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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Sept 1, 2014 14:48:02 GMT -5
What if you have an Uncle named Ruckus?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 1, 2014 14:48:32 GMT -5
White people had absolutely every single other network. At its creation, BET was absolutely necessary as a chance for black voices and black faces on television. You do realize that white people are allowed and have been allowed to do anything and everything, right? Can you honestly ever thing of a time in your life where you could legitimately say "It's unfortunate that white people haven't had a fair representation in the media or a say in world affairs?" I kept telling myself I wouldn't jump in this thread but I feel the need to pop in and agree 100% with this. It's why I'm always baffled when people question why there isn't a White History month. It's like, "brah, EVERY month is white history month." I do have to admit that as a non-white person, I feel sorry for white people because they are unable to truly express "pride for their heritage" the way that we do. I think that's where the "We should have a WET/White History Month" comes from. We get to be "black and proud of it", and they don't, even with all the privileges they've had.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 1, 2014 14:58:44 GMT -5
I kept telling myself I wouldn't jump in this thread but I feel the need to pop in and agree 100% with this. It's why I'm always baffled when people question why there isn't a White History month. It's like, "brah, EVERY month is white history month." I do have to admit that as a non-white person, I feel sorry for white people because they are unable to truly express "pride for their heritage" the way that we do. I don't. I certainly don't think white people should feel ashamed or anything like that but come on now. Black History month exists because a group of people had their history downplayed and ignored for HUNDREDS OF YEARS. White people don't need their own day. Mainstream America is a celebration of white people and it's culture.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 1, 2014 14:59:58 GMT -5
White people had absolutely every single other network. At its creation, BET was absolutely necessary as a chance for black voices and black faces on television. You do realize that white people are allowed and have been allowed to do anything and everything, right? Can you honestly ever thing of a time in your life where you could legitimately say "It's unfortunate that white people haven't had a fair representation in the media or a say in world affairs?" I kept telling myself I wouldn't jump in this thread but I feel the need to pop in and agree 100% with this. It's why I'm always baffled when people question why there isn't a White History month. It's like, "brah, EVERY month is white history month." To be fair, we give y'all an extra day every four years. Jussssss kiddin.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 1, 2014 15:00:15 GMT -5
The first one is actually a valid argument. Personally, I don't think ANY race should have a separate tv network, but I'm sick of everyone else being allowed to do stuff but white people. It's racism against white people and I'm tired of the fact that it still goes on in this country. White people had absolutely every single other network. At its creation, BET was absolutely necessary as a chance for black voices and black faces on television. Okay. No. Every other channel have A VARIETY of different races on various different shows, all in various harmony, depending on the channel. Tbs had all of Tyler Perry's series with Sullivan & Son and Ground Floor. Soul Man and Hot in Cleveland mixing together on TV Land. FX had shows with Charlie Sheen, George Lopez, Martin Lawrence and Kelsey Grammar. That's not even the whole tip of the iceberg, as most shows having a variety of actors of different nationalities telling bad sitcom jokes. Please, stop acting like everything not on BET or Univision is the Honky Channel.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Sept 1, 2014 15:02:47 GMT -5
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Sept 1, 2014 15:05:18 GMT -5
White people had absolutely every single other network. At its creation, BET was absolutely necessary as a chance for black voices and black faces on television. Okay. No. Every other channel have A VARIETY of different races on various different shows, all in various harmony, depending on the channel. Tbs had all of Tyler Perry's series with Sullivan & Son and Ground Floor. Soul Man and Hot in Cleveland mixing together on TV Land. FX had shows with Charlie Sheen, George Lopez, Martin Lawrence and Kelsey Grammar. That's not even the whole tip of the iceberg, as most shows having a variety of actors of different nationalities telling bad sitcom jokes. Please, stop acting like everything not on BET or Univision is the Honky Channel. That's now, chazraps is talking about when BET was first created.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Sept 1, 2014 15:08:03 GMT -5
Okay. No. Every other channel have A VARIETY of different races on various different shows, all in various harmony, depending on the channel. Tbs had all of Tyler Perry's series with Sullivan & Son and Ground Floor. Soul Man and Hot in Cleveland mixing together on TV Land. FX had shows with Charlie Sheen, George Lopez, Martin Lawrence and Kelsey Grammar. That's not even the whole tip of the iceberg, as most shows having a variety of actors of different nationalities telling bad sitcom jokes. Please, stop acting like everything not on BET or Univision is the Honky Channel. That's now, chazraps is talking about when BET was first created. It's not a fight that will be won unfortunately. Now growing up with a bunch of black friends that would've kicked my ass had I said some ignorant shit may have given me a different perspective on the matter but literally no matter what, if white folks have something and a minority gets it too, white folks want more of it and a better version. Ignorant white folks I mean.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 1, 2014 15:08:09 GMT -5
White people had absolutely every single other network. At its creation, BET was absolutely necessary as a chance for black voices and black faces on television. Okay. No. Every other channel have A VARIETY of different races on various different shows, all in various harmony, depending on the channel. Tbs had all of Tyler Perry's series with Sullivan & Son and Ground Floor. Soul Man and Hot in Cleveland mixing together on TV Land. FX had shows with Charlie Sheen, George Lopez, Martin Lawrence and Kelsey Grammar. That's not even the whole tip of the iceberg, as most shows having a variety of actors of different nationalities telling bad sitcom jokes. Please, stop acting like everything not on BET or Univision is the Honky Channel. ...What? Dude, this is reaching like crazy. How does the modern TV landscape change the fact that there needed to be a seperate channel for blacks in 1979 when BET launched?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 15:12:16 GMT -5
To be serious, the most white people are gonna get out of non-whites saying/doing racist stuff is hurt feelings, which is VERY apparent in this thread. Outside of that, you can't be sitting here, getting mad over a damn video when on a daily basis non-whites have to worry about their safety and having to work twice as hard as y'all to only get a fraction of what y'all got. Simple as that. Don't get mad at us non-whites because at the end of the day, it all goes back to white Europeans. In response to that comment, I think Chris Rock summed it up nicely... I'm confused by this. Dentists and doctors get paid really, really well. They go to school for 8 years to do it, and it's a lot more vital than entertainment. Is his point that black dentists don't get paid as much? Or that dentists get paid too much? Or that there's no black dentists?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 1, 2014 15:14:21 GMT -5
In response to that comment, I think Chris Rock summed it up nicely... I'm confused by this. Dentists and doctors get paid really, really well. They go to school for 8 years to do it, and it's a lot more vital than entertainment. Is his point that black dentists don't get paid as much? Or that dentists get paid too much? Or that there's no black dentists? I think his point is that black people have to be "god tier" to live in the same neighborhood as "normal" white people.
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Post by Dragonfly on Sept 1, 2014 15:14:35 GMT -5
But yeah, in short there's plenty of northern bigotry and I think a large part of that is because northerners can point to the southern redneck bigot as an example. That's my hometown right there. There are guys I graduated high school with, people who could repeat The Turner Diaries by heart (not joking), that said it was fine because "they're worse in West Virginia." They also claimed that being diehard fans of Tupac and Bone Thugs n Harmony wasn't hypocritical because they also liked Garth Brooks. That's my uncle. He's extremely left, but has no problem using the phrase "How 'bout them [racial term common in Eastern Pennsylvania... I think it was in Do the Right Thing]" as a conversation starter.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 1, 2014 15:15:19 GMT -5
I'm confused by this. Dentists and doctors get paid really, really well. They go to school for 8 years to do it, and it's a lot more vital than entertainment. Is his point that black dentists don't get paid as much? Or that dentists get paid too much? Or that there's no black dentists? I think his point is that black people have to be "god tier" to live in the same neighborhood as "normal" white people. Exactly. Thanks, I was trying to think of a way to phase that but couldn't think of the right words for it.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 1, 2014 15:22:27 GMT -5
Okay. No. Every other channel have A VARIETY of different races on various different shows, all in various harmony, depending on the channel. Tbs had all of Tyler Perry's series with Sullivan & Son and Ground Floor. Soul Man and Hot in Cleveland mixing together on TV Land. FX had shows with Charlie Sheen, George Lopez, Martin Lawrence and Kelsey Grammar. That's not even the whole tip of the iceberg, as most shows having a variety of actors of different nationalities telling bad sitcom jokes. Please, stop acting like everything not on BET or Univision is the Honky Channel. That's now, chazraps is talking about when BET was first created. Even then, in 83, you still had A Team, Jeffersons, Benson, Soul Train, CHiPs, Fat Albert, not to mention this was the year of Thriller and Michael Jackson.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 1, 2014 15:25:48 GMT -5
In response to that comment, I think Chris Rock summed it up nicely... I'm confused by this. Dentists and doctors get paid really, really well. They go to school for 8 years to do it, and it's a lot more vital than entertainment. Is his point that black dentists don't get paid as much? Or that dentists get paid too much? Or that there's no black dentists? He's saying that generally a black dentist or whatever would have to excel whereas a white one could be merely good when it comes to living in the same neighborhoods. It's sorta why, kinda, the Cosby show was a big deal in portrayals of families in that they weren't low income or live in a bad neighborhood--Cliff was a dr and Claire was a lawyer. Back then, you didn't really see much of that. Even say the Jeffersons, they'd 'made' it; and a lot of the stories was them reacting to a society that saw them as "different". For the most part, the Huxtables weren't. I honestly don't think Bill gets enough credit for having a 'black' show that put across a 'normal' family where race was secondary. I think something like Cosby show changed a lot of people's perceptions, even if only subtly.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 1, 2014 15:29:30 GMT -5
White people had absolutely every single other network. At its creation, BET was absolutely necessary as a chance for black voices and black faces on television. Okay. No. Every other channel have A VARIETY of different races on various different shows, all in various harmony, depending on the channel. Tbs had all of Tyler Perry's series with Sullivan & Son and Ground Floor. Soul Man and Hot in Cleveland mixing together on TV Land. FX had shows with Charlie Sheen, George Lopez, Martin Lawrence and Kelsey Grammar. That's not even the whole tip of the iceberg, as most shows having a variety of actors of different nationalities telling bad sitcom jokes. Please, stop acting like everything not on BET or Univision is the Honky Channel. Look at the verb: "had." Of course things are better now. But these are all VERY recent developments. Please stop acting like your examples, while they are signs of progress, are even a drop in the bucket compared to the overwhelming whiteness of American media.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 1, 2014 15:30:01 GMT -5
That's now, chazraps is talking about when BET was first created. Even then, in 83, you still had A Team, Jeffersons, Benson, Soul Train, CHiPs, Fat Albert, not to mention this was the year of Thriller and Michael Jackson. Again, reaching. How does that change the issue that all of the major stations were owned by white people that weren't particularly interested in celebrating black culture? MTV was forced to play Thriller due to popular demand, it's not like they just did it out of the kindness of their hearts. On top of that, think of all the TV shows that were out there in 83. You listed 6 shows. Not very equal, is it? Just because black people were on TV doesn't mean that race issues didn't exist in the industry. Like, at f***ing all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 15:31:15 GMT -5
I'd like to provide an anecdote.
I was out for a friend's bachelor party the other night. We've been friends for 15 years, and he's a great friend, but he is racist, his whole damn family is racist. My friend served in the Marines so that helped him out because he realized people are people (duh), but it's still ingrained in him. He's more the "why isn't there a WET?" type racist now, which is annoying but whatever.
Anyway, we're downtown hitting a few bars, and we were outside for a smoke trying to figure out where to go next. One of those silly beat-up party busses came rolling down the street, and a black guy was hanging out the window just like yelling random non-offensive greetings, like yeah what's up nothing at all crazy or offensive. My friend's younger brother, who I thought was a decent kid, turns to me and says:
"he's a f***in n*****. *beat* you know that right?" At this point I patronize him by saying "oh, yeah man" while looking at him like he had 3 heads. "He's just some f***in stupid n*****, who wants to marry a f***in white chick, and move to the suburbs. NO WAY man."
My jaw dropped and I just sort of turned around. This is someone I've known for a good while, not that well I guess. He certainly never struck me as an extremist like that, to the point where he felt like giving me an impromptu lecture about it...I'll never think of him the same again. I knew such thought existed but that sort of slapped me in the face that people still think that way.
I'm sorry that anyone has to be judged like that. That being said, he also wanted to beat someone up later on because "he was wearnig these faggy white sunglasses, and they were behind his head." So it's not just race, more anyone that isn't a white guy wearing a plaid shirt drinking a beer.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Sept 1, 2014 15:31:20 GMT -5
I'll be honest with all you in this thread, I know more racist people now that I live in Wyoming than I did growing up in Arkansas and the difference in demographics is astounding. 93% of this f***ing state is flat out white people. Racism is a problem everywhere, you can't just point to specific part of the country and say "Oh, there's where the racists are!"
And on the subject of BET, if I was (more than 2%) black then I would certainly want to see more of my culture represented places that aren't one channel that, quite frankly, is pretty f***ing racist in it's own right. Now me? I'm a 23 year old, middle class white dude that has certainly seen the struggle but if I wanna see people like me on television I gotta put it on...well, anything. That's because middle class white folks dominate TV. That's why Modern Family wins Emmys yearly despite not even being the best comedy on TV and why the Big Bang Theory and Everybody Loves Raymond (both are horrible f***ing shows BTW) are on EVERY CHANNEL. Personally, I really hate that. In all honesty, I'm more of Jeffersons, Sanford & Son, Cosby kinda guy but I'm not gonna pretend that just because I can see reruns of the Cosby Show or Sanford & Son, and the Jefferson that means minorities are fairly represented because they aren't. They're usual relegated to being the funny neighbor or the one black you guy ever see at the poker game. And it's certainly not a lack of talent from the community that's doing that.
I just think it's f***ed up to be a minority and have a show on TV you gotta either be a Wayans, Bill Cosby, or the dreadfully unfunny Mindy Kaling. Or you have to be a channel with limited range. Hell, where I live we don't even HAVE BET in our cable package. It's not even offered as an option. That's pretty f***ed.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 1, 2014 15:33:59 GMT -5
That's now, chazraps is talking about when BET was first created. Even then, in 83, you still had A Team, Jeffersons, Benson, Soul Train, CHiPs, Fat Albert, not to mention this was the year of Thriller and Michael Jackson. The heck does Thriller and Michael Jackson have anything to do with it? Your examples are literally the only examples, and even they paint a worse picture for how things were. SIX shows vs the entire rest of network and cable television. Even if they were on the same network, that's only three out of 168 hours, meaning you had a (mostly white-written) black representation for exactly 0.02% of a broadcast week.
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