Nearly everyone looked strong in defeat in that match

[schma]

Hopefully this doesn't conflict with other SS threads, if it does go for the merging.  Watching the final match I was curious to see how many would look 'strong in defeat' given how often that's considered a pretty important thing here on the boards.  I was actually impressed that in the match really only Henry and Show looked like chumps (the latter only because his gambit didn't work).  Thing is, Henry is in the twilight of his career and he's done enough with the Hall of Pain that he can bounce back from this easy.

Ryback had to eat two finishers inside of ten seconds to be taken down.

Rowan was in a similar situation of getting nailed by Rollins and and then a clothesline that JBL gave a stamp of approval for.  Right before he was eliminated he was powering out of the chokeslam which is still relatively rare.

Rusev may have looked like a chump but he was following HHH's direction and given how much damage Ziggler had taken the risk seemed low.  The big thing here is they found a way to eliminate him without being pinned so they can still crow about that.  That and he got a lot of offence off in the match so his elimination is just a dark spot in an otherwise fine match.

Cena was sucker punched though really he hardly needs protection.

Harper was rolled up.  Really, roll ups are always treated as flukes.  A way to win a match without actually beating the guy.

Rollins did a fantastic job as the Captain and had some wonderful heat building moments ("tag your partners Ziggler, tag your partners").  He helped elminate Ryback and Rowan thanks to some timely intervention.  He had some fantastic moves.


I know that some people felt the match was over booked but really with 5vs5 elimination a lot is gonna happen.  In my opinion none of the future stars looked bad in defeat.  The ones who may have had questionable eliminations were guys who've been around long enough that nothing is going to put them down for long.  Considering how some previous SS matches have gone, I gotta say, job well done WWE.  That was actually damned impressive.

[PsychoGoatee]

I gotta agree, perfectly booked match all around. I really liked the Rusev elimination, cleverly booked.

[1 Free Moon-Down with Burger]

I don't understand what's so wrong about a big crazy overbooked spectacle match every now and then.

[Gerard Gerard]

One of my favourite bits was the crowd going from the subdued response to Ziggler/"Randy Orton" chants, like there wasn't anything worth getting to invested in since Orton was assumed inevitable, to actually buying into Ziggler as the underdog, then outright losing their collective shit as soon as Sting popped out.

In other news, I really need to work on my long-ass sentences.

[TheMediocreWarrior]

Nov 24, 2014 8:22:55 GMT -5 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger said:

I don't understand what's so wrong about a big crazy overbooked spectacle match every now and then.

This. "Oh man, WWE gave us way too much cool stuff in one match. Now it sucks!"

Sometimes complaining about something being overbooked seems like stretching to have something more to complain about. Unless it's Russo style overbooking where nothing makes sense. Then that sucks.

[Jiren]

I thought last nights main event was great. And I don't say that often.

Also another thing about Harper's elimination is Ziggler has the trousers so they can say that about it too.

[1 Free Moon-Down with Burger]

Nov 24, 2014 9:21:38 GMT -5 TheMediocreWarrior said:

Nov 24, 2014 8:22:55 GMT -5 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger said:

I don't understand what's so wrong about a big crazy overbooked spectacle match every now and then.

This. "Oh man, WWE gave us way too much cool stuff in one match. Now it sucks!"

Sometimes complaining about something being overbooked seems like stretching to have something more to complain about. Unless it's Russo style overbooking where nothing makes sense. Then that sucks.

If it was done every month (or every week like a few years in TNA) then sure. It sucks and doesn't work.

But used sparingly and in big matches like that? It's fun as shit. I almost feel like people needed SOMETHING to rag on about since the usual scapegoat of Cena Winning went out the door.

[häšhtå.gdālėÿ]

The one thing that bugged me looking back was Seth Rollins essentially dying from 2 Zig Zags and not really that much else if I recall.
I'm wondering if he's still laying unconsious there in whatever city Survivor Series was in.

[Bang Bang Bart]

Nov 24, 2014 10:38:50 GMT -5 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger said:

Nov 24, 2014 9:21:38 GMT -5 TheMediocreWarrior said:

This. "Oh man, WWE gave us way too much cool stuff in one match. Now it sucks!"

Sometimes complaining about something being overbooked seems like stretching to have something more to complain about. Unless it's Russo style overbooking where nothing makes sense. Then that sucks.

If it was done every month (or every week like a few years in TNA) then sure. It sucks and doesn't work.

But used sparingly and in big matches like that? It's fun as shit. I almost feel like people needed SOMETHING to rag on about since the usual scapegoat of Cena Winning went out the door.

Y'know, a match with major stipulations for both teams if they won needed to be overbooked. It makes it more fun.

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The only thing I really would have changed is I wouldn't have had Ziggler and Rollins lie there dead for as long as they did. Maybe do something with it where after the Death Drop Rollins swings the briefcase at Sting who ducks, then Ziggler hits another Zig-Zag on him. Other than that, very well done. Even the Ryback thing worked since it got you in a paranoid sort of mindset of, "Look how strong they built him up for this match and how they just tossed him aside! Guess the same's happening to Dolph!"

[Sponsored by Groose Wipes]

The only thing I really hated was The Big Show turn because good lord how many times have we seen him turn, but turn in the same way?

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Nov 24, 2014 12:18:08 GMT -5 Sponsored by Groose Wipes said:

The only thing I really hated was The Big Show turn because good lord how many times have we seen him turn, but turn in the same way?

Honestly, even that worked. The way they built it up where they kept being pressured over and over to back down, somebody on the face team had to give in to nerves at the last minute and it's a very consistent thing for Big Show that if put on the spot he'll make sure his checks keep coming in over anything else.

Also if I'm being honest I don't really think that felt like a heel turn. Given how much he seemed to hate himself for doing it, I'm guessing we're going to be seeing Big Show as remorseful over it and not really turning, though probably will face Cena and Ziggler in the coming weeks.

[schma]

I suspect Show will try to apologize tonight but Cena will be having none of it and tear him a new one.

But yeah, I really enjoyed that match and the crowd was actually great for a lot of it. The pacing was dramatic, you got the faceoffs you wanted and Rollins actually spent a lot of time in the ring when he didn't have to. He took on just about everyone on Team Cena at one point. Props to that.

[Grand Papillon "The Banker"]

I partially suspect that much of the match was plotted out before Sheamus got hurt (assuming his injury is legit), and that Sheamus was supposed to be the one to turn coward and Brogue Kick Cena.

[KobashiChop]

I thought the match was perfect. Everything made sense barring the insane amount of time Ziggler and Rollins were out for during Sting/HHH, but given the amount of time that had elapsed in the match, you can believe both guys would be totally spent.

Absolutely phenomenal match, had me on the edge of my seat, and when Sting came out I lost my shit.

[Macho Pichu]

After watching the Rusev elimination, my first thought was "I don't want to get splashed by that guy." I was actually more afraid of the guy after that spot than after ~6 months of buildup. It was very well done.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

This is probably my favourite Survivor Series match ever. Amazingly booked, it really was. Bags of fun, almost everyone looked strong - my only issue was Ryback getting eliminated early, but even he took multiple finishers.