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Post by Beets by Schrute on Sept 21, 2014 22:04:27 GMT -5
Cena's booking is pretty much a cycle now.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 21, 2014 22:05:08 GMT -5
They announcers never should have been mentioned Brock was going to tap out (not just because Cena was going for a pinfall and it looked like Brock was kicking out anyway) but overall the story pretty much seemed to be despite Cena actually getting offense in this time Brock was pretty much shrugging it all off. No the story was Cena using his fable and feared AA/STF combo. The announcers threw away anything else and shouted at it as you said. Also vintage Cena no sell I meant the match itself was telling the story of Brock shrugging it off... the announcers just weren't selling the story presented. (obvious due to the damned HE ALMOST TAPPED!) But the commentary team being terrible isn't new.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 22:05:09 GMT -5
Annoying, slightly, but eh. I really would prefer that they just had Lesnar beat him, but we're getting one of two outcomes. 1. Cena gets another match, which, while annoying, is really not that big a deal to me. Having Cena get beat clean 3 times in a row would be shitty booking. 2. Cena moves on to feuding with Rollins and is also out of Brock's hair, which I don't have a problem with. I watched initially during the Attitude era. These kinds of endings were to be expected with just about every PPV, so meh, I've been there and done that. No point in getting that upset about it, to me. I agree that I think the outrage is a bit over the top. I think a part of it is that there's a pleasure in watching Cena get slaughtered, and lord knows we deserve to see it and it seems like Cena's slowly breaking that barrier down to a point where we won't get that feeling again. What frustrates me is that this is just one continuous event. If WWE is convinced that Cena has to be the guy to beat Brock, at least take a break and let some other guys challenge Brock, then bring back Cena better than ever and get that win. But to have Brock's entire reign revolve around Cena accomplishes nothing. Cena isn't getting any more or less over.
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Sept 21, 2014 22:06:16 GMT -5
I don't mind that Cena looked strong this time around. It's Cena; you really have to expect this type of thing at some point. Brock still got up from multiple AA's and survived multiple STF's. Cena started to look a little desperate toward the end.
What really sours me on the whole thing is the DQ/cash in fake out crap they pulled. Save that shit for Raw.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 21, 2014 22:06:48 GMT -5
Easy solution to that. Don't do the match again! Lesnar's had roughly ten matches since coming back, why do four of them have to be with Cena? Well then let's see you come up with another opponent for Lesnar for Hell In A Cell that isn't Cena, and I guess isn't Big Show either since everyone here was up in arms about that one too. Exactly, he doesn't exist. Orton. Turns face (tweener) when he sees himself as third in the Authority's pecking order to Rollins and Champion Lesnar. It's a fresh match that hasn't happened since both were newcomers and you play up the fact that unlike Cena, Orton is willing to and will want to go a much darker place in order to beat Brock. There you go. Wasn't that hard.
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Post by xCompackx on Sept 21, 2014 22:07:58 GMT -5
Yes they didn't want Lesnar to kill Cena twice in a row because they wanted to end this feud at Hell In A Cell and having Cena get destroyed again would have meant there'd be no reason to do the match again To be fair, there was very little reason to have this match. They gave us no reason to think John Cena had a chance against Brock and just played up his character as if that helps defend against suplexes.
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Post by Jiren on Sept 21, 2014 22:08:10 GMT -5
Well then let's see you come up with another opponent for Lesnar for Hell In A Cell that isn't Cena, and I guess isn't Big Show either since everyone here was up in arms about that one too. Exactly, he doesn't exist. Orton. Turns face (tweener) when he sees himself as third in the Authority's pecking order to Rollins and Champion Lesnar. It's a fresh match that hasn't happened since both were newcomers and you play up the fact that unlike Cena, Orton is willing to and will want to go a much darker place in order to beat Brock. There you go. Wasn't that hard. I'd go for that Crazy/Dark Orton is great Bland Corporate Orton is the drizzling shits though
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 21, 2014 22:08:12 GMT -5
No the story was Cena using his fable and feared AA/STF combo. The announcers threw away anything else and shouted at it as you said. Also vintage Cena no sell I meant the match itself was telling the story of Brock shrugging it off... the announcers just weren't selling the story presented. (obvious due to the damned HE ALMOST TAPPED!) But the commentary team being terrible isn't new. Which is a constant source of frustration not limited to tonight, sadly. Too many cooks.
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Post by abjordans on Sept 21, 2014 22:09:37 GMT -5
Based on how Cena is booked, I'm 100% convinced that Vince thinks WWE will go under in a matter of days if he shows any weakness. It's like in his mind, if Cena loses twice or sells any of the beaten Brock gives him, the stock will plummet, merch sales will fall, attendance will drop. Hogan and Austin were not this protected and they are bigger draws than Cena ever has been. This is completely and utterly ridiculous and this whole thread is such an overreaction. When did Austin or Hogan EVER get squashed liked Cena did at Summerslam? Hogan in 2002 doesn't count. Cena is supposed to be one of the greatest of all time. In kayfabe he IS at Lesnar's level. They bad an exciting, hard hitting match and the Rollins run in was really exciting. If Lesnar squashes Cena twice in a row, where do you go from there? I think you guys should chill out, you would enjoy things even more. We saw the unthinkable last month. Cena got squashed in the Main Event of Summerslam. It already happened. It isn't realistic to expect it twice. It isn't fair to WWE to do that twice. Brock is a damn badass, but people gave him a run for his money in UFC and even beat him. It is even more unrealistic to expect him to squash everyone in WWE than it is to have some good matches. Cmon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 22:09:39 GMT -5
I don't mind that Cena looked strong this time around. It's Cena; you really have to expect this type of thing at some point. Brock still got up from multiple AA's and survived multiple STF's. Cena started to look a little desperate toward the end. What really sours me on the whole thing is the DQ/cash in fake out crap they pulled. Save that shit for Raw. Yeah, that's the part that really bugs me. Had the same thing gone on but Lesnar counters the last AA and hits the F5 for the win while out of breath or something, fine. It's just the fact that he was lying there dead completely at the mercy of Rollins. That and the fact that Rollins is an idiot who could've waited five seconds and then hit Cena with the briefcase and become champion because of it. Based on how Cena is booked, I'm 100% convinced that Vince thinks WWE will go under in a matter of days if he shows any weakness. It's like in his mind, if Cena loses twice or sells any of the beaten Brock gives him, the stock will plummet, merch sales will fall, attendance will drop. Hogan and Austin were not this protected and they are bigger draws than Cena ever has been. This is completely and utterly ridiculous and this whole thread is such an overreaction. When did Austin or Hogan EVER get squashed liked Cena did at Summerslam? Hogan in 2002 doesn't count. Cena is supposed to be one of the greatest of all time. In kayfabe he IS at Lesnar's level. They bad an exciting, hard hitting match and the Rollins run in was really exciting. If Lesnar squashes Cena twice in a row, where do you go from there? I think you guys should chill out, you would enjoy things even more. We saw the unthinkable last month. Cena got squashed in the Main Event of Summerslam. It already happened. It isn't realistic to expect it twice. It isn't fair to WWE to do that twice. Brock is a damn badass, but people gave him a run for his money in UFC and even beat him. It is even more unrealistic to expect him to squash everyone in WWE than it is to have some good matches. Cmon. It isn't that he went from being squashed to putting up a fight, it's that he went from being squashed to completely having Lesnar at his mercy and dominating the last two or three minutes while acting not at all worse for wear. And to a degree that they ended a PPV with a bullshit DQ ending to build to next month thirteen goddamn years after WCW went out of business partially for constantly pulling that shit. Have him win with a fluke roll-up or have him come close to winning it and just barely fail, whatever, but they did it the single worst way possible short of actually having that fourth AA get the job done. And, "You guys need to have lower standards," is never a good counter-argument.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 21, 2014 22:11:27 GMT -5
Well then let's see you come up with another opponent for Lesnar for Hell In A Cell that isn't Cena, and I guess isn't Big Show either since everyone here was up in arms about that one too. Exactly, he doesn't exist. Orton. Turns face (tweener) when he sees himself as third in the Authority's pecking order to Rollins and Champion Lesnar. It's a fresh match that hasn't happened since both were newcomers and you play up the fact that unlike Cena, Orton is willing to and will want to go a much darker place in order to beat Brock. There you go. Wasn't that hard. No lie, I have wanted that match since Lesnar returned and as each PPV goes by without it I fear more and more it will not happen.
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Post by Jiren on Sept 21, 2014 22:12:15 GMT -5
Based on how Cena is booked, I'm 100% convinced that Vince thinks WWE will go under in a matter of days if he shows any weakness. It's like in his mind, if Cena loses twice or sells any of the beaten Brock gives him, the stock will plummet, merch sales will fall, attendance will drop. Hogan and Austin were not this protected and they are bigger draws than Cena ever has been. This is completely and utterly ridiculous and this whole thread is such an overreaction. When did Austin or Hogan EVER get squashed liked Cena did at Summerslam? Hogan in 2002 doesn't count. Cena is supposed to be one of the greatest of all time. In kayfabe he IS at Lesnar's level. They bad an exciting, hard hitting match and the Rollins run in was really exciting. If Lesnar squashes Cena twice in a row, where do you go from there? I think you guys should chill out, you would enjoy things even more. We saw the unthinkable last month. Cena got squashed in the Main Event of Summerslam. It already happened. It isn't realistic to expect it twice. It isn't fair to WWE to do that twice. Brock is a damn badass, but people gave him a run for his money in UFC and even beat him. It is even more unrealistic to expect him to squash everyone in WWE than it is to have some good matches. Cmon. Austin/Hogan always looked weak in the buildup to the match so the opponent looked like a threat Cena NEVER looks weak (Save Summerslam) and the Opponent always looks like a Joke
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 22:13:42 GMT -5
That and the fact that Rollins is an idiot who could've waited five seconds and then hit Cena with the briefcase and become champion because of it. Honestly, given Sandow and Ziggler before him, I want Rollins to stay the f*** away from Cena. I want everyone to stay away from Cena. I'm honestly really, really tempted to just plain stop watching any new Raws or PPVs he appears on.
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Post by metylerca on Sept 21, 2014 22:13:56 GMT -5
Posting this here too: In the end, all the highlights of this PPV are overshadowed by the fact that we are supposed to believe Cena is at Brocks level, when a month ago, it was established, cleanly, that he wasn't. But After a month of doing NOTHING but run his mouth, be a dick, and overall be the most unlikable piece of cancer in wrestling, Cena has to be screwed out of his victory with Lesnar. F*** you WWE, this is the reason people hate what you've become. Any time you have anything that might be promising it is shoved aside for the status quo, and that is Cena, after nearly 10 years of it, we're all sick of it. You're all a bunch of F***ing morons, I wish WCW had survived, because without competition, you've become more and more unbearable /rant I'm glad you asked everybody and they all agreed with you. You seem upset, and over professional wrestling of all things. It's just a television show, as MST3K stated in every episode. If this show isn't your cup of tea, then there are plenty of alternatives in 2014 available to you. Your boasting about watching Chikara instead early on proves this. Surely, if something has the ability to get you this riled up, then it might be time to think twice about why you even bother. There's more positive activities to devote your time to. Post of the year? Hardly, sir. But I do empathize with your anger and frustration as I, too, am tired of John Cena being on top. Lots of us are.
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Post by abjordans on Sept 21, 2014 22:14:13 GMT -5
I don't even agree that the point most hammered home at the end was would Cena have one, but that Brock was inhuman and still the champ. He took 4 AAs and was in the STF for minutes, then took a Curb Stomp... And still got up, F5'd Cena and walked out. His aura is fine. And I didn't say you need to have lower standards, I meant that people were WAITING to overreact to anything other than Cena having his head literally removed and handed to him.
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Post by Toxik916 on Sept 21, 2014 22:14:14 GMT -5
I honestly don't understand the outrage. Cena Lesnar in the Cell is gonna be great. I loved the match tonight, Cena was like a boxer who's strategy was to absorb punishment and go for the knockout with well timed lighting paced flurries of offense.
Cena legitimately had Brock in a vulnerable position and I'm excited for their next match.
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Post by Jiren on Sept 21, 2014 22:14:29 GMT -5
Honestly, given Sandow and Ziggler before him, I want Rollins to stay the f*** away from Cena. I want everyone to stay away from Cena. I'm honestly really, really tempted to just plain stop watching any new Raws or PPVs he appears on. He's cancer
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 21, 2014 22:17:59 GMT -5
Posting this here too: In the end, all the highlights of this PPV are overshadowed by the fact that we are supposed to believe Cena is at Brocks level, when a month ago, it was established, cleanly, that he wasn't. But After a month of doing NOTHING but run his mouth, be a dick, and overall be the most unlikable piece of cancer in wrestling, Cena has to be screwed out of his victory with Lesnar. F*** you WWE, this is the reason people hate what you've become. Any time you have anything that might be promising it is shoved aside for the status quo, and that is Cena, after nearly 10 years of it, we're all sick of it. You're all a bunch of F***ing morons, I wish WCW had survived, because without competition, you've become more and more unbearable /rant I'm glad you asked everybody and they all agreed with you. You seem upset, and over professional wrestling of all things. It's just a television show, as MST3K stated in every episode. If this show isn't your cup of tea, then there are plenty of alternatives in 2014 available to you. Your boasting about watching Chikara instead early on proves this. Surely, if something has the ability to get you this riled up, then it might be time to think twice about why you even bother. There's more positive activities to devote your time to. Post of the year? Hardly, sir. But I do empathize with your anger and frustration as I, too, am tired of John Cena being on top. Lots of us are. I'm upset because I care
Of course there are better things I could devote my time too, but heres the thing, I love wrestling, and WWE is what introduced me to this world.
Anything you see suffer, that you love, and respect, you are truly, going to be angered at
So what if it's a TV show? You still can't feel emotions over that? Well that's your opinion, because I surely do.
My anger over WWE like many others is Tough Love. We care about WWE, we want to see it improve and get better, it has the TOOLS to do this, and yet overlooks them every time for Cena. Every time.
And I will continue to be upset about that until it ever changes, because I care. Even if WWE never sees it, it's nice to see I'm not alone in the sentiment.
Also I never said it was post of the year... so don't put words in my mouth, others can rightly call it that, but I never did.
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Post by metylerca on Sept 21, 2014 22:18:22 GMT -5
I want everyone to stay away from Cena. I'm honestly really, really tempted to just plain stop watching any new Raws or PPVs he appears on. He's cancer Nice to know Cancer has fans now. Those parents who buy their children Cancer t-shirts and those people who actively cheer Cancer should probably check their priorities.
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Post by xCompackx on Sept 21, 2014 22:18:52 GMT -5
I really don't get why people are acting like John Cena won the championship clean. Brock Lesnar is still champion and he dominated for 80% of the match. Are we going to bash WWE for 2 minutes of Cena looking decent?
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