Is it safe to say the TNA section isn't feeling Havok?

[Dshuks]

So I'm guessing FAN is never going to be able to have a discussion about a female wrestler/talent without making comments about "bewbs", and how attractive a poster thinks the talent is. A shame really.

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From everything I saw, Havok was definitely more the hardcore/brawler type.
Last I checked on Impact, that's not exactly a style they prefer in their Knockouts so Havok's got to adapt to that TNA style.

She really would've benefit had she came in around the time Mickie Knuckles and even ODB were hanging around.

And I wouldn't compare "looking forward" to seeing someone as overhype.
As I did say I was looking forward to seeing her...I don't remember seeing many people hyping her like say, people would hype Dean Ambrose or Hideo "KENTA" Itami.

[Emmet Russell]

Seems FAN is incapable of thinking that someone can be bad just because they were once decent on the indies.

She's absolutely dreadful, from her look to her in-ring work. She was in there with Gail Kim, the best female wrestling has to offer and injury storyline or not, it's not excuse to have a crap match with her. Many matches have had injury storylines going in and done just fine. Her sloppy brawling and failed shoulder breaker were just laughable, and now they have her using a bearhug as a finisher? makes sense to me, I wouldn't be letting her use chokeslams or other dangerous moves either.

Also, the "bewbs" thing. I know I said it was hard to take her seriously and it doesn't help her intimidation factor because her boobs were flopping out a few weeks ago, and I think I've been proven right - you guys can't discuss her without bringing up the tits. You don't discuss how bad-ass she is or how dangerous she looks, you all make boob jokes and discuss how hot they are. I don't think that's what TNA had in mind for their new monster character.

[Crappler El 0 M]

I've enjoyed Havok in TNA, from her look to her match with Gail Kim. I kind of like the partially shaved head and gas mask as well as the facepaint. So there's at least one fan of her in TNA.

I never saw her on the indies and can't compare her TNA work to anything else she's done.

[Dshuks]

Oct 13, 2014 18:00:50 GMT -5 Emmet Russell said:

Seems FAN is incapable of thinking that someone can be bad just because they were once decent on the indies.

She's absolutely dreadful, from her look to her in-ring work. She was in there with Gail Kim, the best female wrestling has to offer and injury storyline or not, it's not excuse to have a crap match with her. Many matches have had injury storylines going in and done just fine. Her sloppy brawling and failed shoulder breaker were just laughable, and now they have her using a bearhug as a finisher? makes sense to me, I wouldn't be letting her use chokeslams or other dangerous moves either.

Also, the "bewbs" thing. I know I said it was hard to take her seriously and it doesn't help her intimidation factor because her boobs were flopping out a few weeks ago, and I think I've been proven right - you guys can't discuss her without bringing up the tits. You don't discuss how bad-ass she is or how dangerous she looks, you all make boob jokes and discuss how hot they are. I don't think that's what TNA had in mind for their new monster character.

Her work on the indies isn't much better . Honestly like I said it's mores her unique look/character that makes a good portion of her fans like her ( see Daffney, Mschif, and Voctoria/Tara). Her ring works just isn't anything more than average.

[Emmet Russell]

Oct 13, 2014 18:06:43 GMT -5 Dshuks said:

Oct 13, 2014 18:00:50 GMT -5 Emmet Russell said:

Seems FAN is incapable of thinking that someone can be bad just because they were once decent on the indies.

She's absolutely dreadful, from her look to her in-ring work. She was in there with Gail Kim, the best female wrestling has to offer and injury storyline or not, it's not excuse to have a crap match with her. Many matches have had injury storylines going in and done just fine. Her sloppy brawling and failed shoulder breaker were just laughable, and now they have her using a bearhug as a finisher? makes sense to me, I wouldn't be letting her use chokeslams or other dangerous moves either.

Also, the "bewbs" thing. I know I said it was hard to take her seriously and it doesn't help her intimidation factor because her boobs were flopping out a few weeks ago, and I think I've been proven right - you guys can't discuss her without bringing up the tits. You don't discuss how bad-ass she is or how dangerous she looks, you all make boob jokes and discuss how hot they are. I don't think that's what TNA had in mind for their new monster character.

Her work on the indies isn't much better . Honestly like I said it's mores her unique look/character that makes a good portion of her fans like her ( see Daffney, Mschif, and Voctoria/Tara). Her ring works just isn't anything more than average.

I watched her stuff on the indies thanks to people here telling me she was good and I saw something that was barely above average. I wondered what the fuss was about and maybe I just missed her better years or something ... now I've seen her work in the indies and TNA I can safely say she sucks. She only gets by because she's bigger than the average woman and has a different look than your average female wrestler you see on TV.

I feel the same about Paige - people overrate her so much because she's the daughter of a wrestler (who I must admit is quite bad-ass) and looks "hot". Her time in WWE has been dreadful, full of nothing matches and terrible promos, yet people still love her? I don't understand. She's no better than any of the other divas they have but because she wrestled on the indies in Shimmer it makes her good? no it doesn't! her terrible faux-lesbian gimmick that appeals to creepy fan-boys is even worse. It's cringeworthy.

[Sephiroth]

Oct 13, 2014 18:00:50 GMT -5 Emmet Russell said:

Seems FAN is incapable of thinking that someone can be bad just because they were once decent on the indies.

She's absolutely dreadful, from her look to her in-ring work. She was in there with Gail Kim, the best female wrestling has to offer and injury storyline or not, it's not excuse to have a crap match with her. Many matches have had injury storylines going in and done just fine. Her sloppy brawling and failed shoulder breaker were just laughable, and now they have her using a bearhug as a finisher? makes sense to me, I wouldn't be letting her use chokeslams or other dangerous moves either.

Also, the "bewbs" thing. I know I said it was hard to take her seriously and it doesn't help her intimidation factor because her boobs were flopping out a few weeks ago, and I think I've been proven right - you guys can't discuss her without bringing up the tits. You don't discuss how bad-ass she is or how dangerous she looks, you all make boob jokes and discuss how hot they are. I don't think that's what TNA had in mind for their new monster character.

Given that she is putting them right out there, it is rather obvious they will come up in conversation.

I am a fan of Havik and would live to see her have an epic run in TNA. But I don't think they have thst capacity at this time. They pushed her way too fast. She needed to go on a tear and leave a trail of bodies in her wake to hype her as the monster and a major threat to the champion. I said in a previous post that it is a pity ODB and TNA parted ways when they did; a great intro for Havok, as TNA seems to want to build her, would have been to have her pull a Kane where she keeps coming out and breaking up KO matches until ODB, TNA's definitive female powerhouse brawler, finally stands up to her and lays down the challenge. And in the pay off match, Havok completely destroys her-setting Havok up as the new female powerhouse and a major force to be reckoned with.

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Oct 13, 2014 18:00:50 GMT -5 Emmet Russell said:

Also, the "bewbs" thing. I know I said it was hard to take her seriously and it doesn't help her intimidation factor because her boobs were flopping out a few weeks ago, and I think I've been proven right - you guys can't discuss her without bringing up the tits. You don't discuss how bad-ass she is or how dangerous she looks, you all make boob jokes and discuss how hot they are. I don't think that's what TNA had in mind for their new monster character.

Yeah, I have to agree. It's not like she never can be taken serious with that gear but it does make it significantly harder to do so when she wears that. I'm not even trying to a perv, her tits are so out there that it is actually impossible to not notice them. I never thought I would complain about cleavage but they really need to cover up her chest if she's gonna be taken seriously. I don't know if this is her own gear or if it's gear that they are making wear but either way, it feels like sexualization for the sake of sexualization.

[Emmet Russell]

Oct 13, 2014 18:39:30 GMT -5 Sephiroth said:

Oct 13, 2014 18:00:50 GMT -5 Emmet Russell said:

Seems FAN is incapable of thinking that someone can be bad just because they were once decent on the indies.

She's absolutely dreadful, from her look to her in-ring work. She was in there with Gail Kim, the best female wrestling has to offer and injury storyline or not, it's not excuse to have a crap match with her. Many matches have had injury storylines going in and done just fine. Her sloppy brawling and failed shoulder breaker were just laughable, and now they have her using a bearhug as a finisher? makes sense to me, I wouldn't be letting her use chokeslams or other dangerous moves either.

Also, the "bewbs" thing. I know I said it was hard to take her seriously and it doesn't help her intimidation factor because her boobs were flopping out a few weeks ago, and I think I've been proven right - you guys can't discuss her without bringing up the tits. You don't discuss how bad-ass she is or how dangerous she looks, you all make boob jokes and discuss how hot they are. I don't think that's what TNA had in mind for their new monster character.

Given that she is putting them right out there, it is rather obvious they will come up in conversation.

I am a fan of Havik and would live to see her have an epic run in TNA. But I don't think they have thst capacity at this time. They pushed her way too fast. She needed to go on a tear and leave a trail of bodies in her wake to hype her as the monster and a major threat to the champion. I said in a previous post that it is a pity ODB and TNA parted ways when they did; a great intro for Havok, as TNA seems to want to build her, would have been to have her pull a Kane where she keeps coming out and breaking up KO matches until ODB, TNA's definitive female powerhouse brawler, finally stands up to her and lays down the challenge. And in the pay off match, Havok completely destroys her-setting Havok up as the new female powerhouse and a major force to be reckoned with.

I don't think "they" are needed to be brought up at all. They take away from what is meant to be a monster character that's destructive, instead all you guys focus on is how much her boobs were out this week.

I get it, they're big. I hate to say it, but who gives a f***? There's the Internet for that stuff if you're desperate. People look past the fact she's a terrible character and a horrible wrestler because of her tits and that's a problem, especially when she's meant to be good.

You're right about ODB facing Havok though; she needed some more powerhouse competition. She hasn't got much to work with at the moment and that's another problem, it doesn't help her that she faced the best they had to offer first and it's all down hill from here for her. Her TNA run has been a flop and it's only going to get worse from here.

[Sephiroth]

Oct 13, 2014 18:42:13 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

Oct 13, 2014 18:00:50 GMT -5 Emmet Russell said:

Also, the "bewbs" thing. I know I said it was hard to take her seriously and it doesn't help her intimidation factor because her boobs were flopping out a few weeks ago, and I think I've been proven right - you guys can't discuss her without bringing up the tits. You don't discuss how bad-ass she is or how dangerous she looks, you all make boob jokes and discuss how hot they are. I don't think that's what TNA had in mind for their new monster character.

Yeah, I have to agree. It's not like she never can be taken serious with that gear but it does make it significantly harder to do so when she wears that. I'm not even trying to a perv, her tits are so out there it is actually impossible to not notice them. I never thought I would complain about cleavage but they really need to cover up her chest if she's gonna be taken seriously. I don't know if this is her own gear or if it's gear that they are making wear but either way, it feels like sexualization for the sake of sexualization.

I like the gas mask, it's a unique accessory. The cape I could do without. And the LED lights on the mask really beg for her entrance to be blacked out with backlighting so the LED lights illuminate her face and eyes. And she needs more metal sounding music, not dub step.

[Sephiroth]

Oct 13, 2014 18:46:46 GMT -5 Emmet Russell said:

Oct 13, 2014 18:39:30 GMT -5 Sephiroth said:

Given that she is putting them right out there, it is rather obvious they will come up in conversation.

I am a fan of Havik and would live to see her have an epic run in TNA. But I don't think they have thst capacity at this time. They pushed her way too fast. She needed to go on a tear and leave a trail of bodies in her wake to hype her as the monster and a major threat to the champion. I said in a previous post that it is a pity ODB and TNA parted ways when they did; a great intro for Havok, as TNA seems to want to build her, would have been to have her pull a Kane where she keeps coming out and breaking up KO matches until ODB, TNA's definitive female powerhouse brawler, finally stands up to her and lays down the challenge. And in the pay off match, Havok completely destroys her-setting Havok up as the new female powerhouse and a major force to be reckoned with.

I don't think "they" are needed to be brought up at all. They take away from what is meant to be a monster character that's destructive, instead all you guys focus on is how much her boobs were out this week.

I get it, they're big. I hate to say it, but who gives a f***? There's the Internet for that stuff if you're desperate. People look past the fact she's a terrible character and a horrible wrestler because of her tits and that's a problem, especially when she's meant to be good.

You're right about ODB facing Havok though; she needed some more powerhouse competition. She hasn't got much to work with at the moment and that's another problem, it doesn't help her that she faced the best they had to offer first and it's all down hill from here for her. Her TNA run has been a flop and it's only going to get worse from here.

I say with no sense if shame at all that I think Havok is a good looking woman and the male in me does not mind her displaying the goods at all. Ice already said she is not a mat technician or a high flyer-she is a hardcore brawler. That is her style, and unfurtunately it is pretty limited. On the indy's she had a wider array of opponents that helped keep the act fresh and who could help cover her weaknesses, and vice versa. In TNA that is not the case, withinn her second week they had her interrupt a match that saw her take out three or four women, a significant chunk if the roster, right off the bat. It killed potential matches that could have been used to build momentum fur her as a monster character.

To contrast to Awesome Kong, who TNA are clearly trying to replicate: Kong definitely made a big splash on her debut and was instantly in the running for the belt-but she still got built. Kong actually lost to Gail-and they did a story where Kong spent a couple months destroying the rest of the women, slowly working her way up to the champ. And once Kong has the belt, they put her into a feud with ODB, and did a good job making ODB look like she had a shit at winning. Havok has not had the same treatment because TNA just can't do that now-the KO roster is too thinned out and they killed off so much they could have done to build her.

[Emmet Russell]

Oct 13, 2014 19:04:38 GMT -5 Sephiroth said:

Oct 13, 2014 18:46:46 GMT -5 Emmet Russell said:

I don't think "they" are needed to be brought up at all. They take away from what is meant to be a monster character that's destructive, instead all you guys focus on is how much her boobs were out this week.

I get it, they're big. I hate to say it, but who gives a f***? There's the Internet for that stuff if you're desperate. People look past the fact she's a terrible character and a horrible wrestler because of her tits and that's a problem, especially when she's meant to be good.

You're right about ODB facing Havok though; she needed some more powerhouse competition. She hasn't got much to work with at the moment and that's another problem, it doesn't help her that she faced the best they had to offer first and it's all down hill from here for her. Her TNA run has been a flop and it's only going to get worse from here.

I say with no sense if shame at all that I think Havok is a good looking woman and the male in me does not mind her displaying the goods at all. Ice already said she is not a mat technician or a high flyer-she is a hardcore brawler. That is her style, and unfurtunately it is pretty limited. On the indy's she had a wider array of opponents that helped keep the act fresh and who could help cover her weaknesses, and vice versa. In TNA that is not the case, withinn her second week they had her interrupt a match that saw her take out three or four women, a significant chunk if the roster, right off the bat. It killed potential matches that could have been used to build momentum fur her as a monster character.

To contrast to Awesome Kong, who TNA are clearly trying to replicate: Kong definitely made a big splash on her debut and was instantly in the running for the belt-but she still got built. Kong actually lost to Gail-and they did a story where Kong spent a couple months destroying the rest of the women, slowly working her way up to the champ. And once Kong has the belt, they put her into a feud with ODB, and did a good job making ODB look like she had a shit at winning. Havok has not had the same treatment because TNA just can't do that now-the KO roster is too thinned out and they killed off so much they could have done to build her.

They definitely did it right with Kong and her character was just as corny as Havok is. I personally think Kong is a better wrestler than Havok but if Kong was in the current KO division and had to deal with the current KO's, she would have struggled as well.

TNA has done a terrible job covering up Havoks flaws. A mobster character should be just that: a monster. Instead she had a 50/50 brawl with Gail almost immediately and her lustre was lost. Her simple debut destroying Taryn and Gail was the best she has looked because it made her look strong and dominant, easily destroying the champion and number one contender. Flash forward a month and she's having a back-and-forth match with VELVET SKY! That's complete garbage.

I'm a man too. I find women attractive. I don't feel the need to discuss masturbation and a women's tits on a wrestling forum. That's pretty creepy to me.

[Dshuks]

Kong worked because she had years of training in Japan , and was actually quite athletic for her size. Thats part of the problem with TNA's sad attempts at replacing her, there just aren't many female monster heels at the level Kong was at during her prime..

[MrBRulzOK]

The problem for me with Havok is that she doesn't really stand out for a supposed monster character. Once you get past the size and perhaps the looks, there's really nothing about her that sets her apart from the pack.

In comparison, when you saw Awesome Kong back when she was in TNA, you gravitated towards her because she had a look that made her stand out from the other knockouts. She was imposing, physically dominant, and basically came off as somebody you wouldn't want to screw with if you saw them coming your way. Kong had a presence that Havok, to me, just doesn't have.

In all honesty it seems like they are desperately trying to recreate what made Awesome Kong special, and it's just not working at all.

[bluemeii]

Sorry she's just a typical knockout from today wrapped in a much bigger package. No idea how to book her, limited in almost every way in the ring. IF she does anything well, they haven't focused on it yet, to the point where any chance to have the "monster mystique" with her has come and gone.

I managed to catch her "match" from yesterday. Less said the better.

[Timmy8271]

I stopped taking her seriously as a monster when she started selling from the likes of Taryn and Velvet Sky. Kong wouldn't do that. As for Havok the wrestler, I saw her once at a FIP show with Mia Yim. She wasn't half bad.

[Heartbreaker]

I haven't really seen Jessicka Havok's stuff but from what I heard she's feuding with Velvet f***ing Sky who in my opinion is one of the worst women's wrestlers ever so of course she's gonna look bad.

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

Oct 13, 2014 19:25:24 GMT -5 Emmet Russell said:

TNA has done a terrible job covering up Havoks flaws. A mobster character should be just that: a monster. Instead she had a 50/50 brawl with Gail almost immediately and her lustre was lost. Her simple debut destroying Taryn and Gail was the best she has looked because it made her look strong and dominant, easily destroying the champion and number one contender. Flash forward a month and she's having a back-and-forth match with VELVET SKY! That's complete garbage.

Indeed, the battle royal should have been Havok killing Knockouts dead. Instead the battle royal goes on to long, and Havok winds up selling for Rebel and Velvet. The match should have lasted 5 minutes tops, with Havok destroying everyone. Then there's the even brawl, and how she won the title. An injured Gail Kim got in way too much offense against Havok. That's not how you make a monster. I'd also just like to say, I've been saying this for awhile.

TNA just doesn't know how to make a monster anymore. They knew how to do it with Kong, but that's it.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

I don't think she should've joined tna, because even when they signed her they already hit the iceberg, tna doesn't have the resources to properly feature her. Maybe a couple of years ago Dutch and Scott would've known what to do with her.

[Dshuks]

If people are wondering about her indy work heres a match of hers vs Athena
www.dailymotion.com/video/x1cn4fk_jessicka-havok-vs-athena_sport

Like I said she's not horrible , she's just kind've of slow and not super athletic . She also overdoes it with the screaming and the vulgarity in this particular match. It also should be noted that Athena is better than very KO on the roster.