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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 25, 2015 13:18:49 GMT -5
So are Scarlet Witch's powers just 'whatever we need them to be'?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 25, 2015 13:43:15 GMT -5
That at least would be faithful to the books
She casts Bendis waves I suppose
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Post by mrtuesday on Nov 25, 2015 14:09:48 GMT -5
So are Scarlet Witch's powers just 'whatever we need them to be'? Worked for this long in the comics.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Nov 25, 2015 15:33:24 GMT -5
A random thought about Cap/Bucky beating up Iron Man. {Spoiler}What if the main villain stole/hacked into the suit and took control of it, and now Cap/Buck are fighting it to free Tony or something?
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Post by sternrogers01 on Nov 25, 2015 16:14:36 GMT -5
A random thought about Cap/Bucky beating up Iron Man. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}What if the main villain stole/hacked into the suit and took control of it, and now Cap/Buck are fighting it to free Tony or something? {Spoiler}
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 25, 2015 16:26:57 GMT -5
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 25, 2015 16:59:33 GMT -5
So unless they have a reeeeeeally good excuse, they're derailing Iron Man to put him on the government side. So it's starting out as a faithful adaptation.
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Post by Wolfman Rose on Nov 25, 2015 17:33:43 GMT -5
So unless they have a reeeeeeally good excuse, they're derailing Iron Man to put him on the government side. So it's starting out as a faithful adaptation. It kind of does make sense for MCU!Tony. Hear me out. So Tony has always been hellbent on saving the world, and keeping it completely peaceful, since he (through his company) armed both sides of a war that caused untold civilian deaths. First it was with the armour, but it was too much for one man. So he agrees to the the Avenger initiative, only for New York to happen. Again, there's a lot of civilian deaths here. So then there's Ultron. Tony thinks his personal drone army can make the world safe, there won't be any internal, international, or interplanetary conflict, and hey, he gets to put his feet up and retire the Avengers, removing a massive target from Earth's enemies. Great. Except that doesn't work out, and in the process of having to stop one of his team-mates, he obliterates half a city. Now he's gotta be thinking "If only there was a way to control what Avengers are going on what missions. We wouldn't have an uncontrolled Hulk here." But that order damn sure can't come from him, Cap will give his politest "f*** you" and kick Tony off the team. That order needs to come from someone above the Avengers. In the past, it would be SHIELD, but that was burnt to the ground. So what do you do? Turn to a(nother) group that can issue edicts to the world, and hope they have the good sense to issue one now about people with superpowers. By siding with the government, Tony isn't looking to control heroes out of some megalomaniac complex. He wants to control them for the purpose of safety. He's trying to prevent another Hulk in SA situation. That's why it makes sense.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 25, 2015 17:44:53 GMT -5
So unless they have a reeeeeeally good excuse, they're derailing Iron Man to put him on the government side. So it's starting out as a faithful adaptation. To be fair, I'm sure he feels the weight of almost accidentally destroying the planet by creating Ultron, so he's going to have a new view on things.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 25, 2015 17:52:33 GMT -5
I'm still not sure what Tony's reason was for being pro-government in the comics other then they needed someone to be the contrarian. Age of Ultron makes his reasoning make much better sense after the Hulk incident. Any comparison between the two depictions is laughable. The Civil War comics were a pile of Cap fanboy-pandering dump.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 25, 2015 18:25:15 GMT -5
So unless they have a reeeeeeally good excuse, they're derailing Iron Man to put him on the government side. So it's starting out as a faithful adaptation. It kind of does make sense for MCU!Tony. Hear me out. So Tony has always been hellbent on saving the world, and keeping it completely peaceful, since he (through his company) armed both sides of a war that caused untold civilian deaths. First it was with the armour, but it was too much for one man. So he agrees to the the Avenger initiative, only for New York to happen. Again, there's a lot of civilian deaths here. So then there's Ultron. Tony thinks his personal drone army can make the world safe, there won't be any internal, international, or interplanetary conflict, and hey, he gets to put his feet up and retire the Avengers, removing a massive target from Earth's enemies. Great. Except that doesn't work out, and in the process of having to stop one of his team-mates, he obliterates half a city. Now he's gotta be thinking "If only there was a way to control what Avengers are going on what missions. We wouldn't have an uncontrolled Hulk here." But that order damn sure can't come from him, Cap will give his politest "f*** you" and kick Tony off the team. That order needs to come from someone above the Avengers. In the past, it would be SHIELD, but that was burnt to the ground. So what do you do? Turn to a(nother) group that can issue edicts to the world, and hope they have the good sense to issue one now about people with superpowers. By siding with the government, Tony isn't looking to control heroes out of some megalomaniac complex. He wants to control them for the purpose of safety. He's trying to prevent another Hulk in SA situation. That's why it makes sense. Oh it could make sense, and I have more faith in the people making the movie to have it make sense, but it's still a huge turnaround from Iron Man 2's congressional hearings where he was so determined to keep government away from these decisions. As you say, a lot's happened since then.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 25, 2015 19:15:39 GMT -5
Cap - "He's my friend" Tony - "So was I" Just the way RDJ delivers that line gave me chills. This looks incredible. Something about the heartbreak in his voice from Cap choosing Bucky Barnes over him has me thinking there's some validity to the "Winter Soldier killed Tony's parents" rumor.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Nov 26, 2015 1:42:47 GMT -5
Cap - "He's my friend" Tony - "So was I" Just the way RDJ delivers that line gave me chills. This looks incredible. Something about the heartbreak in his voice from Cap choosing Bucky Barnes over him has me thinking there's some validity to the "Winter Soldier killed Tony's parents" rumor. Hydra did have the Stark's murdered so it would make sense for Winter Soldier to have done the deed. If they hint more at Zola and Dr. Faustus working together in Season 2 of Agent Carter, then I'm convinced Cap bites the big one. Faustus helped Zola with the brainwashing of Bucky and their techniques live on as Sharon Carter has been slowly hypnotized over time.
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Post by héad.casé on Nov 26, 2015 5:20:26 GMT -5
Was that General Ross from the Norton Hulk movie who was talking about Cap being a vigilante? Pretty sure it was. Wonder what his role in this is?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 26, 2015 5:41:39 GMT -5
Was that General Ross from the Norton Hulk movie who was talking about Cap being a vigilante? Pretty sure it was. Wonder what his role in this is? It was. I imagine with his less-than-fond feelings for Banner he'll play the same kind of role as he did in Hulk - not an outright villain, but one of the main antagonists, which would fit into the murky, shades of grey story the trailer suggests.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 12:25:20 GMT -5
Cap - "He's my friend" Tony - "So was I" Just the way RDJ delivers that line gave me chills. This looks incredible. Something about the heartbreak in his voice from Cap choosing Bucky Barnes over him has me thinking there's some validity to the "Winter Soldier killed Tony's parents" rumor. I'm a big supporter of that theory. That seems to be too much of a detail that makes too much sense for them not to use it... Now, Black Panther's role in this is funny as... {Spoiler}{Spoiler} I don't think he gives a shit about the issues between Tony, Steve and the US Government. What he wants is to probably figure out what happened to all that Vibranium that Klaw stole from his country...
...and what the hell is that Bucky asshole doing with it on his arm. Considering that'd also be vibranium bought on the black market, I could see him trying to get that back too.
Then again, I was the one brandying around Captain America refusing to lift Mjolnir in Age of Ultron and while that idea sounded a lot better than anything else that happened in that movie, I was clearly full of shit.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 28, 2015 21:38:14 GMT -5
Now, Black Panther's role in this is funny as... Someone I'm friends with at my bookstore theorized it has more to do with {Spoiler}that very U.N.-ish-looking room at the beginning of the trailer blowing up. T'Challa would not take kind to his ambassador getting killed in a terrorist incident
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 28, 2015 21:40:51 GMT -5
I can see Panther working both sides
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Nov 28, 2015 22:05:59 GMT -5
Panther's there at least for the airport fight, but I think he goes off on his own once the film reaches the climax.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 28, 2015 22:13:46 GMT -5
I think the biggest question mark for me is still Spider-Man's involvement. We already know that Peter Parker in this world is a 15-year-old kid, very un-established. I don't see either side fighting over him, or even knowing much at all about him in general. I sincerely can't figure out how he'll logically play into things. My best guess is that Thunderbolt Ross is going to try and force him into a registry at some point, and he'll balk at it.
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