Glitch
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Post by Glitch on Sept 1, 2014 2:57:25 GMT -5
This thread had some weird swerves.
A funny video was posted. Some laughs. People got upset about only white people being shown as racist. Counter acting to the upset people. A long and civil discussion about race.
This jumped around a lot.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Sept 1, 2014 3:52:05 GMT -5
I'm one of the whitest white dudes that's ever been white (Seriously, I have Irish/Scottish/German ancestry.. pigment, not so much); and honestly if someone was to call me a white slur, I'd probably laugh. I mean: Cracker? Honkey? Those are just funny. Yeah, I remember a friend of mine arguing with a black dude outside a club a while ago, and the dude called him a honkey, and it instantly diffused the situation because no-one could take it seriously anymore after that. On second thoughts, it's probably for the best if we keep honkey.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Sept 1, 2014 4:03:14 GMT -5
Don't be racist. Hate everyone equally, and be done with it.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 1, 2014 4:31:27 GMT -5
I really wanted to just post 'honkies, amirite?' with no context, but I'm a little bit terrified of what the response would be.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Sept 1, 2014 4:54:09 GMT -5
I really wanted to just post 'honkies, amirite?' with no context, but I'm a little bit terrified of what the response would be. YOU SUNUVA BITCH!
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 1, 2014 7:05:28 GMT -5
To be serious, the most white people are gonna get out of non-whites saying/doing racist stuff is hurt feelings, which is VERY apparent in this thread. Outside of that, you can't be sitting here, getting mad over a damn video when on a daily basis non-whites have to worry about their safety and having to work twice as hard as y'all to only get a fraction of what y'all got. Simple as that. Don't get mad at us non-whites because at the end of the day, it all goes back to white Europeans. In response to that comment, I think Chris Rock summed it up nicely... It's a really important observation, too; studies indicate that we still have a major problem today concerning racial profiling and housing/real estate/bank loans/property value/etc. Like, take two wealthy professionals (doctors, lawyers, whatever), one white and the other black, each earning the same amount of money, something high like $250,000 a year. The studies show that, on the average, the white professional is much, much more likely to live in a neighborhood surrounded by people making at or near the same amount as money as he/she, while the black professional is much, much more likely to live in a racially segregated neighborhood, surrounded by people much poorer than him/her. And if people want to see a history of Northern racism, look no further than how the black ghettos on the south side of Chicago were born (mostly blockbusting with some white flight mixed in, all fully endorsed by the local government). The difference back then was between de jure segregation (by the law, like Jim Crow) in the South, and de facto segregation in the North.
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Post by Danimal on Sept 1, 2014 9:10:34 GMT -5
I'm one of the whitest white dudes that's ever been white (Seriously, I have Irish/Scottish/German ancestry.. pigment, not so much); and honestly if someone was to call me a white slur, I'd probably laugh. I mean: Cracker? Honkey? Those are just funny. Yeah, I remember a friend of mine arguing with a black dude outside a club a while ago, and the dude called him a honkey, and it instantly diffused the situation because no-one could take it seriously anymore after that. On second thoughts, it's probably for the best if we keep honkey. Ya, all I can think of when I hear honkey is George Jefferson. Can't be mad thinking of George Jefferson, it's impossible. Hell I use cracker plenty myself. As far as the video goes it was typical hack political humor that makes me appreciate what an artist John Stewart is. But I wasn't offended by it. I do think the part about the Asian dude was moronic. You aren't racist because you aren't attracted to somebody. There are some that pretty-much only date interracially, are they racist against themselves?
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 1, 2014 9:20:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I remember a friend of mine arguing with a black dude outside a club a while ago, and the dude called him a honkey, and it instantly diffused the situation because no-one could take it seriously anymore after that. On second thoughts, it's probably for the best if we keep honkey. Ya, all I can think of when I hear honkey is George Jefferson. Can't be mad thinking of George Jefferson, it's impossible. Hell I use cracker plenty myself. As far as the video goes it was typical hack political humor that makes me appreciate what an artist John Stewart is. But I wasn't offended by it. I do think the part about the Asian dude was moronic. You aren't racist because you aren't attracted to somebody. There are some that pretty-much only date interracially, are they racist against themselves? Eh, that was addressed earlier; the issue isn't so much "You know, I find that I tend not to be attracted very often to </whatever group>", which in and of itself is a pretty innocuous observation, it's when it's more "I'm not attracted to </whatever group>, period", as a definitive statement. The latter, though it's probably almost never meant this way, means that you're taking all people of a certain ethnicity and essentially saying "They all look the same", since no group exists where there isn't an insane amount of variation. Saying, for example, "I don't date black girls" supposes that all black women look similarly, act similarly, and that via those similarities you can safely say you're not attracted to any black women. Again, I don't think everybody who says it necessarily means it maliciously; like, with your example at the end there, a lot about who we are attracted to can have to do with how we've been socialized. Like, am I more likely to be attracted to members of the same group I'm in, since I was mostly raised around people of similar backgrounds? Or does that mean I'll want to "break out", so to speak, and seek out people who not only look different, but come from different life/cultural experiences? Do people who do a lot of interracial dating do so simply because they interact with a lot more people of various backgrounds, or is it because something in their upbringing drove them to seek people of different backgrounds out? If the answer is "because it's a fetish" or something creepy like that then yeah, it's pretty weird, but it's a lot more complicated than that for most people.
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Post by khali on Sept 1, 2014 9:50:38 GMT -5
I don't remember who said it, but some comedian noted that since the US was formed, the white male is the only person who can be treated well no matter what time he goes back to. Any other race can find one time of oppression in America, but not the white male. As a white male, I have it good. It's been said before, but the difference with racism against white people is that it will not adversely effect my life. I'm not going to get pulled over by cops at a high rate, for instance. Being white has NEVER negatively impacted my life and it never will.
Jon Stewart gave an example on the Daily Show recently. Heading into a buildling, a white producer and black on air personality walked in at the same time. White producer hadn't shaved in several days and apparently looked homeless. Black guy was dressed very nicely in a suit. White guy walked right through security, while the black guy got stopped.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Sept 1, 2014 10:04:20 GMT -5
You know, I'm not a fan of "The black people."
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Sept 1, 2014 11:16:28 GMT -5
What exactly is a "white demographic"? The white demographic is the one the entire industry was created on, to the point where it's pretty much the default protagonist/leader of most major tv shows, while members of any other groups may get a secondary character role. That's the reason the black kid being named Token in South Park is so damn funny. That's how it it's been for so long, a mainly white cast of characters where a black person comes in to fill whatever jokes they need. TV has been doing better to an extent, and there's nothing wrong with white protagonists or mainly white casts, Caucasian is the majority in the country after all, but the cliche of there not being a WET is weak because it implies that that's not already there when it consists of the vast majority of entertainment. A sitcom with a predominantly black cast gets the "black sitcom" label, whereas a sitcom with a white cast is just a sitcom. There are countless. You just don't tend to think about these things, but they're still present. If there was a White Entertainment Television network, what shows would they air? What reruns? What music? It'd be the sames types of things you see on any number of networks. Unless it was a supremacist-run network, a "White Entertainment Television" network wouldn't be any different from any number of networks already. It'd just be another Spike or FX or CMT. It's also why there doesn't need to be a white history month or a white fraternity or a white college, those are the defaults in life, and the alternatives were created not because of anti-white racism, but because minorities don't tend to get the opportunities. Well said! You can apply this to the same reason as to why there isn't a Straight Pride Parade, etc.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 1, 2014 11:49:14 GMT -5
It helps to think about it this way: racism in society is sort of like a carnival game and non-whites are the players. Sure, someone might be able to overcome the game on their own every once in awhile, but it's still rigged.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Sept 1, 2014 12:02:10 GMT -5
You know, I'm not a fan of "The black people." I know what you mean man. I hate Klingons too.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 1, 2014 12:02:54 GMT -5
It helps to think about it this way: racism in society is sort of like a carnival game and non-whites are the players. Sure, someone might be able to overcome the game on their own every once in awhile, but it's still rigged.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 12:13:28 GMT -5
I've been liking the **** out of posts in this thread. Great job teens.
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Post by Raskovnik on Sept 1, 2014 12:23:41 GMT -5
I have the misfortune of being able to pass for several different races depending on where I am and/or who I'm hanging out with so I have been called everything under the sun by everyone. I look out of place in my own family, don't REALLY fit in anywhere, and no one particularly wants me. It is a ridiculous problem to have. I am not exactly bummed about it, but basically not only do I get hated on for being Native American (which actually is a big part of what I am), it's also for being Mexican, a Pacific islander, Japanese (except now that I live in a predominantly Japanese neighborhood I'm just a huge dude who they give dirty looks and won't say hi to, haha) and so on, without actually being accepted by any of those groups either so it's like all of the perks of being a target without any of the solidarity. My friends and I poke fun at it though, which is about all you can do. For the longest time I've always just considered myself "white" but that clearly does not cut it for most people, except when it is convenient for someone to think of me as such. This isn't even exactly on topic, I just saw we were talking about racism and I decided to share my experiences and to see if maybe anyone else has gone through something similar.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 1, 2014 14:17:45 GMT -5
The first one is actually a valid argument. Personally, I don't think ANY race should have a separate tv network, but I'm sick of everyone else being allowed to do stuff but white people. It's racism against white people and I'm tired of the fact that it still goes on in this country. White people had absolutely every single other network. At its creation, BET was absolutely necessary as a chance for black voices and black faces on television. You do realize that white people are allowed and have been allowed to do anything and everything, right? Can you honestly ever thing of a time in your life where you could legitimately say "It's unfortunate that white people haven't had a fair representation in the media or a say in world affairs?"
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 1, 2014 14:27:07 GMT -5
The first one is actually a valid argument. Personally, I don't think ANY race should have a separate tv network, but I'm sick of everyone else being allowed to do stuff but white people. It's racism against white people and I'm tired of the fact that it still goes on in this country. White people had absolutely every single other network. At its creation, BET was absolutely necessary as a chance for black voices and black faces on television. You do realize that white people are allowed and have been allowed to do anything and everything, right? Can you honestly ever thing of a time in your life where you could legitimately say "It's unfortunate that white people haven't had a fair representation in the media or a say in world affairs?" I kept telling myself I wouldn't jump in this thread but I feel the need to pop in and agree 100% with this. It's why I'm always baffled when people question why there isn't a White History month. It's like, "brah, EVERY month is white history month."
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Post by Goldenbane on Sept 1, 2014 14:34:02 GMT -5
There's so many things that keep whites and blacks from becoming friends and putting aside the racism. Anyone who says the term "Uncle Tom" needs to have the living shit beaten out of them. They are just as big a problem as the hate filled white racists. If a black guy has white friends, get off his back and leave him alone. It doesn't mean he wants to be chained up and enslaved again, nor does it mean his white friends want to do such to him. IMO, people who like to say "Uncle Tom" towards blacks with white friends can f*** off. What if your Uncle IS named Tom? Then don't look at him with utter contempt and in a derogatory voice snarl "UNCLE TOM!!!!!" when he's hanging out with his white friend(s)!
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 1, 2014 14:43:58 GMT -5
That's why I don't judge by race. I judge by how stupid people are. I still hate everyone...
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