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Post by Digital Witness on Nov 9, 2014 20:34:54 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they will send Bayley out there with no character development(Like Emma) and she will not get over at all. I think if Bayley gets the wacky inflatable arm flailing tube men and the colorful entrance, that will help get her over. Also having her hug other superstars/divas in awkwardly hilarious ways will help get her over. At least until she tries to hug Stephanie and takes the express train to Buryville. |
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Post by Richard on Nov 9, 2014 21:07:30 GMT -5
I don't see Neville getting past Kofi level but I also don't see that as tanking or a bad thing.
Zayn is good but unless he or Hunter find him a gimmick he'll be DOA.
Like others I worry Bayley will be treated like Emma.
I think Tyler will do far better than others because there is something there for Vince to sports entertain with.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Nov 9, 2014 21:16:13 GMT -5
I think Charlotte will dominate the divas division. As far as the guys I dunno. They brought Bo in as a big deal but the way his booking goes it doesn't look like they plan on making him a Main Eventer and he's miles better on the mic than Zayn and Neville. Breeze possibly but his size may be a problem.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 9, 2014 21:29:14 GMT -5
I don't know why anyone thinks Zayn will tank. Look at Daniel Bryan, for pete's sake. Zayn is cut from the same cloth. A natural, sympathetic babyface.
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Post by DIIV on Nov 9, 2014 21:31:34 GMT -5
Kevin Nash, is that you?
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Post by Richard on Nov 9, 2014 21:34:05 GMT -5
I don't know why anyone thinks Zayn will tank. Look at Daniel Bryan, for pete's sake. Zayn is cut from the same cloth. A natural, sympathetic babyface. Bryan was a dead in the water babyface until they turned him heel and had him abusing AJ. People did not care about his matches until halfway into them and he just floated around the card worse than Kofi has. |
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Post by Digital Witness on Nov 9, 2014 21:42:38 GMT -5
I don't see Neville getting past Kofi level but I also don't see that as tanking or a bad thing. Zayn is good but unless he or Hunter find him a gimmick he'll be DOA. Like others I worry Bayley will be treated like Emma. I think Tyler will do far better than others because there is something there for Vince to sports entertain with.I think Hunter is waiting in a lot of cases for Vince to bugger off so that they don't have to worry as to whether or not Vince is entertained. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 21:53:17 GMT -5
Man, people thinking Tyler Breeze won't make it?
Tyler Breeze is so Post-Marty-Jannetty-Diving-Through-The-Barber-Shop-Window Shawn Michaels that I'd be horribly surprised if they don't push him.
Hell, give the guy a bodyguard and he would totally be Shawn back in the day.
Bonus points if that bodyguard somehow turns out to be Tamina.
He wins at all wrestling forever if his bodyguard ends up being Big Daddy Cool Diesel.
As for these guys ending up in the mid-card, I don't even mind that.
...if the mid-card is actually filled with people and decent matches we're allowed to care about as opposed to having decent matches that are largely interchangeable.
If they pull the same Aimless Floaty Mid-Card Bullshit they've been pulling for the past decade? We'll be right back here complaining about how nothing outside the main-event matters and how the booking has ruined yet another generation of wrestlers.
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Post by RI Richmark on Nov 9, 2014 22:10:19 GMT -5
Based on what I saw before NXT got moved to Hulu Plus:
Itami should be ok. The WWE sees him as their best chance to appeal to the Japanese market so he'll be given every chance to succeed.
Like many posters I also see similarities between Zayn & Daniel Bryan as fan support goes. Maybe that support doesn't carry Zayn to the WWE title but it should keep him at least in the midcard.
I don't like Neville's chances. Like Evan Bourne he doesn't appear to have much beyond some impressive high flying moves. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by BRV on Nov 9, 2014 22:13:02 GMT -5
Bayley.
All of her adorable quirks on NXT will translate into "Female Eugene" on Raw.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 9, 2014 22:17:35 GMT -5
I'm on the side of it's trolling, but I will say that Tyler Breeze's biggest obstacle is he has a dreaded "NXT gimmick". The same one Bo Dallas, Emma and Adam Rose had. Breeze is incredibly talented though, so he might be able to overcome it, but it's really tough.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Nov 9, 2014 22:27:34 GMT -5
Sami Zayn
He just seems to lack anything resembling a personality.
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 9, 2014 23:29:31 GMT -5
Zayn should be okay in that he at least knows how to play a white meat babyface and can get the crowd to sympathize. Most of these guys though? If WWE had a cruiser belt maybe they could get over but they don't. Too many of these NXT guys don't pass the basic "Could this guy kick my ass?" test that is imperative for a pro wrestler. Frankly I see no one in NXT that I would seriously want to build my company around and there seems to be a disconnect going between what HHH wants as his pet project alternative style show and the main WWE roster. I say this because when OVW was a developmental territory you could watch with the thought in mind of "Will this guy make it on the main roster?" It was pretty obvious guys like Brock Lesnar, John Cena, Randy Orton, and the like could make it in WWE. Right now NXT seems more like an alternative show than a serious attempt to groom guys for the WWE roster.
I guess Charlotte will probably be divas champion at some point. Yay. She can be in the piss break match before the main event on a PPV.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Nov 10, 2014 0:19:03 GMT -5
I've got a good feeling that 90% of this board is gonna sour on the Vaudevillians within 3 weeks of their main roster debut. I hope so. I've despised them and have wanted them to go away from day one. Though that's the mustache guy and the gimmick. I loved Aiden English as singing jobber who got roses thrown at him (which also would have tanked on the big stage) |
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Post by Digital Witness on Nov 10, 2014 0:56:07 GMT -5
Zayn should be okay in that he at least knows how to play a white meat babyface and can get the crowd to sympathize. Most of these guys though? If WWE had a cruiser belt maybe they could get over but they don't. T oo many of these NXT guys don't pass the basic "Could this guy kick my ass?" test that is imperative for a pro wrestler. Frankly I see no one in NXT that I would seriously want to build my company around and there seems to be a disconnect going between what HHH wants as his pet project alternative style show and the main WWE roster. I say this because when OVW was a developmental territory you could watch with the thought in mind of "Will this guy make it on the main roster?" It was pretty obvious guys like Brock Lesnar, John Cena, Randy Orton, and the like could make it in WWE. Right now NXT seems more like an alternative show than a serious attempt to groom guys for the WWE roster. I guess Charlotte will probably be divas champion at some point. Yay. She can be in the piss break match before the main event on a PPV. I call bullshit on this. Perhaps you don't think guys that are well conditioned and athletically trained aren't tough, but I'm pretty sure an Adrian Nevelle or Sami Zayn could probably take me in a fight. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that you don't have to be Brock Lesnar or be some 6'+ 250 lbs+ Greek god to beat the crap out of somebody. In fact, one of the baddest bad asses to ever bad ass; Danny Hodge was 5'10" and under 200 lbs. If you're looking for the era of hulking 7' tall 300+ lbs monstrosities, it came and went long ago. |
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Post by KobashiChop on Nov 10, 2014 3:21:39 GMT -5
The gimmick and the performance are fine, but I have a feeling that creative will have no clue what to do with Tyler Breeze on the main roster. And here lies the problem. Raws booking team sucks when it comes to new talent. They get it right once in about ten tries |
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 10, 2014 3:34:57 GMT -5
I'm on the side of it's trolling, but I will say that Tyler Breeze's biggest obstacle is he has a dreaded "NXT gimmick". The same one Bo Dallas, Emma and Adam Rose had. Breeze is incredibly talented though, so he might be able to overcome it, but it's really tough. Even if there's an "NXT gimmick" problem- the simple fact that Big E Langston, possibly the most can't-miss guy who was a genuine regular on NXT television since it went Full Sail-exclusive...managed to miss, I'd say that the problem might be less "NXT gimmick" and more "Kevin Dunn burying anyone who can be a NXT, and thus, Triple H Guy, out of spite". If that's the case...quite frankly, every single NXT person is going to tank on the main roster, and it'll be that way until Vince/Dunn are gone- in which case they'll suddenly thrive. |
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Post by Session Moth is over on Nov 10, 2014 3:53:23 GMT -5
Sami Zayn He just seems to lack anything resembling a personality. Wait..what? |
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Post by keezy on Nov 10, 2014 4:20:36 GMT -5
I think the more over-the-top people will fail the most, we've seen with Brodus Clay, Fandango, Adam Rose and Los Matadores that they book these people in a way that makes you get sick of them really fast.
So Vaudvillians, Tyler Breeze, Mojo Rawley will probably fall victim to this.
I think Zayn, Neville, Balor, Itami need a 'YES' type thing to go past midcard level, they will be booked like pre-YES Bryan to begin with.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 10, 2014 10:54:24 GMT -5
Vaudevillains, the gimmick, won't work. I haven't seen enough with Gotch, but English? The dude did an awesome job with a character who won't shut up and now is doing an awesome job with a character that's silent. The guy's got skills. Bad booking would ruin him, like they would for anyone, but the problem will never be that he doesn't spin gold from what he's given. It's all in the acting.
I, uh, really wouldn't worry about Zayn: he's in the Benoit/Bryan/Punk role where they'll keep trying with him because they know how good and flexible he is in the ring, and even if he's not champ, they'll keep him near the top just to have great matches with the stars. Also, it's interesting to see what they're doing with him, because while on a smaller level, they're clearly trying to recreate Bryan: Giving him "bad booking" (he always looks awesome, but never wins the big match) to create smart-fan sympathy. They seem to actually maybe kind of know what they're doing.
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