was a smark chant meant to boost people's perceptions about the current Knockouts but outside of Gail Kim, is a roster no even worthy of OVW. And that is a fact is it? they've been chanting it for over a month, an average KO match is better than a good Divas match IMO
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 9, 2014 15:44:43 GMT -5
No one is the minority or majority. The match wasn't better than Divas. It wasn't even better than Knockouts. It was a smark chant meant to boost people's perceptions about the current Knockouts but outside of Gail Kim, is a roster no even worthy of OVW. And that is a fact is it? they've been chanting it for over a month, an average KO match is better than a good Divas match IMO Probably 2 years ago, that statement would had been true but nowadays it's not. The average Knockouts match is like an average Divas match that is a few minutes longer. Days when Hamada, Alissa Flash, Roxxi, and Kong were around, no question. Gail Kim is the lone guiding light in the Knockouts division. Love's skills regressed. Velvet is more experienced than Rosa Mendes but has the same skill level. Madison is average in every way. Brittany looks lost without someone to carry her which only one person who can do that. Taryn can work hardcore but falls apart working standard matches. Rebel is so inexperienced that they don't trust her in matches and made her a valet. The jury's is still out on Havok. Grading the current roster on its own standards, it's C- with Kim. A D- without her.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Sept 9, 2014 15:55:23 GMT -5
And that is a fact is it? they've been chanting it for over a month, an average KO match is better than a good Divas match IMO Probably 2 years ago, that statement would had been true but nowadays it's not. The average Knockouts match is like an average Divas match that is a few minutes longer. Days when Hamada, Alissa Flash, Roxxi, and Kong were around, no question. Gail Kim is the lone guiding light in the Knockouts division. Love's skills regressed. Velvet is more experienced than Rosa Mendes but has the same skill level. Madison is average in every way. Brittany looks lost without someone to carry her which only one person who can do that. Taryn can work hardcore but falls apart working standard matches. Rebel is so inexperienced that they don't trust her in matches and made her a valet. The jury's is still out on Havok. Grading the current roster on its own standards, it's C- with Kim. A D- without her. Having seen Havok pre TNA, she's the best one there. Hamada never worked out because she was lazy to the point she gained weight, Melissa's Alissa Flash gimmick went nowhere, Roxxi retired to become a fitness coach and not long after Kong left TNA and joined WWE, she became pregnant. Gail Kim is in her twilight years and Havok will probably go over her at Bound for Glory. With TNA probably bringing in Kay Lee Ray as well, even through periods of transition their womens roster is still better than the divas IMO. Taryn has only been wrestling 18 months to 2 years, she's got the right attitude, and she'll improve under the right guidance.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 9, 2014 16:09:15 GMT -5
Probably 2 years ago, that statement would had been true but nowadays it's not. The average Knockouts match is like an average Divas match that is a few minutes longer. Days when Hamada, Alissa Flash, Roxxi, and Kong were around, no question. Gail Kim is the lone guiding light in the Knockouts division. Love's skills regressed. Velvet is more experienced than Rosa Mendes but has the same skill level. Madison is average in every way. Brittany looks lost without someone to carry her which only one person who can do that. Taryn can work hardcore but falls apart working standard matches. Rebel is so inexperienced that they don't trust her in matches and made her a valet. The jury's is still out on Havok. Grading the current roster on its own standards, it's C- with Kim. A D- without her. Having seen Havok pre TNA, she's the best one there. Hamada never worked out because she was lazy to the point she gained weight, Melissa's Alissa Flash gimmick went nowhere, Roxxi retired to become a fitness coach and not long after Kong left TNA and joined WWE, she became pregnant. Gail Kim is in her twilight years and Havok will probably go over her at Bound for Glory. With TNA probably bringing in Kay Lee Ray as well, even through periods of transition their womens roster is still better than the divas IMO. Taryn has only been wrestling 18 months to 2 years, she's got the right attitude, and she'll improve under the right guidance. A number of people look good pre-TNA like Brittney but fail to live up to that. Hamada lazy? Seriously? Who cares that Hamada's looks when her skills were top notch. For someone whose supposedly in her "twilight", Gail is in the top 5 in TNA as far as talent. During the glory days of the Knockouts, they were praised for the wrestling, diversity, and treatment of women. Now, it's flash yo tits and ass for pops or taking stunt bumps to make the crowd care. Grade the Knockouts own their own. Even grading them against the current Divas crop, they come up short.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Sept 9, 2014 16:20:09 GMT -5
They were chanting it during a horrible knockouts title match. So no, the chant is still massively invalid if they thought that was worth a chant. You're in a minority, it doesn't compare to the ladder match, but it was still a good TV match. Yeah, while it wasn't as good as the Last KO Standing match between them or some of the better KO matches, it was by no means horrible. Plus, the reason I think those fans were chanting that has less to do with the actual talent of the divas & KO's and more to do with the shitty booking of the divas division over the years(while they occasionally have good matches on shows like Main Event & NXT, what most people see is the crap on Raw & Smackdown, which again, is more because of the bad booking than the actual talent of the divas).
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Post by Ryushinku on Sept 9, 2014 16:41:37 GMT -5
It is pretty depressing that, odd match aside on Impact, PPV or NXT, about the only difference you could usually tell between a Divas and a Knockouts match is that the Knockouts get an extra three minutes or so to heatlessly fumble about out there.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Sept 9, 2014 16:45:20 GMT -5
Having seen Havok pre TNA, she's the best one there. Hamada never worked out because she was lazy to the point she gained weight, Melissa's Alissa Flash gimmick went nowhere, Roxxi retired to become a fitness coach and not long after Kong left TNA and joined WWE, she became pregnant. Gail Kim is in her twilight years and Havok will probably go over her at Bound for Glory. With TNA probably bringing in Kay Lee Ray as well, even through periods of transition their womens roster is still better than the divas IMO. Taryn has only been wrestling 18 months to 2 years, she's got the right attitude, and she'll improve under the right guidance. A number of people look good pre-TNA like Brittney but fail to live up to that. Hamada lazy? Seriously? Who cares that Hamada's looks when her skills were top notch. For someone whose supposedly in her "twilight", Gail is in the top 5 in TNA as far as talent. During the glory days of the Knockouts, they were praised for the wrestling, diversity, and treatment of women. Now, it's flash yo tits and ass for pops or taking stunt bumps to make the crowd care. Grade the Knockouts own their own. Even grading them against the current Divas crop, they come up short. Havok or AJ - I'd pick Havok every time, promo ability (she literally is the female Bray Wyatt) and in the ring, far superior by a huge margin, yes Hamada was lazy and sloppy far cry from her days in GAEA Japan go watch her then, you only have to google about every so often she has a bad attitude. With WWE its lesbian innuendos and bad actresses. Gail is 37 or 38 years old, that is uncharted territory for womens wrestling. Santana Garrett aka Brittany is a fantastic worker and has some good stuff coming up with Samuel Shaw, her and Havok have a bit of history too, but Havok is one of the best female wrestlers in the world today and is obviously being built like a killer and the new face of the KO division. If WWE did stunt bumps or had longer time they'd be praised, if TNA does it they're mindless morons which they do all the time, its a criticism that doesn't hold any legs.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 9, 2014 17:19:37 GMT -5
A number of people look good pre-TNA like Brittney but fail to live up to that. Hamada lazy? Seriously? Who cares that Hamada's looks when her skills were top notch. For someone whose supposedly in her "twilight", Gail is in the top 5 in TNA as far as talent. During the glory days of the Knockouts, they were praised for the wrestling, diversity, and treatment of women. Now, it's flash yo tits and ass for pops or taking stunt bumps to make the crowd care. Grade the Knockouts own their own. Even grading them against the current Divas crop, they come up short. Havok or AJ - I'd pick Havok every time, promo ability (she literally is the female Bray Wyatt) and in the ring, far superior by a huge margin, yes Hamada was lazy and sloppy far cry from her days in GAEA Japan go watch her then, you only have to google about every so often she has a bad attitude. With WWE its lesbian innuendos and bad actresses. Gail is 37 or 38 years old, that is uncharted territory for womens wrestling. Santana Garrett aka Brittany is a fantastic worker and has some good stuff coming up with Samuel Shaw, her and Havok have a bit of history too, but Havok is one of the best female wrestlers in the world today and is obviously being built like a killer and the new face of the KO division. If WWE did stunt bumps or had longer time they'd be praised, if TNA does it they're mindless morons which they do all the time, its a criticism that doesn't hold any legs. Wait....Havok hasn't wrestled a damn match yet. WWE has lesbian innuendos?? WTF has TNA been doing. Brittany wasn't just doing that a month ago. You say she's a fantastic worker? Great when do we get to see that on TNA. All I have seen is the definition of generic. Sorry you are just projecting what "could be" or "might be" on what is. Right now in terms of actual wrestling presented on screen, to call it "good" in any way is just incorrect. Potentially...maybe. Right now...hell no With TNA it's always "oh what's coming" or "wait till you see this". It never f***ing delivers. Goes the same the other way. "OMG worst segment ever, worst match ever" watch it and go....yeah that was bad, but worst ever...no. The chant was during a half assed Knockouts match. It was a couple of people...wasn't the whole crowd, it was a small part of it. Probably the same people that were chanting "Thank you Dexter" during Shaw's run in. Sorry if you line up the present Diva's and Knockouts from 1 to whatever and match em up in terms of what has been presented to us in terms of wrestling and characters on screen. It's not even close.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Sept 9, 2014 17:59:31 GMT -5
Havok or AJ - I'd pick Havok every time, promo ability (she literally is the female Bray Wyatt) and in the ring, far superior by a huge margin, yes Hamada was lazy and sloppy far cry from her days in GAEA Japan go watch her then, you only have to google about every so often she has a bad attitude. With WWE its lesbian innuendos and bad actresses. Gail is 37 or 38 years old, that is uncharted territory for womens wrestling. Santana Garrett aka Brittany is a fantastic worker and has some good stuff coming up with Samuel Shaw, her and Havok have a bit of history too, but Havok is one of the best female wrestlers in the world today and is obviously being built like a killer and the new face of the KO division. If WWE did stunt bumps or had longer time they'd be praised, if TNA does it they're mindless morons which they do all the time, its a criticism that doesn't hold any legs. Wait.... Havok hasn't wrestled a damn match yet. WWE has lesbian innuendos?? WTF has TNA been doing. Brittany wasn't just doing that a month ago. You say she's a fantastic worker? Great when do we get to see that on TNA. All I have seen is the definition of generic. Sorry you are just projecting what "could be" or "might be" on what is. Right now in terms of actual wrestling presented on screen, to call it "good" in any way is just incorrect. Potentially...maybe. Right now...hell no With TNA it's always "oh what's coming" or "wait till you see this". It never f***ing delivers. Goes the same the other way. "OMG worst segment ever, worst match ever" watch it and go....yeah that was bad, but worst ever...no. The chant was during a half assed Knockouts match. It was a couple of people...wasn't the whole crowd, it was a small part of it. Probably the same people that were chanting "Thank you Dexter" during Shaw's run in. Sorry if you line up the present Diva's and Knockouts from 1 to whatever and match em up in terms of what has been presented to us in terms of wrestling and characters on screen. It's not even close. Yes she has. I never liked the Brittany/Madison storyline either. Brittany is very good for the short time she has been wrestling, she is definitely better when it comes to in the ring stuff and the stuff with Samuel Shaw is going to be great, even Alvarez has praised that. It doesn't deliver to you, but Havok's debut and Gail/Taryn sure delivered to me and again was praised by respective reviewers, they got Paige/AJ PPV time on TV. They've been chanting Dexter ever since Shaw debuted stalking Christy. AJ vs Havok - I would take Havok all day long, superior in the ring and charisma personified Paige vs Kay Lee Ray - Even match up, these two are actually good friends but I'd take Paige just for the experience, but KLR is fantastic. Gail Kim vs Natalya - Gail, definitely. Angelina Love vs Naomi - Angelina Love anyday, take the gymnastics out of Naomi's repertoire and there isn't much there. Emma vs Madison Rayne - Madison Rayne very solid worker and been a fan of hers since her days tagging with Neveah, I do like Emma though bad gimmick. So there is a few comparisons.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 9, 2014 18:03:03 GMT -5
Wait.... Havok hasn't wrestled a damn match yet. WWE has lesbian innuendos?? WTF has TNA been doing. Brittany wasn't just doing that a month ago. You say she's a fantastic worker? Great when do we get to see that on TNA. All I have seen is the definition of generic. Sorry you are just projecting what "could be" or "might be" on what is. Right now in terms of actual wrestling presented on screen, to call it "good" in any way is just incorrect. Potentially...maybe. Right now...hell no With TNA it's always "oh what's coming" or "wait till you see this". It never f***ing delivers. Goes the same the other way. "OMG worst segment ever, worst match ever" watch it and go....yeah that was bad, but worst ever...no. The chant was during a half assed Knockouts match. It was a couple of people...wasn't the whole crowd, it was a small part of it. Probably the same people that were chanting "Thank you Dexter" during Shaw's run in. Sorry if you line up the present Diva's and Knockouts from 1 to whatever and match em up in terms of what has been presented to us in terms of wrestling and characters on screen. It's not even close. Yes she has. I never liked the Brittany/Madison storyline either. Brittany is very good for the short time she has been wrestling, she is definitely better when it comes to in the ring stuff and the stuff with Samuel Shaw is going to be great, even Alvarez has praised that. It doesn't deliver to you, but Havok's debut and Gail/Taryn sure delivered to me and again was praised by respective reviewers, they got Paige/AJ PPV time on TV. They've been chanting Dexter ever since Shaw debuted stalking Christy. AJ vs Havok - I would take Havok all day long, superior in the ring and charisma personified Paige vs Kay Lee Ray - Even match up, these two are actually good friends but I'd take Paige just for the experience, but KLR is fantastic. Gail Kim vs Natalya - Gail, definitely. Angelina Love vs Naomi - Angelina Love anyday, take the gymnastics out of Naomi's repertoire and there isn't much there. Emma vs Madison Rayne - Madison Rayne very solid worker and been a fan of hers since her days tagging with Neveah, I do like Emma though bad gimmick. So there is a few comparisons. Havok has wrestled a match for TNA on TV? Not being snarky but did I miss it? Kay Lee Ray? Who's that. She's wrestled for TNA on TV? That's the thing I'm talking about, projection not reality. The Brittany, Shaw stuff....hasn't happened. We're talking about here, right now, the show as presented. I'm not going to base an opinion on who is better and who isn't off stuff that hasn't even been shown yet. I'm sure as hell not going to base my opinion of journalists who make Soap Opera Digest writers look credible.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Sept 9, 2014 18:06:40 GMT -5
Yes she has. I never liked the Brittany/Madison storyline either. Brittany is very good for the short time she has been wrestling, she is definitely better when it comes to in the ring stuff and the stuff with Samuel Shaw is going to be great, even Alvarez has praised that. It doesn't deliver to you, but Havok's debut and Gail/Taryn sure delivered to me and again was praised by respective reviewers, they got Paige/AJ PPV time on TV. They've been chanting Dexter ever since Shaw debuted stalking Christy. AJ vs Havok - I would take Havok all day long, superior in the ring and charisma personified Paige vs Kay Lee Ray - Even match up, these two are actually good friends but I'd take Paige just for the experience, but KLR is fantastic. Gail Kim vs Natalya - Gail, definitely. Angelina Love vs Naomi - Angelina Love anyday, take the gymnastics out of Naomi's repertoire and there isn't much there. Emma vs Madison Rayne - Madison Rayne very solid worker and been a fan of hers since her days tagging with Neveah, I do like Emma though bad gimmick. So there is a few comparisons. Havok has wrestled a match for TNA on TV? Not being snarky but did I miss it? Kay Lee Ray? Who's that. She's wrestled for TNA on TV? That's the thing I'm talking about, projection not reality. The Brittany, Shaw stuff....hasn't happened. We're talking about here, right now, the show as presented. I'm not going to base an opinion on who is better and who isn't off stuff that hasn't even been shown yet. Yes she was on a One Night Only show against Madison Rayne thats when they decided to sign her along with Madison pitching. She will be coming up she's from Scotland (although currently based in England), she's one of the best female wrestlers in Europe at 22 years old. Well they're going for a Fatal Attraction type of scenario. I know and again even in transition, I'd take the KO's, and dump Velvet Sky who has regressed so badly.
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