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Post by Red Impact on Sept 13, 2014 13:22:59 GMT -5
I want to agree with you about Dredd but the problem I have with Dredd has everything to do with me seeing The Raid before I saw it. And I agree about Phase 2 in general, though I understand the reasons why the write the movies like that now. Now, with Winter Soldier I do wish he got a little more to do. Though I get writing wise why he didn't. With the way I interpreted the movie it literally was "Captain America: The Winter Soldier." As in Captain America is actually the winter soldier by definition and not...The Winter Soldier. Looking at it that way I didn't have a problem with the nominal Winter Solder being more of a weapon on a leash. I saw the Raid a couple years before I saw Dredd, so enough time passed that it didn't seem too derivative, although the similarities are obvious. But I also have to compare Dredd to Judge Dredd and just marvel how much better the former was with such a smaller budget. In short, I compared Dredd to a lot of things, and most of those made me appreciate it more. For the Subtitle, you could interpret it like that, but does that mean that Thor is also The Dark World?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 13:28:43 GMT -5
I want to agree with you about Dredd but the problem I have with Dredd has everything to do with me seeing The Raid before I saw it. And I agree about Phase 2 in general, though I understand the reasons why the write the movies like that now. Now, with Winter Soldier I do wish he got a little more to do. Though I get writing wise why he didn't. With the way I interpreted the movie it literally was "Captain America: The Winter Soldier." As in Captain America is actually the winter soldier by definition and not...The Winter Soldier. Looking at it that way I didn't have a problem with the nominal Winter Solder being more of a weapon on a leash. I saw the Raid a couple years before I saw Dredd, so enough time passed that it didn't seem too derivative, although the similarities are obvious. But I also have to compare Dredd to Judge Dredd and just marvel how much better the former was with such a smaller budget. In short, I compared Dredd to a lot of things, and most of those made me appreciate it more. For the Subtitle, you could interpret it like that, but does that mean that Thor is also The Dark World? No, it doesn't because one person being "a world" doesn't make sense. ..and also because he's not Dio Brando. But yeah, one has nothing to do with the other.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 13, 2014 13:33:03 GMT -5
I saw the Raid a couple years before I saw Dredd, so enough time passed that it didn't seem too derivative, although the similarities are obvious. But I also have to compare Dredd to Judge Dredd and just marvel how much better the former was with such a smaller budget. In short, I compared Dredd to a lot of things, and most of those made me appreciate it more. For the Subtitle, you could interpret it like that, but does that mean that Thor is also The Dark World? No, it doesn't because one person being "a world" doesn't make sense. ..and also because he's not Dio Brando. But yeah, one has nothing to do with the other. What do you mean one person being a world doesn't make sense? Anti-humanoplanitist!
...Damn, now I want an Ego cameo in Guardians 2
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Post by mattperiolat on Sept 13, 2014 18:11:02 GMT -5
Great movie. Maybe my favorite SH movie in the last few years. But this was NOT okay, Marvel {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Someone cutting up onions around here? Hmmm... isn't there an Infinity Stone based on time out there? Sorry, my comic lore is rusty and I am just thinking out loud.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Sept 13, 2014 19:29:36 GMT -5
The exact same crap people are complaining about here is what tens of thousands were begging *for* as recently as a few years ago. #internet Odd, I never heard anyone clammer for anything that's been brought up here by the few people who have levied criticisms about the movie. Except for maybe complaining about Hawkeye in general, but that's such a minor thing. Overall though, I always hate this statement when someone makes it. It's such a lazy way to ignore what anyone says by pretending that everyone follows some hive mind and the exact people who are criticizing something now were those who were clamoring for the same thing before. "People said ______" and "People wanted _____" mean jack all, you can find someone who wants anything at all, it makes no difference whatsoever on what any individual person is saying. Not following any hive. Peace out. I'm wrong. You're right. I'll be sure to hate more things that are good in the future. (And to derail appreciation threads.) Duly noted.
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 13, 2014 19:52:38 GMT -5
The score is great too
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 13, 2014 20:05:29 GMT -5
Odd, I never heard anyone clammer for anything that's been brought up here by the few people who have levied criticisms about the movie. Except for maybe complaining about Hawkeye in general, but that's such a minor thing. Overall though, I always hate this statement when someone makes it. It's such a lazy way to ignore what anyone says by pretending that everyone follows some hive mind and the exact people who are criticizing something now were those who were clamoring for the same thing before. "People said ______" and "People wanted _____" mean jack all, you can find someone who wants anything at all, it makes no difference whatsoever on what any individual person is saying. Not following any hive. Peace out. I'm wrong. You're right. I'll be sure to hate more things that are good in the future. (And to derail appreciation threads.) Duly noted. And I'll continue to feel free to discuss a topic on a discussion board thread about said topic, exactly as the topic creator intended, regardless of whether someone mistakenly believes that such a thing is derailing. Have fun. I've been really impressed with the Marvel movie scores. They're not typically iconic in the sense of having an instantly identifiable tune, but they've always been really solid and fit the environment, even when they do the oddball choices like in Guardians.
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 13, 2014 21:17:21 GMT -5
Anything good in the deleted scenes?
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Sept 13, 2014 21:20:01 GMT -5
The main motif they use for Cap is a worthy succession from the first movie's score. As for the deleted scenes, there's one that explains why Cap doesn't have his stealth suit after escaping SHIELD.
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 13, 2014 21:23:18 GMT -5
star spangled man wouldn't have hurt to be in the movie
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 13, 2014 21:35:14 GMT -5
While I like it, and worked well within the parameters of the movie, I still think it's one of the weaker scores in the MCU.
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 13, 2014 21:36:32 GMT -5
for me it's going to be hard to beat GOTG
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Sept 13, 2014 21:38:30 GMT -5
Anything good in the deleted scenes? Not really. There's maybe a total of five minutes of deleted scenes on the DVD/Blu-ray.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Sept 13, 2014 23:15:27 GMT -5
Anything good in the deleted scenes? There is one really oddly shot scene that would have been helpful for the content, but the execution was so out of place with the rest of the movie, including a FPS gun toting bit.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Sept 15, 2014 9:44:37 GMT -5
I love how even the side characters aside from Cap and Black Widow are memorable in their own right. Falcon, Agent 13, Hill, etc. They're all great.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 15, 2014 12:17:56 GMT -5
I want to agree with you about Dredd but the problem I have with Dredd has everything to do with me seeing The Raid before I saw it. And I agree about Phase 2 in general, though I understand the reasons why they write the movies like that now. Now, with Winter Soldier I do wish he got a little more to do. Though I get writing wise why he didn't. With the way I interpreted the movie it literally was "Captain America: The Winter Soldier." As in Captain America is actually the winter soldier by definition and not...The Winter Soldier. Looking at it that way I didn't have a problem with the nominal Winter Solder being more of a weapon on a leash. It's funny you should mention that, especially if you understand the history of the term "Winter Soldier". Basically, the name derives from the Thomas Paine essay "The American Crisis", the speech best known for the opening statement "These are the times that try men's souls", but lesser known for the statement "The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman". In many ways, Captain America, acting against SHIELD and as a fugitive of SHIELD (and basically the US Government), basically is acting as a winter soldier. Note that, with the exception of the notable use by Romanova, no one that actually works with the titular Winter Soldier acutally calls him Winter Soldier; he's usually just referred to as an object, particularly by Crossbones who refers to him as "the product". For the record, I didn't even come up with this. But it kind of makes sense if you think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 12:31:38 GMT -5
I want to agree with you about Dredd but the problem I have with Dredd has everything to do with me seeing The Raid before I saw it. And I agree about Phase 2 in general, though I understand the reasons why they write the movies like that now. Now, with Winter Soldier I do wish he got a little more to do. Though I get writing wise why he didn't. With the way I interpreted the movie it literally was "Captain America: The Winter Soldier." As in Captain America is actually the winter soldier by definition and not...The Winter Soldier. Looking at it that way I didn't have a problem with the nominal Winter Solder being more of a weapon on a leash. It's funny you should mention that, especially if you understand the history of the term "Winter Soldier". Basically, the name derives from the Thomas Paine essay "The American Crisis", the speech best known for the opening statement "These are the times that try men's souls", but lesser known for the statement "The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman". In many ways, Captain America, acting against SHIELD and as a fugitive of SHIELD (and basically the US Government), basically is acting as a winter soldier. Note that, with the exception of the notable use by Romanova, no one that actually works with the titular Winter Soldier acutally calls him Winter Soldier; he's usually just referred to as an object, particularly by Crossbones who refers to him as "the product".For the record, I didn't even come up with this. But it kind of makes sense if you think about it. MAN,I didn't even realize.... It's definitely deliberate. If only one person in-universe even called him that, I'd say that's exactly the point. "The Winter Soldier" in the title refers to Captain America. That's my interpretation and I'm sticking to it, y'all.
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Post by Bad Moon on Sept 17, 2014 16:48:35 GMT -5
It's not quite the best Marvel film, but it's definately the ballsiest. You know all that illegal-ass surveillance everywhere and other assorted violations of civil rights that the American goverment do? Guess what, the people responsible for that are LITERALLY nazis.
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