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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 26, 2014 20:15:14 GMT -5
Except it isn't presented that way at all. And I have seen people say no and end up being harassed relentlessly for it. Hell, I saw some one say they donated but didn't do the bucket because it was a waste of water, and they were verbally abused. Who ever does does the challenging. It is chain letter bullying/persuasion. Yeah, poor able-bodied people with dispensable income. So you are saying that a persons' station in life makes it acceptable to bully them. Nice dude, nice.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 26, 2014 20:17:45 GMT -5
Yeah, poor able-bodied people with dispensable income. So you are saying that a persons' station in life makes it acceptable to bully them. Nice dude, nice. No I'm saying that it won't kill them to donate a little bit of their disposable income to help research a cure for a disease that ruins people's lives. Nice to see we have an expert mindreader on this board who can somehow pull assumptions about other people's opinions out of their ass. Enjoy the ignore list, troll.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 26, 2014 20:22:36 GMT -5
So you are saying that a persons' station in life makes it acceptable to bully them. Nice dude, nice. No I'm saying that it won't kill them to donate a little bit of their disposable income to help research a cure for a disease that ruins people's lives. Nice to see we have an expert mindreader on this board who can somehow pull assumptions about other people's opinions out of their ass. Enjoy the ignore list, troll. No mind reading involved, you straight up implied it by talking about them being able bodied and having disposable income and "it wont kill them to donate". I didn't troll a damned thing. And I have never said a bad thing about the donating, my issue is the approach/wording. Plus the fact we will see copy cats left and right.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 26, 2014 20:49:28 GMT -5
FWIW, one of my relatives flat out said she wouldn't do it for anyone who challenged her, and no one minded at all.
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Post by Sparkybob on Aug 26, 2014 21:04:23 GMT -5
FWIW, one of my relatives flat out said she wouldn't do it for anyone who challenged her, and no one minded at all. Yup my mom too. I did it yesterday and didn't donate to ALS research (due to my personal stuff) but did donate to Make a Wish and a clean water organization.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 26, 2014 21:07:49 GMT -5
FWIW, one of my relatives flat out said she wouldn't do it for anyone who challenged her, and no one minded at all. And that is the way it should be. The stuff that gets me is when it is not that way.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Aug 27, 2014 1:20:29 GMT -5
I'm going to start my own thing for diabetes research and pour a bucket of Coca-Cola over my head.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 1:28:16 GMT -5
me personally, I'd do it even if not challenged, if I had the means to donate. but I don't, and that's the only thing stopping me. I dislike anyone that declines to do it, that can donate, and just calls it a stupid fad when it's on the contrary. and AFN: Judge Shred, as someone who actually has been bullied, I take issue with you calling the challenge "bullying" when it isn't.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 27, 2014 1:39:38 GMT -5
me personally, I'd do it even if not challenged, if I had the means to donate. but I don't, and that's the only thing stopping me. I dislike anyone that declines to do it, that can donate, and just calls it a stupid fad when it's on the contrary. and AFN: Judge Shred, as someone who actually has been bullied, I take issue with you calling the challenge "bullying" when it isn't. As someone who helps kids deal with bullying (on both sides of it) as part of my job, it is dang near the text book definition to tell tell some one "do it or else". All I am saying is semantically, the phrasing is wrong. That is my entire issue with it, a few words. it can set a precedent that it is ok to go about things that way and it is not. Oh, and I have been a victim of bullying, along with 50% of my coworkers at one point. I know what it looks like.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 1:40:39 GMT -5
My issue with it is that the challenge is the "donate $10 and dump ice water on yourself or else donate $100". The whole "you have to do one or the other" as it is presented comes off as a bullying tactic. And that pisses me off. I just would prefer it was rephrased and offered other options. But phrasing it so there is no out, is super shitty. I do believe in awareness for ALS though as my grandfather had it. And from a marketing stand point this is brilliant. Just don't try to make people who don't do either feel like shit. Also, there are stats out there about how this stuff has made the drought in California worse. Who is forcing who to do what? You can dump water on your head and donate one hundred dollars. No one said that's not an option. There are several water to money ratios that can play out. If you make an adult decision not to pay and can't take a little heat for it how much can you really stand by that decision? I'm not saying that to pressure you or anyone into doing one thing or another, just saying if you think whatever choice you made is the right one then you should be able to stand by it in spite of the consequences. I wish we could refrain as a society from calling any semblance of conflict bullying, especially between adults. I myself am a curmudgeon so I'll fess up to being annoyed by the influx of ALS water challenge videos that I can't avoid. I'm a natural pessimist and I can't help but be annoyed by narcissists who don't even know why they're doing it before appreciating those who are actually doing it in the interest of charity and awareness. I realize it's irrational of me but that's my instinctual reaction. At any rate it's cool that it has been so successful.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Aug 27, 2014 1:53:28 GMT -5
Australian newscaster politely refused Ice Bucket challenge on air:
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 27, 2014 1:53:54 GMT -5
My issue with it is that the challenge is the "donate $10 and dump ice water on yourself or else donate $100". The whole "you have to do one or the other" as it is presented comes off as a bullying tactic. And that pisses me off. I just would prefer it was rephrased and offered other options. But phrasing it so there is no out, is super shitty. I do believe in awareness for ALS though as my grandfather had it. And from a marketing stand point this is brilliant. Just don't try to make people who don't do either feel like shit. Also, there are stats out there about how this stuff has made the drought in California worse. Who is forcing who to do what? You can dump water on your head and donate one hundred dollars. No one said that's not an option. There are several water to money ratios that can play out. If you make an adult decision not to pay and can't take a little heat for it how much can you really stand by that decision? I'm not saying that to pressure you or anyone into doing one thing or another, just saying if you think whatever choice you made is the right one then you should be able to stand by it in spite of the consequences. I wish we could refrain as a society from calling any semblance of conflict bullying, especially between adults. I myself am a curmudgeon so I'll fess up to being annoyed by the influx of ALS water challenge videos that I can't avoid. I'm a natural pessimist and I can't help but be annoyed by narcissists who don't even know why they're doing it before appreciating those who are actually doing it in the interest of charity and awareness. I realize it's irrational of me but that's my instinctual reaction. At any rate it's cool that it has been so successful. No one should give you heat for those types of decisions. There should be no "consequences" anyone should have to stand for at all. I saw someone tell a person who didn't do it "they should die" and "I pray for you to get ALS". That is not ok, and it is damn well bullying adult or otherwise.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 27, 2014 1:57:54 GMT -5
Doug Stanhope covered this pretty well on his last album, before this was even a thing. His point was, if you have the cash to donate to the cure, just do it, don't make people perform tricks to do it.
I'll post the audio again........language warning.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 2:08:31 GMT -5
me personally, I'd do it even if not challenged, if I had the means to donate. but I don't, and that's the only thing stopping me. I dislike anyone that declines to do it, that can donate, and just calls it a stupid fad when it's on the contrary. and AFN: Judge Shred, as someone who actually has been bullied, I take issue with you calling the challenge "bullying" when it isn't. As someone who helps kids deal with bullying (on both sides of it) as part of my job, it is dang near the text book definition to tell tell some one "do it or else". All I am saying is semantically, the phrasing is wrong. That is my entire issue with it, a few words. it can set a precedent that it is ok to go about things that way and it is not. Oh, and I have been a victim of bullying, along with 50% of my coworkers at one point. I know what it looks like. it isn't saying "do it or else". that's my point.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 27, 2014 2:12:41 GMT -5
As someone who helps kids deal with bullying (on both sides of it) as part of my job, it is dang near the text book definition to tell tell some one "do it or else". All I am saying is semantically, the phrasing is wrong. That is my entire issue with it, a few words. it can set a precedent that it is ok to go about things that way and it is not. Oh, and I have been a victim of bullying, along with 50% of my coworkers at one point. I know what it looks like. it isn't saying "do it or else". that's my point. A Guy walks up to you, stares you down, says give me $100 or I dump a bucket of ice water on your head and take $10 bucks anyway. Not bullying? Ok, maybe assault and theft. Still, it is shitty.
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Post by 67 more on Aug 27, 2014 2:12:47 GMT -5
I've donated money without ice bucketing.
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Post by ayumidah on Aug 27, 2014 2:45:31 GMT -5
I did it and forgot to mention most of the things about donating for ASL research *wince* but I put the information in the description where I uploaded it, so I guess it's something.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 3:41:07 GMT -5
it isn't saying "do it or else". that's my point. A Guy walks up to you, stares you down, says give me $100 or I dump a bucket of ice water on your head and take $10 bucks anyway. Not bullying? Ok, maybe assault and theft. Still, it is shitty. wow. comparing a serious situation to asking people nicely to donate to charity is NOT IN ANY WAY cool. the situation you described is not even remotely similar.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 27, 2014 3:52:46 GMT -5
A Guy walks up to you, stares you down, says give me $100 or I dump a bucket of ice water on your head and take $10 bucks anyway. Not bullying? Ok, maybe assault and theft. Still, it is shitty. wow. comparing a serious situation to asking people nicely to donate to charity is NOT IN ANY WAY cool. the situation you described is not even remotely similar. Except for being the exact same, you are right, not similar at all.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 27, 2014 3:56:28 GMT -5
wow. comparing a serious situation to asking people nicely to donate to charity is NOT IN ANY WAY cool. the situation you described is not even remotely similar. Except for being the exact same, you are right, not similar at all. You're forgetting the warm fuzzy feeling you get for having everyone watch you be such a wonderful person. You know who I donate to? No, you don't, because I don't f***ing broadcast it.
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