AFN: Judge Shred
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 27, 2014 12:45:15 GMT -5
A Guy walks up to you, stares you down, says give me $100 or I dump a bucket of ice water on your head and take $10 bucks anyway. Not bullying? Ok, maybe assault and theft. Still, it is shitty. I'm sorry, what? If you don't want to donate, you don't have to donate. You're not being shaken down and robbed, nobody's forcing you to donate if you can't afford it/don't want to. Comparing it to assault or theft when you're choosing to do it is silly. I am guessing you haven't read the rest of the conversation. I have seen people challenged to it and when they refused were told to die. I am not saying the challenge is under threat, rather it can be construed that way and in fact has been. That is my problem. You're forgetting the warm fuzzy feeling you get for having everyone watch you be such a wonderful person. You know who I donate to? No, you don't, because I don't f***ing broadcast it. Which does a great job of making sure no one even knows about the charity or illness. Raising money is only part of it, a lot of people don't even know what the f*** ALS is, and donations were much higher this year. Doug's a funny guy, but he's got it wrong, in my opinion. That said, it's your cash, you do with it as you please, but getting the word out does make a difference. Dude, he isn't saying don't create awareness. He is saying it isn't necessary to tell everyone who you donate to. You can say "hey, you guys should look in to ALS and see if you'd like to donate". For a lot of people who they donate to is a personal thing. But there are other factors. I used to hold events for beaten women and abandoned kids. And was asked every time "why do you support them, they brought it on themselves", Seriously. So yeah, for me it is like talking about religion or politics here.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 27, 2014 12:49:50 GMT -5
Dude, he isn't saying don't create awareness. He is saying it isn't necessary to tell everyone who you donate to. You can say "hey, you guys should look in to ALS and see if you'd like to donate". For a lot of people who they donate to is a personal thing. But there are other factors. I used to hold events for beaten women and abandoned kids. And was asked every time "why do you support them, they brought it on themselves", Seriously. So yeah, for me it is like talking about religion or politics here. Saying the latter is pretty much identical to saying that you've supported them, though. No one is going to create awareness for a cause that they don't support, unless ordered to by the courts at least. That and the Doug Stanhope sketch he linked to did say that creating awareness was the same as doing nothing.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 27, 2014 13:08:00 GMT -5
I did it yesterday with a bunch of my co-workers. As much as I hate awareness campaigns, I feel this one actually has worked out. I also did donate $100 after getting the ice bucket.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 13:12:26 GMT -5
I did it yesterday with a bunch of my co-workers. As much as I hate awareness campaigns, I feel this one actually has worked out. I also did donate $100 after getting the ice bucket. The reason this one is different is because prior to it, very few people were aware of ALS or what it does. It's why I support this as opposed to say, autism awareness campaigns that don't accomplish anything at all.
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Post by Digital Witness on Sept 2, 2014 14:19:17 GMT -5
Lance Storm on the Ice Bucket ChallengeI feel this is worth posting here, and I can agree with what Lance has to say about it. I think those who donate are being swindled, partially cause they don't do their research and partially because "everybody else is doing it".
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Post by crabbymelt on Sept 2, 2014 14:28:26 GMT -5
I can speak from personal experience here when I say that if you truly want your donation to count for something, get on gofundme and choose a physical person to support. Your money will go to PAY BILLS or whatever a family needs because that is incredibly important! Research support is great and all, but patients and families of patients need every red cent. Even those with the best insurance take a hit financially. Also, it's worth noting that when a stranger donates directly to you, it reminds you that humanity doesn't suck in a time where it sure seems that way.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 2, 2014 16:25:29 GMT -5
Lance Storm on the Ice Bucket ChallengeI feel this is worth posting here, and I can agree with what Lance has to say about it. I think those who donate are being swindled, partially cause they don't do their research and partially because "everybody else is doing it". Eh, it's just Lance Storm being his usual contrary self, like he was during the NLI Fighting Back stream. Yes, the ALSA only has 28% of its budget devoted to research. This is because they are not purely a charity dedicated to research. As well as trying to find a cure, one of their primary motivations is helping the lives of those who have ALS now, and professional education and political campaigning to make life more tolerable for those with the condition. Charity Navigator say that ALSA donate roughly 73% of their budget to the actual work they do, with only 18% going to administration, and the rest on fundraising. Their top executives are paid less than half than that of the Susan Komen charity. There are people online who suffer from ALS who have said how they've been approached by ALSA to help them with projects like making their homes more accessible that would have been too expensive to fund before, but now ALSA actually have the budget to properly help them. It's not like they're just putting all the money into a Scrooge McDuck style pit and bathing in it. Perhaps the most ridiculous part of Storm's post is the smug assertion that he's better because he's going to go to a smaller ALS charity. Because that money wouldn't have gone to an ALS fund in particular without the awareness raised by the Ice Bucket Challenge! At the end of the day, I'll take the word of Stephen Hawking, who suffers from the disease and urged people to donate to the MNDA (the British equivalent of the ALSA) over Storm's usual paranoia about doing anything charitable, even if it's just retweeting a link to a comedy wrestling stream.
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Post by Larryhausen on Sept 3, 2014 0:24:46 GMT -5
I have nothing to add to this except a cute, possibly offensive story.
One of the old managers at my job passed from ALS about five years ago. When this whole thing got rolling, the guy that took his position got challenged. "I probably wouldn't have done it, but....Marc."
This got us theorizing about getting everyone that worked with Marc to do it all at once. The conversation ended with "Yeah, but you know Marc, as soon as we all do it, his ghost would show up and say ''What the hell is wrong with you guys?!?!? I'm already dead, you just look like a buncha assholes!!!"
Every single person we've told this to since just laughs and says "Yup. That's Marc."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 0:52:14 GMT -5
Lance Storm on the Ice Bucket ChallengeI feel this is worth posting here, and I can agree with what Lance has to say about it. I think those who donate are being swindled, partially cause they don't do their research and partially because "everybody else is doing it". I lost all respect for him that I had after he posted this false bullshit. As posted above, look at Charity Navigator or the websites of the organizations themselves, not what a paranoid scientology supporter says about things. Also, his continued use of "Big Pharma" in that stupid rant. You do that and I will not give you the time of day.
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Post by Digital Witness on Sept 3, 2014 1:25:25 GMT -5
I did not realize that Lance Storm had such a bad rap these days. Weird.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 3, 2014 1:31:45 GMT -5
The ice bucket is jut a publicity stunt,a fun way to bring awareness to their cause.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Sept 3, 2014 1:43:16 GMT -5
Like I'm going to take what Lance Storm says seriously, bloke always hates stuff. I did mine last Friday, donated and all is well
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 3, 2014 8:35:02 GMT -5
I like Lance Storm's opinions on wrestling, but the notion that "Smaller = better" in terms of charity just isn't true a lot of the time. Charity is very much an economy of scale. For those that don't know what that is, it's basically an industry where the infrastructure cost is so high that the big groups or businesses have an inherent advantage over a smaller one in making expenditures count. There's a lot of time, effort, and infrastructure that has to go in to making an expenditure meaningful. A large network with a large infrastructure and collection base is going to have better knowledge on, for example, what researchers need and where the money would be best spent, or what tools people suffering from a disease need and where to get them in bulk for cheaper. Smaller groups can have great intentions but they often just have to replicate what the larger groups have already done to do the same thing.
Percentage isn't everything, it's perfectly possible for one group's 28% to go a lot further than another group's 78%.
The most important thing is to not be swindled by fly-by-night charities that pop up to capitalize on a major charity's campaign, like what happens with the Make A Wish foundation. Also, not listening to non-scientists about purely scientific topics.
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