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Post by bluemeii on Sept 9, 2014 22:03:22 GMT -5
I've said from the beginning I know little about her. She was on a single ONO special and did a squash on last weeks show. I've also said great you like her, wonderful. I looked a couple of her matches up and she was in one for 30 seconds out of a 15 minute clip and the match with Reby Sky that she has on her channel looked like a half speed yawnfest ending in a shitty DQ where she spent half the match trying to keep her boobs from falling out. Sorry wasn't impressed. No I'm not going to look up any more of her matches. I'm just going to judge her for what she does on TV. Done doing homework on wrestlers then they get on TV and do nothing but disappoint. This way if she gets the ball and runs with it great. If she gets the ball and fumbles I don't have any preconceived notions about how great she is. I'm sick of hearing how great X or Z wrestler is and they show up and choke on their big break. She can just prove it to me. Well you've just said you know nothing about her, so your opinion isn't really going to be taken seriously. the Reby Sky matches are years old and way before what she is now, so no you still don't have a valid argument, plus how can you make a judgement out of 30 seconds? Its a counter productive argument. Well there is a reason why they signed her, and there is a reason she is being booked like a killer, Meltzer does know more than you and has been around for 30 years, so I would take his word for it nothing to do with the 'Net'. Just because you are a fan of the Divas, failing to grasp they are not the best at what they do just because they have the bigger stage. Havok is being regarded as the best thing in the KO division in many years, I agree with that, don't like, don't watch, simples. I've based my opinion off of what I've seen. I said earlier in this thread that I JUST WATCHED 2 of her matches and 1 she was barely in and the other was not good. Please do not deign to tell me if I have a valid argument or not. I based my thoughts on her from what I've seen. Did I say she sucked no. What I've seen though she did not impress at all. I said I would base a final opinion off how she performs once she is wrestling on TNA Impact. My opinion now is that she did not impress me and if you saw, I said that should would be given a chance based off of what she does when she shows up on Impact. What is the problem with this. Do you not read what I wrote. Just because I do not bow down at the alter of Havok already does not make my opinion invalid. It just makes it different then yours. And honestly, who the hell cares what some "wrestling journalist" thinks of the show. Seriously, it's one persons opinion. If you let one man's opinion sway your thoughts on something like wrestling you've got some serious questions you need to ask yourself.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Sept 9, 2014 22:08:27 GMT -5
Well you've just said you know nothing about her, so your opinion isn't really going to be taken seriously. the Reby Sky matches are years old and way before what she is now, so no you still don't have a valid argument, plus how can you make a judgement out of 30 seconds? Its a counter productive argument. Well there is a reason why they signed her, and there is a reason she is being booked like a killer, Meltzer does know more than you and has been around for 30 years, so I would take his word for it nothing to do with the 'Net'. Just because you are a fan of the Divas, failing to grasp they are not the best at what they do just because they have the bigger stage. Havok is being regarded as the best thing in the KO division in many years, I agree with that, don't like, don't watch, simples. I've based my opinion off of what I've seen. I said earlier in this thread that I JUST WATCHED 2 of her matches and 1 she was barely in and the other was not good. Please do not deign to tell me if I have a valid argument or not. I based my thoughts on her from what I've seen. Did I say she sucked no. What I've seen though she did not impress at all. I said I would base an opinion off how she performs once she is wrestling on TNA Impact. My opinion is that she did not impress me and if you saw, I said that should would be given a chance based off of what she does when she shoes up on Impact. What is the problem with this. Do you not read what I wrote. Just because I do not bow down at the alter of Havok already does not make my opinion invalid. It just makes it different then yours. Then don't talk in the context of fact if it is your opinion or for the sake of being a contrarian, since you know nothing about her or her career as you have said.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 9, 2014 22:13:39 GMT -5
I've based my opinion off of what I've seen. I said earlier in this thread that I JUST WATCHED 2 of her matches and 1 she was barely in and the other was not good. Please do not deign to tell me if I have a valid argument or not. I based my thoughts on her from what I've seen. Did I say she sucked no. What I've seen though she did not impress at all. I said I would base an opinion off how she performs once she is wrestling on TNA Impact. My opinion is that she did not impress me and if you saw, I said that should would be given a chance based off of what she does when she shoes up on Impact. What is the problem with this. Do you not read what I wrote. Just because I do not bow down at the alter of Havok already does not make my opinion invalid. It just makes it different then yours. Then don't talk in the context of fact if it is your opinion or for the sake of being a contrarian, since you know nothing about her or her career as you have said. Please explain to me where I stated that she sucked as a fact. It's a message board discussing opinions. If it has to be explained every time that when someone says something that it's their opinion then I don't know what to tell you. Contrarian no....I have my own eyeballs and own opinions. I know what I saw. And what I saw doesn't impress or do you really have a hard time understanding that.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 9, 2014 22:17:55 GMT -5
Dammit people, settle your teakettles.
Goddamit, I quoted Nattie! Do you people see what you made me do? Nattie! FFS, you've driven me to that.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Sept 9, 2014 22:19:25 GMT -5
Then don't talk in the context of fact if it is your opinion or for the sake of being a contrarian, since you know nothing about her or her career as you have said. Please explain to me where I stated that she sucked as a fact. It's a message board discussing opinions. If it has to be explained every time that when someone says something that it's their opinion then I don't know what to tell you. Contrarian no....I have my own eyeballs and own opinions. I know what I saw. And what I saw doesn't impress or do you really have a hard time understanding that. You would have said 'Well we will have to wait and see how it pans out with regards to booking' or something similar, instead of completely writing her off trying to make her sound irrelevant, (and yes I have met her personally too) off by implying she sucks because she didn't impress you. As RIC has just said, I think its best if you stay away from me and I'll do the same, as we do not get along.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 9, 2014 22:24:08 GMT -5
Please explain to me where I stated that she sucked as a fact. It's a message board discussing opinions. If it has to be explained every time that when someone says something that it's their opinion then I don't know what to tell you. Contrarian no....I have my own eyeballs and own opinions. I know what I saw. And what I saw doesn't impress or do you really have a hard time understanding that. You would have said 'Well we will have to wait and see how it pans out with regards to booking' or something similar, instead of completely writing her off trying to make her sound irrelevant, (and yes I have met her personally too) off by implying she sucks because she didn't impress you. As RIC has just said, I think its best if you stay away from me and I'll do the same, as we do not get along. By the way I did track down a couple "matches" she had...unfortunately I might have picked a couple bad ones. So until she proves otherwise she's just a big girl with a gas mask that can do a sidewalk slam. Will she get a chance with me, absolutely, she's got a unique look. Am I proclaiming her the savior of the knockouts division....no cause I got no idea if she's any good and it's not my responsibility to go looking her up to see if she's any good. It's hers and TNA's job to entertain me. I shouldn't have to do homework on the wrestlers just to know if they suck or not. I'll just leave this here and continue to wonder where I buried her by saying she was terrible and wonder why you can't seem to understand that, but continue to put words in my mouth. Done with you.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 9, 2014 23:24:27 GMT -5
I've said from the beginning I know little about her. She was on a single ONO special and did a squash on last weeks show. I've also said great you like her, wonderful. I looked a couple of her matches up and she was in one for 30 seconds out of a 15 minute clip and the match with Reby Sky that she has on her channel looked like a half speed yawnfest ending in a shitty DQ where she spent half the match trying to keep her boobs from falling out. Sorry wasn't impressed. No I'm not going to look up any more of her matches. I'm just going to judge her for what she does on TV. Done doing homework on wrestlers then they get on TV and do nothing but disappoint. This way if she gets the ball and runs with it great. If she gets the ball and fumbles I don't have any preconceived notions about how great she is. I'm sick of hearing how great X or Z wrestler is and they show up and choke on their big break. She can just prove it to me. Well you've just said you know nothing about her, so your opinion isn't really going to be taken seriously. the Reby Sky matches are years old and way before what she is now, so no you still don't have a valid argument, plus how can you make a judgement out of 30 seconds? Its a counter productive argument. Well there is a reason why they signed her, and there is a reason she is being booked like a killer, Meltzer does know more than you and has been around for 30 years, so I would take his word for it nothing to do with the 'Net'. Just because you are a fan of the Divas, failing to grasp they are not the best at what they do just because they have the bigger stage. Havok is being regarded as the best thing in the KO division in many years, I agree with that, don't like, don't watch, simples. I don't care what Meltzer thinks. I have been watching pro wrestling for over 35 years. Does that qualify me as a wrestling guru? Maybe I need to start a website or newsletter. He is just like me. Someone who watches pro wrestling and makes judgments on that. You're making this a WWE vs TNA issue. I have no loyalties to any promotion. I think it's foolish to have that mindset. The best thing in the Knockouts division is Gail Kim. Havok got hype. Will she live up to it? Probably. But way too soon to crown her the savior.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 23:36:11 GMT -5
Gail Kim is the only Knockout who deserves "Better than Divas" chants, but she would be equally deserving if there were some chant declaring her better than most of the entire roster of TNA and WWE, male or female.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 9, 2014 23:41:20 GMT -5
Dammit people, settle your teakettles. Goddamit, I quoted Nattie! Do you people see what you made me do? Nattie! FFS, you've driven me to that. Guys, quit stressing Ric out during his birthday year!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 23:42:25 GMT -5
Dammit people, settle your teakettles. Goddamit, I quoted Nattie! Do you people see what you made me do? Nattie! FFS, you've driven me to that. Guys, quit stressing Ric out during his birthday year! He already has enough stress with the other mods ignoring him in favor of Stan Hansen matches despite him wearing his sexiest lingerie.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Sept 10, 2014 0:19:44 GMT -5
Well you've just said you know nothing about her, so your opinion isn't really going to be taken seriously. the Reby Sky matches are years old and way before what she is now, so no you still don't have a valid argument, plus how can you make a judgement out of 30 seconds? Its a counter productive argument. Well there is a reason why they signed her, and there is a reason she is being booked like a killer, Meltzer does know more than you and has been around for 30 years, so I would take his word for it nothing to do with the 'Net'. Just because you are a fan of the Divas, failing to grasp they are not the best at what they do just because they have the bigger stage. Havok is being regarded as the best thing in the KO division in many years, I agree with that, don't like, don't watch, simples. I don't care what Meltzer thinks. I have been watching pro wrestling for over 35 years. Does that qualify me as a wrestling guru? Maybe I need to start a website or newsletter. He is just like me. Someone who watches pro wrestling and makes judgments on that. You're making this a WWE vs TNA issue. I have no loyalties to any promotion. I think it's foolish to have that mindset. The best thing in the Knockouts division is Gail Kim. Havok got hype. Will she live up to it? Probably. But way too soon to crown her the savior.No problem with that, wait and see mode.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Sept 12, 2014 2:30:28 GMT -5
Gotta say that Havok having a brawl that has to be broken up on her second show kinda does a lot to hurt the gimmick.The brawl should have just been Havok jumping Gail backstage and Security having to drag her away to stop murdering Gail.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Sept 12, 2014 5:17:55 GMT -5
Dammit people, settle your teakettles. Goddamit, I quoted Nattie! Do you people see what you made me do? Nattie! FFS, you've driven me to that. Guys, quit stressing Ric out during his birthday year! I thought only Nattie was allowed to have a birthday year. Is it just a select few or does everyone get to have a birthday year? I'm so confused.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Sept 12, 2014 11:55:58 GMT -5
Gotta say that Havok having a brawl that has to be broken up on her second show kinda does a lot to hurt the gimmick.The brawl should have just been Havok jumping Gail backstage and Security having to drag her away to stop murdering Gail. Casual fans will take away from that she chokeslammed the security guard and stole the title and Gail was trying to get it back, only those who over analyse it thinks it hurts the gimmick.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 12, 2014 12:18:45 GMT -5
Gotta say that Havok having a brawl that has to be broken up on her second show kinda does a lot to hurt the gimmick.The brawl should have just been Havok jumping Gail backstage and Security having to drag her away to stop murdering Gail. Casual fans will take away from that she chokeslammed the security guard and stole the title and Gail was trying to get it back, only those who over analyse it thinks it hurts the gimmick. TNA's audience isn't made of casuals. It's as smark as ECW.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Sept 12, 2014 12:31:46 GMT -5
Casual fans will take away from that she chokeslammed the security guard and stole the title and Gail was trying to get it back, only those who over analyse it thinks it hurts the gimmick. TNA's audience isn't made of casuals. It's as smark as ECW. True, but she seems to have made in impression very well in that department.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 12, 2014 12:48:18 GMT -5
Both are shit, but by virtue of having Gail Kim, I'll give the nod to the Knockouts.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 12, 2014 14:34:33 GMT -5
Guys, quit stressing Ric out during his birthday year! He already has enough stress with the other mods ignoring him in favor of Stan Hansen matches despite him wearing his sexiest lingerie. *sniff* no matter what I try! I can never pull off a cowboy hat.
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Post by Dshuks on Sept 12, 2014 14:49:44 GMT -5
Both are shit, but by virtue of having Gail Kim, I'll give the nod to the Knockouts. Gail's great but her alone is not enough to make up for the talent gap between the two company's female rosters Even not counting NXT WWE has Aj, Paige, Natalya , and Naomi who are capable of having great matches without the crutch of hardcore spots . WWE also has The Bellas, Summer Rae, Layla, and Alicia who are all at least solid in the ring . Outside of Gail TNA only has Havok and Madison who are above average. I personally think Havok is really overrated and most people are just caught up with her "anti-diva" look. Same thing happened with Daffney and Mschif in that they had gimmicks that people liked so their shortcomings as wrestlers were ignored ( Daffney more-so). I also think Gail hasn't really proven she can have a great technical, fast paced, back and forth wrestling match . Honestly the KO's division has never been impressive in terms of technical wrestling or innovation except for 2009 when they had the likes of Hamada, Sarita, Taylor, and Melissa and even then they weren't given much time.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Sept 12, 2014 16:21:08 GMT -5
He already has enough stress with the other mods ignoring him in favor of Stan Hansen matches despite him wearing his sexiest lingerie. *sniff* no matter what I try! I can never pull off a cowboy hat. Maybe you should try ass-less chaps instead of lingerie.
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