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Post by ChitownKnight on Oct 6, 2014 22:45:09 GMT -5
Im sure Roman will one day become a Main Eventer, but it seems like Dean has stolen his thunder and will have his star making moment at HIAC when he beats Cena and Rollins (And if Ambrose doesnt enter the HIAC match then the fans will shit all over the PPV). Ambrose got a HUGE pop when he DDT'd Cena and I dont think Roman would of gotten as big of a pop, plus Roman's injury has derailed his push a little bit. As the weeks go by im getting more and more confident that Ambrose will be THE guy come 2015 and win the RR/defeat Lesnar, otherwise we will see another Daniel Bryan situation.
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Post by Instant Classic on Oct 6, 2014 22:46:01 GMT -5
Like I always say, all 3 Shield guys should and will be big stars.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 22:46:41 GMT -5
Yep.
Only thing Roman's injury did is allow the other two to catch up while he's away. If Roman stayed then Dean wouldn't be in his current position. Now all 3 will be at the top near the same time rather than Dean and Seth showing up a little bit later.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 6, 2014 22:48:41 GMT -5
I've been one of the biggest Roman boosters there is, and he's still gonna be huge--- but they're nuts if Dean hasn't usurped him in their plans for now.
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Post by Tom Turkey on Oct 6, 2014 22:49:53 GMT -5
I imagine people will pop when he makes a surprise return at the Rumble next year. Not sure if that'll be the case if he wins the darned thing, though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 23:00:21 GMT -5
Oh, definitely.
Roman is their guy and unless the entire planet descends into nuclear war by the time he gets back, WWE is going to push the shit out of him.
The crowd can do whatever they want.
I think the WWE has got the idea in their heads that if the crowd turns on Roman for Ambrose or D. Bryan again, all they need to do is set them up to be the one at WM, then they can go right back to booking Roman however they want.
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Post by celticjobber on Oct 6, 2014 23:30:41 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they'll end up turning Dean heel early in 2015 for a quick feud with Reigns.
Roman is the chosen one to replace Cena at the top. Unless he has a career-ending injury or the crowds turn on him dramatically, I can't see WWE changing course.
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 6, 2014 23:33:44 GMT -5
Of course he is. This injury has only delayed things for a few months.
How many other wrestlers as early into their careers as he is has ever gotten a "live via satellite" interview just to remind everyone he's still there and coming back.
OP you think Ambrose is going to win? Cena just got done jobbing out to Lesnar, really don't see him doing it for Ambrose at this stage. With Lesnar just being a big event guy they need a top level heel and that's Cena's job at HITC, make one out of Rollins.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 6, 2014 23:34:58 GMT -5
He should feud with Rusev. I'm not a fan of Reigns but I'd prefer him to end Rusev's streak over Cena. At least then, someone can benefit.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 6, 2014 23:35:46 GMT -5
Of course he is. This injury has only delayed things for a few months. How many other wrestlers as early into their careers as he is has ever gotten a "live via satellite" interview just to remind everyone he's still there and coming back. OP you think Ambrose is going to win? Cena just got done jobbing out to Lesnar, really don't see him doing it for Ambrose at this stage. With Lesnar just being a big event guy they need a top level heel and that's Cena's job at HITC, make one out of Rollins. Only one I can think of was Orton with RNN, but nothing with a face. |
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 6, 2014 23:41:14 GMT -5
Of course he is. This injury has only delayed things for a few months. How many other wrestlers as early into their careers as he is has ever gotten a "live via satellite" interview just to remind everyone he's still there and coming back. OP you think Ambrose is going to win? Cena just got done jobbing out to Lesnar, really don't see him doing it for Ambrose at this stage. With Lesnar just being a big event guy they need a top level heel and that's Cena's job at HITC, make one out of Rollins. Only one I can think of was Orton with RNN, but nothing with a face. Yep. And what did he have strapped to his ass from day 1. Hell we haven't even had an update on DB in months, unless you count the Brie Mode push as keeping him relevant. |
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Post by ChitownKnight on Oct 6, 2014 23:47:59 GMT -5
Only one I can think of was Orton with RNN, but nothing with a face. Yep. And what did he have strapped to his ass from day 1. Hell we haven't even had an update on DB in months, unless you count the Brie Mode push as keeping him relevant. But he didnt end up taking the strap off HHH or JBL at Wrestlemania 21 or becoming the "face of the company for a decade" like the other guy that debuted around the same time he did |
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 6, 2014 23:55:55 GMT -5
Only one I can think of was Orton with RNN, but nothing with a face. Yep. And what did he have strapped to his ass from day 1. Hell we haven't even had an update on DB in months, unless you count the Brie Mode push as keeping him relevant. That's because they don't need to remind people about DB. He's a proven commodity who, when he comes back, will be slotted near or at the top of the card. Reigns doesn't have his track record, or honestly his ability to control the crowd at this point. I don't blame whoever's idea this was, because it makes sense to keep the new hot youngster in everyone's mind. |
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Post by No Name is needed Bro Beans on Oct 6, 2014 23:59:47 GMT -5
You better believe he is. from when he gets better to Wrestlemania its Roman or Bust Lesnar is just keeping the title warm for the Samoan Sex Machine.
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 7, 2014 0:02:02 GMT -5
Yep. And what did he have strapped to his ass from day 1. Hell we haven't even had an update on DB in months, unless you count the Brie Mode push as keeping him relevant. But he didnt end up taking the strap off HHH or JBL at Wrestlemania 21 or becoming the "face of the company for a decade" like the other guy that debuted around the same time he did Yes that is true. You also need to admit that if it wasn't for him being a colossal douchebag behind the scenes and having self admitted issues with drugs along with clashing with trainers, he probably would have been slotted in the Cena slot. He killed that himself. Look I think all three of them are going to be heading to great things in WWE and all going to be fixtures in the upper part of the card for years. I just think WWE has their minds set that Reigns is going to be "the" man. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 0:13:53 GMT -5
I was surprised at how meh the crowd was when Reigns appeared on the tron and for his entire little interview. Could have just been that one crowd though.
He came pretty close to getting Conway'd during a large portion of that segment. Especially the uncomfortable silence when he attempted the cheap pop and almost the whole crowd ignored it.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Oct 7, 2014 0:31:30 GMT -5
I think he'll get a "test" push more so than the superpush.
By the time he get's back (Rumble/Mania Season) I'd like to think we'll start seeing some NXT Callups like Zayn, Neville, Graves (possibly), Breeze, and The Ascension. We may also see IN NXT Finn Balor, Itami, The Rechristened Steen (Chester "Hap" Hapapblap) along with the CURRENT crop of NXT rookies being more likely to get Dark matches on the road......basically a TON of Indy guys that can already cut a promo and have a ....Let's just say a more expansive repertoire of possible moves.
Reigns is where he is because of his presence. He's a Big, Handsome guy that looks like a total beast when he hits his big moves. You see him in the ring and INSTANTLY you can see what he's about.......but you put him on the mic and he's "Smooth"....but what he's saying he has nothing behind it. Like...most times it sounds like he's reading from a set of talking points.....andhe sounds smooth...but unnatural. He's actually the kind of guy that NEEDS either a manager or a stable, because conversationally....he sounds ok, but speechifying is not his strong suit.
I personally believe that Rollins will be fine, settling into an Edge-esque role (4-5 star matches dependent on opponent/flow, A Couple short "transitional" reigns at the top and maybe a lengthy "Chickenshit" reign before being a "Gatekeeper" where he's a viable third man/uppercarder for IC/WWE title feuds). Rollins has "Technique". You may not know what he's about immediately when he enters the ring, but he lets his actual in-ring skill tell the story. Still not a great "Promo" guy, but he doesn't have to be, Her could get by with a "Silent Technician/Ring General" thing if he wasn't hamstrung by thr Authority angle at times.
Ambrose.....is gonna either be a long-reigning champion....or he'll be DRASTICALLY mishandled almost as a direct result of this feud with/around Cena and never get above the Midcard. He IS a wild-card because I see him douing AMAZING no matter where he ends up on the card, but if he loses the crowd's support or gets bogged down with a bad angle.....He may try to save things...but you cant get lead to float. Ambrose has "Charisma". He is a genuinely compelling character. Like Piper, Pillman, Austin, or Jesse Ventura, you may not LIKE what he says or agree...but you're compelled to listen...because you want to know what happens next. He's not flashy in the ring, and in terms of presence.....He's looks like what would happen if Heath Ledger's Joker played Stanley Kowalski. He's not "pretty" but you KNOW you'd want to know what happened to him.
The Somewhat longwinded point I'm tryint to make.....The "News" reports, the Laughably short "Interview" tonight, the more frequent in-show updates on his condition.....it all points to the idea that WWE seem to think we'll forget about him if we don't mention him once a week. How does a 6 foot + Samoan with a voice like butter FAIL to leave a lasting impression? I see a STRONG Megapush for roman when he returns.......that unless it gains traction QUICK (Thin HHH's Return in 2001) will be called a failure by "Those in control" and Roman will be the new |Monster" for a while.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 7, 2014 0:41:51 GMT -5
But he didnt end up taking the strap off HHH or JBL at Wrestlemania 21 or becoming the "face of the company for a decade" like the other guy that debuted around the same time he did Yes that is true. You also need to admit that if it wasn't for him being a colossal douchebag behind the scenes and having self admitted issues with drugs along with clashing with trainers, he probably would have been slotted in the Cena slot. He killed that himself. Look I think all three of them are going to be heading to great things in WWE and all going to be fixtures in the upper part of the card for years. I just think WWE has their minds set that Reigns is going to be "the" man. Orton didn't get the push Cena and Batista did, and Reigns is heading for, because he's much better as a heel. They tried to give him the pretty boy superface push, and it failed almost immediately. Orton turned heel less than half a year after winning the title and turning face the first time because he gives off such a natural smug vibe and doesn't have the moveset needed to be a face. Even if he kept being a shithead (which seemed to wane by that time, according to most accounts), they would have sucked it up ala HBK if he was clicking as a face. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 7, 2014 1:04:21 GMT -5
Yes that is true. You also need to admit that if it wasn't for him being a colossal douchebag behind the scenes and having self admitted issues with drugs along with clashing with trainers, he probably would have been slotted in the Cena slot. He killed that himself. Look I think all three of them are going to be heading to great things in WWE and all going to be fixtures in the upper part of the card for years. I just think WWE has their minds set that Reigns is going to be "the" man. Orton didn't get the push Cena and Batista did, and Reigns is heading for, because he's much better as a heel. They tried to give him the pretty boy superface push, and it failed almost immediately. Orton turned heel less than half a year after winning the title and turning face the first time because he gives off such a natural smug vibe and doesn't have the moveset needed to be a face. Even if he kept being a shithead (which seemed to wane by that time, according to most accounts), they would have sucked it up ala HBK if he was clicking as a face. Cena was pretty much the last resort of the OVW four. He was on the chopping block until Stephanie heard him rapping backstage and then came up with the rapper gimmick for him. And even then, the rapper gimmick started out as a glorified comedy jobber gimmick. Orton by comparison, was constantly rubbing elbows with legends and booked to go over them. They pushed Orton as a heel, but the goal they had in mind to build up his credibility so they could turn him face down the line. WWE doesn't push heels to be top heels. They've been spoiled by The Rock, Austin, and DX, and only wish to push heels to get them over enough to be top faces. Even The Shield are examples of this. WWE WANTS Orton to be their guy, but they're stuck with Cena because he's flat out better. I honestly believe that WWE's bad booking of Cena is them subtly trying to screw him over for not being Randy Orton. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 1:09:05 GMT -5
I'm not so sure. He's got Ambrose and eventually Bryan to compete with, and they're both have more ability to garner big-time crowd reactions. And they won't have "well but merchandise!" as an excuse in that instance.
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