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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 21, 2014 16:46:44 GMT -5
I've got something called a "memory", so if a performer doesn't want me recording him, I don't need to anyway.
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Post by Michael Coello on Oct 21, 2014 16:47:29 GMT -5
And - not for nothing - if he wasn't a celebrity I'd expect the same treatment for him. If you try to record anyone - actor, writer, director, postal worker, drivethru cashier - and they ask you not to, you should stop recording them. Its your obligation as a member of the human race to respect other people's wishes (as long as its not hurting anyone else or they're committing a crime, etc etc). Well, now I think I know the problem. No, Chris Rock is not the same as whatever other person, you me or whoever, getting filmed. Dude is a world famous comedian, actor, director, producer, etc. His appearance, like it or not, is seem as a BIG FREAKIN DEAL, for good reason. Also, If he was with his kids on a trip, yeah he has all rights to that privacy. If he was walking to the store, yeah, don't put a camera in his face. But he's on a stage, looking to perform. All bets are off there. People have ALL THE RIGHT to take a damn picture or clip of it, just as much as he has the right to walk out when they did that. Just as you all have the right to call those fans jackasses, I have to right to call HIM one.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 21, 2014 16:50:53 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of the concept, but situations like this are why I'm dreading Google Glass since it has a built-in camera in the frame. Also yeah, Chris Rock was completely in the right on this. It's not hard to just watch a performance without filming it.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Oct 21, 2014 16:51:35 GMT -5
It was absolutely the correct way to handle things. Guy was there to work on some unreleased bits. Douchebag wanted to film. Asked the guy not to. Entitled prick wouldn't stop so he bailed. No violence, no scene. Said f this and left. What you think Mr. Bigger and Blacker HBO Special guy is him 24/7? Come on! Well, then I hope no one takes his picture or films when he's ready, or else he'll bail on his next TV special. Or cough, he might call security! I can't believe people defending him. This is some old Axl Rose type ego shit, man! lol no. Like I said earlier, comedians do this all the time. They'll get some ideas, write them down, go to a local comedy club and work the material out, put it together for a tour, film a special, then throw all that material out and go back to the local comedy club with a few ideas and flesh them out again. Louis CK does the same thing, as do most, if not all, other big name comedians that get TV specials. People didn't pay to see him, it was a surprise, so there's no reason he shouldn't walk out if he doesn't want to be filmed, and it's a reasonable and respectful of the audience members not to film this not-ready-for-TV material.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 16:51:36 GMT -5
And - not for nothing - if he wasn't a celebrity I'd expect the same treatment for him. If you try to record anyone - actor, writer, director, postal worker, drivethru cashier - and they ask you not to, you should stop recording them. Its your obligation as a member of the human race to respect other people's wishes (as long as its not hurting anyone else or they're committing a crime, etc etc). Well, now I think I know the problem. No, Chris Rock is not the same as whatever other person, you me or whoever, getting filmed. Dude is a world famous comedian, actor, director, producer, etc. His appearance, like it or not, is seem as a BIG FREAKIN DEAL, for good reason. Also, If he was with his kids on a trip, yeah he has all rights to that privacy. If he was walking to the store, yeah, don't put a camera in his face. But he's on a stage, looking to perform. All bets are off there. People have ALL THE RIGHT to take a damn picture or clip of it, just as much as he has the right to walk out when they did that. Just as you all have the right to call those fans jackasses, I have to right to call HIM one. Having the right to do something doesn't mean you should always do it. They also have ALL THE RIGHT to fart loudly non-stop during the performance. Doesn't mean they should. Just because he's on stage doesn't mean anyone has the RIGHT to do anything they wouldn't normally do to him off-stage. Also, I'm fairly certain the UCB NY has a no recording policy. I know UCB Los Angeles does for a fact, so I'd imagine NY does to.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 21, 2014 16:51:41 GMT -5
And - not for nothing - if he wasn't a celebrity I'd expect the same treatment for him. If you try to record anyone - actor, writer, director, postal worker, drivethru cashier - and they ask you not to, you should stop recording them. Its your obligation as a member of the human race to respect other people's wishes (as long as its not hurting anyone else or they're committing a crime, etc etc). Well, now I think I know the problem. No, Chris Rock is not the same as whatever other person, you me or whoever, getting filmed. Dude is a world famous comedian, actor, director, producer, etc. His appearance, like it or not, is seem as a BIG FREAKIN DEAL, for good reason. Also, If he was with his kids on a trip, yeah he has all rights to that privacy. If he was walking to the store, yeah, don't put a camera in his face. But he's on a stage, looking to perform. All bets are off there. People have ALL THE RIGHT to take a damn picture or clip of it, just as much as he has the right to walk out when they did that. Just as you all have the right to call those fans jackasses, I have to right to call HIM one. That's just...wrong. People DO NOT, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, have the right to film the celebrity if they request to not be filmed. If you don't want to be filmed, unless it's in your contract to do so, you shouldn't be filmed. Even if you want to ignore basic human rights, it's very likely that the rules of the club outright prohibited filming performances and these turds decided to do it anyone. So no, they did not have the right to do what they did.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 21, 2014 16:52:46 GMT -5
It was absolutely the correct way to handle things. Guy was there to work on some unreleased bits. Douchebag wanted to film. Asked the guy not to. Entitled prick wouldn't stop so he bailed. No violence, no scene. Said f this and left. What you think Mr. Bigger and Blacker HBO Special guy is him 24/7? Come on! Well, then I hope no one takes his picture or films when he's ready, or else he'll bail on his next TV special. Or cough, he might call security! I can't believe people defending him. This is some old Axl Rose type ego shit, man! I know it's hard for you to not be racist, but trust us, you're in the wrong on this one. People didn't pay for a Chris Rock ticket. He was an unadvertised bonus comedian as a surprise to start the show. UCB tickets are $5.00. Rock usually asks around at least $30 to catch him live. They were getting a treat, he was giving them a gift. One of the absolute best in the world at an artformthat the entire attendance shared an interest in. For free. A free surprise performance from one of the absolute best in the world. Again, I know you struggle with seeing black entertainers as people, but they're actually pretty incredible. Given your track record, I think it's best you stay out of discussions regarding entertainers, or people in general, of color. Case in point - officialfan.proboards.com/thread/507347/kinda-racist-diet-racism?page=7
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Post by chazraps on Oct 21, 2014 16:55:08 GMT -5
Well, now I think I know the problem. No, Chris Rock is not the same as whatever other person, you me or whoever, getting filmed. Dude is a world famous comedian, actor, director, producer, etc. His appearance, like it or not, is seem as a BIG FREAKIN DEAL, for good reason. Also, If he was with his kids on a trip, yeah he has all rights to that privacy. If he was walking to the store, yeah, don't put a camera in his face. But he's on a stage, looking to perform. All bets are off there. People have ALL THE RIGHT to take a damn picture or clip of it, just as much as he has the right to walk out when they did that. Just as you all have the right to call those fans jackasses, I have to right to call HIM one. Having the right to do something doesn't mean you should always do it. They also have ALL THE RIGHT to fart loudly non-stop during the performance. Doesn't mean they should. Just because he's on stage doesn't mean anyone has the RIGHT to do anything they wouldn't normally do to him off-stage. Also, I'm fairly certain the UCB NY has a no recording policy. I know UCB Los Angeles does for a fact, so I'd imagine NY does to. This is true. I can verify that before each and every show at both UCB NY locations, the announcement of "no filming" is made.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Oct 21, 2014 16:55:38 GMT -5
When I saw Mick Foley perform, the person who introduced him requested that nobody film or take pictures of the performance. When Foley came out, a few people pulled out their cell phones and he had to stop a couple of times to tell them to put their phones away. Completely reasonable, he doesn't want this material leaked out there when he's still using it or perfecting it, perhaps for an actual filmed release.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 21, 2014 16:58:00 GMT -5
And - not for nothing - if he wasn't a celebrity I'd expect the same treatment for him. If you try to record anyone - actor, writer, director, postal worker, drivethru cashier - and they ask you not to, you should stop recording them. Its your obligation as a member of the human race to respect other people's wishes (as long as its not hurting anyone else or they're committing a crime, etc etc). Well, now I think I know the problem. No, Chris Rock is not the same as whatever other person, you me or whoever, getting filmed. Dude is a world famous comedian, actor, director, producer, etc. His appearance, like it or not, is seem as a BIG FREAKIN DEAL, for good reason. Also, If he was with his kids on a trip, yeah he has all rights to that privacy. If he was walking to the store, yeah, don't put a camera in his face. But he's on a stage, looking to perform. All bets are off there. People have ALL THE RIGHT to take a damn picture or clip of it, just as much as he has the right to walk out when they did that. Just as you all have the right to call those fans jackasses, I have to right to call HIM one. There's no difference between on-stage or off-stage, if someone asks you not to film them, it's not okay to keep filming them. Being on stage doesn't take away basic human rights and allow everyone to do whatever they want with no say on your part.
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Post by Michael Coello on Oct 21, 2014 16:59:01 GMT -5
Well, then I hope no one takes his picture or films when he's ready, or else he'll bail on his next TV special. Or cough, he might call security! I can't believe people defending him. This is some old Axl Rose type ego shit, man! I know it's hard for you to not be racist, but trust us, you're in the wrong on this one. .......Okay, how the f*** does this have to do with race here?!?!
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Post by Hawk Hart on Oct 21, 2014 17:01:00 GMT -5
Chris Rock showed up at UCB last night for a surprise unannounced stand-up set, but had to end it about a minute and a half into it because some audience members flatout refused to stop taking video of it with their phones. It's an understandable reaction. In Bizzaro World. As a comedian that's faced disrespectful audiences before, you have absolutely no idea how incredibly wrong this post is. On so many levels. Just. I can't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 17:02:47 GMT -5
I know it's hard for you to not be racist, but trust us, you're in the wrong on this one. .......Okay, how the f*** does this have to do with race here?!?! Black performer asks audience to not film politely, leaves stage when people continute to film. "What an egomaniacal jerk!" Given your back catalog of horrendous posts it's not hard to see.
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Post by Raskovnik on Oct 21, 2014 17:03:38 GMT -5
Holy shit, I have never seen one member be so consistently aggressive and wrong.
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Post by Michael Coello on Oct 21, 2014 17:04:04 GMT -5
Well, now I think I know the problem. No, Chris Rock is not the same as whatever other person, you me or whoever, getting filmed. Dude is a world famous comedian, actor, director, producer, etc. His appearance, like it or not, is seem as a BIG FREAKIN DEAL, for good reason. Also, If he was with his kids on a trip, yeah he has all rights to that privacy. If he was walking to the store, yeah, don't put a camera in his face. But he's on a stage, looking to perform. All bets are off there. People have ALL THE RIGHT to take a damn picture or clip of it, just as much as he has the right to walk out when they did that. Just as you all have the right to call those fans jackasses, I have to right to call HIM one. There's no difference between on-stage or off-stage, if someone asks you not to film them, it's not okay to keep filming them. Being on stage doesn't take away basic human rights and allow everyone to do whatever they want with no say on your part. Actually, it's a damn big difference. It's the entire point, where this is him going off and doing his job for the attention of this crowd. It is not the same as some jackass bum rushing him on the street when he's trying to drink.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 17:04:39 GMT -5
It's really f***ing hard to be a decent person, isn't it? Put your phone away and stop being an inconsiderate prick.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 17:07:08 GMT -5
And - not for nothing - if he wasn't a celebrity I'd expect the same treatment for him. If you try to record anyone - actor, writer, director, postal worker, drivethru cashier - and they ask you not to, you should stop recording them. Its your obligation as a member of the human race to respect other people's wishes (as long as its not hurting anyone else or they're committing a crime, etc etc). Well, now I think I know the problem. No, Chris Rock is not the same as whatever other person, you me or whoever, getting filmed. Dude is a world famous comedian, actor, director, producer, etc. His appearance, like it or not, is seem as a BIG FREAKIN DEAL, for good reason. Also, If he was with his kids on a trip, yeah he has all rights to that privacy. If he was walking to the store, yeah, don't put a camera in his face. But he's on a stage, looking to perform. All bets are off there. People have ALL THE RIGHT to take a damn picture or clip of it, just as much as he has the right to walk out when they did that. Just as you all have the right to call those fans jackasses, I have to right to call HIM one. What does your moral compass say about piracy in general? Do you have any appreciation for the idea of supporting artists? Or are they just empty vessels that exist for our amusement no matter which way we can get it? It's no different than musicians wanting you to pay for music, Chris Rock's livelihood is on perfecting those jokes in clubs and putting it on TV so it affects his business for that stuff to leak. Yes, you CAN record it, but it's a dick move. If you wish to claim to have any respect for the artist it's especially a dick move. It doesn't matter how rich he is already, this is his trade and he's protecting his work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 17:07:54 GMT -5
Yeah. Look.
The closest thing to a stand-up comic there is is a theatrical performance. Its bascially a one-man play.
You're not supposed to video record a theatrical performance. You'll be asked to leave if you do.
Same goes for a stand up comedy peformance.
Also Chris Rock's material is HIS material. he created a piece of performance art/comedy/whatever that is his work that he can distribute at HIS discretion.
His creative property isn't the audience member's to decide whether or not it should be recorded.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Oct 21, 2014 17:08:00 GMT -5
Several of you need to stop flaming people period. You disagree, fine, but stop flaming now.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 21, 2014 17:11:47 GMT -5
There's no difference between on-stage or off-stage, if someone asks you not to film them, it's not okay to keep filming them. Being on stage doesn't take away basic human rights and allow everyone to do whatever they want with no say on your part. Actually, it's a damn big difference. It's the entire point, where this is him going off and doing his job for the attention of this crowd. It is not the same as some jackass bum rushing him on the street when he's trying to drink. But that still doesn't give the audience a right to film his performance. If a human being (Chris Rock) asks another human being (the guy filming) to not film him and he continues doing it, why is there an obligation to keep performing if this was a surprise set? You can't receive something, take it for granted, and expect to continue receiving it. That's not how life works.
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