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Post by gr1990 on Dec 20, 2014 15:32:43 GMT -5
Say Vince stays alive, well, and in ultimate control of all decisions in WWE for the next 5-10 years, which could very well happen unless there's some definite timetable for his retirement that's not come to light yet... what does/will he make of WWE's hiring policy in the NXT era? I can't imagine him liking any of the top NXT stars, at least not enough to make them 'the guy.' I find it amazing that he's allowed Triple H to basically hire a load of people he himself would probably be pretty ambivalent toward, and push them as megastars in a developmental brand that's ten times more visible than any before it.
Look at TLC for example; of the men in singles matches on the show, only Ziggler, Rollins and Ambrose weren't heavyweights of some description. Ziggler will probably be 'plucky underdog trying to shatter the glass ceiling' forever seeing as how even Survivor Series hasn't really elevated him, Rollins is an ineffectual coward who can't beat Cena 3-on-1 and Ambrose's PPV main events seem designed to ensure he doesn't get any kind of 'moment' that would make him a better choice than Reigns for Mania headliner in the eyes of the fans.
So far, aside from the Shield, the only NXT guys to have been called up and booked strongly are Rusev and the Wyatts, possibly with the Ascension soon to follow. All fairly big guys and all very much the exception rather than the rule in NXT. Vince doesn't have too many more where they came from. It's weird to me that we could potentially see Zayn, Balor, Owens (who is only 5'10 don't forget) and Itami flounder on the main roster under Vince, or at least be barred from being booked to be on a par with Reigns and Cena, while NXT's token big guys like Baron Corbin largely prosper. Surely Vince knows roughly who's in NXT, even if he doesn't have any input creatively? Is he aware that the kind of guys he looks for are few and far between there?
Say what you will about there being multiple examples of smaller guys who have made it to the top, but with every single one of them apart from Michaels you can also cite examples of them never being allowed to be the clear #1 and being made to look inferior to someone with a more traditional main eventer look, or Vince resisting it with all his might until fan reaction forced him to do it.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 20, 2014 17:12:09 GMT -5
Vince only sees John Cena. Punk alluded to this. Vince even basically admitted it in his own interview with Austin. He's blinkered and out of touch. There are shitloads of guys on the main roster and NXT who could be breakout stars, but with Vince's limited view of what makes a star, they can't be.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 20, 2014 18:52:39 GMT -5
Damn, y'all on this board really want Vince Mcmahon to die. Hate to break it to y'all but even though Trips and Regal may scout talent for NXT, Vince is ultimately the person who approves the contract. If Vince decides he wants a 500lb Peruvian midget for the roster, you bets to believe that will search for one.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 20, 2014 19:06:07 GMT -5
Damn, y'all on this board really want Vince Mcmahon to die. Hate to break it to y'all but even though Trips and Regal may scout talent for NXT, Vince is ultimately the person who approves the contract. If Vince decides he wants a 500lb Peruvian midget for the roster, you bets to believe that will search for one. "Who the f*** hired Raven?" I doubt Vince has much to do with the hiring process for new wrestlers these days. That said I don't think the hiring policy is that different to what it has been in the past other than perhaps being more open to international wrestlers. They're still keen to sign the most suitable indy talents, athletes from other sports and people from outside the wrestling industry like Lana. Vince's next big star could be an ex-footballer just as easily as it could be a smaller indy wrestler. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 20, 2014 19:18:12 GMT -5
Damn, y'all on this board really want Vince Mcmahon to die. Hate to break it to y'all but even though Trips and Regal may scout talent for NXT, Vince is ultimately the person who approves the contract. If Vince decides he wants a 500lb Peruvian midget for the roster, you bets to believe that will search for one. "Who the f*** hired Raven?" I doubt Vince has much to do with the hiring process for new wrestlers these days. That said I don't think the hiring policy is that different to what it has been in the past other than perhaps being more open to international wrestlers. They're still keen to sign the most suitable indy talents, athletes from other sports and people from outside the wrestling industry like Lana. Vince's next big star could be an ex-footballer just as easily as it could be a smaller indy wrestler. Vince still plays a part. Granted he probably don't know what the hell is a Pro Wrestling Guerrilla is but he still make requests on type of folks he is looking for. If anything, folks need to be thanking William Regal for showing Trips dvds and Youtube videos of different wrestlers. That is what got Neville, Balor, and others hired. Notice how they still have the same hirings as before along with indy/international names. Vince is still in the mix. |
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Post by RedDevil on Dec 20, 2014 19:25:11 GMT -5
Vince only sees John Cena. Punk alluded to this. Vince even basically admitted it in his own interview with Austin. He's blinkered and out of touch. There are shitloads of guys on the main roster and NXT who could be breakout stars, but with Vince's limited view of what makes a star, they can't be. This is it, we can't judge the position of a guy in relation to Cena, as nobody comes out looking good doing that (other than Cena of course) - in the case of Rollins, losing to Cena in only a 3-on-Cena scenario was the equivalent of putting Rollins over. I fear that the creation of new stars won't magically improve by Vince stepping down at some stage. He is certainly a big obstacle to that, but Vince's way is the way things are done in WWE - it'll take a long while to change that way of doing things after he goes. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 20:57:05 GMT -5
i love how you say the "only" NXT guys being pushed are like 7 guys. How many people do you expect them to push at once?
Don't get me wrong, Vince has a lot of faults, but in my eyes this isn't one of them.
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Post by Digital Witness on Dec 20, 2014 21:03:26 GMT -5
Vince only sees John Cena. Punk alluded to this. Vince even basically admitted it in his own interview with Austin. He's blinkered and out of touch. There are shitloads of guys on the main roster and NXT who could be breakout stars, but with Vince's limited view of what makes a star, they can't be. This is it, we can't judge the position of a guy in relation to Cena, as nobody comes out looking good doing that (other than Cena of course) - in the case of Rollins, losing to Cena in only a 3-on-Cena scenario was the equivalent of putting Rollins over. I fear that the creation of new stars won't magically improve by Vince stepping down at some stage. He is certainly a big obstacle to that, but Vince's way is the way things are done in WWE - it'll take a long while to change that way of doing things after he goes. It will take a little while to get guys over that need to be over after Vince leaves. But I think we'll see a strong change in the presentation of certain guys onces Vince is gone. |
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Post by gr1990 on Dec 20, 2014 23:56:46 GMT -5
i love how you say the "only" NXT guys being pushed are like 7 guys. How many people do you expect them to push at once? Don't get me wrong, Vince has a lot of faults, but in my eyes this isn't one of them. It's not so much how many of them there is, just that they're so untypical of the NXT roster. I can imagine Vince looking at Adrian Neville or Sami Zayn and being like ' That's the champion?! Where's the rest of him?' It's just strange how NXT is built around the kind of guys Vince probably wouldn't dream of booking half as strongly as they are on NXT. I'm not even criticising Vince really here, just remarking on how the 'next generation' doesn't at all fit what history has shown to be his idea of a top star. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 20, 2014 23:58:07 GMT -5
i love how you say the "only" NXT guys being pushed are like 7 guys. How many people do you expect them to push at once? Don't get me wrong, Vince has a lot of faults, but in my eyes this isn't one of them. It's not so much how many of them there is, just that they're so untypical of the NXT roster. I can imagine Vince looking at Adrian Neville or Sami Zayn and being like ' That's the champion?! Where's the rest of him?' It's just strange how NXT is built around the kind of guys Vince probably wouldn't dream of booking half as strongly as they are on NXT. I'm not even criticising Vince really here, just remarking on how the 'next generation' doesn't at all fit what history has shown to be his idea of a top star. \ Neville might be short, but the dude is buff, so I figure Vince would make an exception for him. Adrian Neville is probably what Vince wishes all cruiserweights looked like. |
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Post by gr1990 on Dec 21, 2014 0:04:24 GMT -5
It's not so much how many of them there is, just that they're so untypical of the NXT roster. I can imagine Vince looking at Adrian Neville or Sami Zayn and being like ' That's the champion?! Where's the rest of him?' It's just strange how NXT is built around the kind of guys Vince probably wouldn't dream of booking half as strongly as they are on NXT. I'm not even criticising Vince really here, just remarking on how the 'next generation' doesn't at all fit what history has shown to be his idea of a top star. \ Neville might be short, but the dude is buff, so I figure Vince would make an exception for him. Adrian Neville is probably what Vince wishes all cruiserweights looked like. Evan Bourne had a lot of muscle for his small frame too, so did Daniel Bryan and you saw how Vince had to be absolutely blackmailed into running with him. At the end of the day, he's still about 5'8, and Itami, Balor and Owens are all under six feet too. Zayn looks huge in comparison to them, and he's only about 6'1 and 205, and not particularly chiselled. It's hard to tell on NXT a lot of the time, but this is the smallest generation of talent ever, they'd be dwarfed by Shelton Benjamin, MVP and Kennedy. You can count on your hands the number of main roster guys who are either under six foot or weigh less than 220 pounds, in the NXT main event scene it's almost everyone. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I'm not sure Vince would agree. |
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