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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 23, 2014 1:52:10 GMT -5
I'd consider the Death of WCW through now the Missed Opportunity Era. What few stars they've made in that time have been ridden half to death. Every single hot angle they've accidentally gotten has been botched. It doesn't matter though. All that matters is Vince has finally gotten everything he ever wanted and doesn't have to overly concern himself with that crazy pro wrasslin that brought his fortune. He's got his movies, his cartoons and his Network. He's got his WWE brand...a brand that's bigger than any one star. You're all replaceable. The quality doesn't matter as long as Vince is happy. I can certainly agree with that to a great extent. Huge opportunities missed with the Invasion, the Stone Cold heel turn, the NWO, Goldberg, Mattitude 2.0... |
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 23, 2014 5:13:06 GMT -5
2002-Present has been one huge cluster**** of missed opportunitys on wrestlers and angles. Once Vince wasn't desperate like he was in 1997, and after WWF was kind of accepted into pop culture/by mainstream media, only to be booted back out, he's been obsessed with being accepted again. Even then, it's almost worse, since every time that Vince WAS accepted by mainstream media and pop culture as its own niche, Vince booted himself back out because it wasn't on HIS terms. 2006- See No Evil doesn't do terribly and actually gave WWE a reasonable foundation of "You'll never lose money on cheesy horror movies"? Vince isn't happy- his terms are B-grade action movies or nothing, and it helped send WWE Films into a tailspin (at least now, they're trying to do some mix of movies). Modern day, geek culture's accepting WWE as its sport? Screw that, I want alpha males to love WWE or I'd rather no one like it at all! |
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Post by Abdullah on Dec 23, 2014 7:14:22 GMT -5
Remember how absolutely white-hot AJ was during the whole Punk/Cena/Kane/Bryan days? And how they ground that to a halt with the whole GM thing? She's never truly fully recovered from that. Also, the whole Fandango debacle. I think the issue with AJ really happened when she won the Divas title and they did nothing with her outside of one decent feud with Kaitlyn. They could have used AJ's momentum and popularity to rebuild the division as they did with Trish and Lita. That explains WWE's issue for me - they don't push divisions, they don't good storylines, they don't push the show as a whole. They push a few people at a time, and even when they do, they don't care if those people get really over because they'll just move on to their next project. It happened with AJ. It happened with Ryback. It happened with Punk and it would have happened to Bryan if not for the crowds. It's why I can't get that excited for Ziggler. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 8:15:07 GMT -5
I agree with everyone who says 2001-onwards has been an era filled with missed opportunities. The InVasion was the peak, as if they had executed that properly it may have prolonged their level of success for a little bit longer at least, but everything since then falls under the same umbrella.
To me, nothing beats Punk in 2011. How in the world they managed to mess that up, I'll never know. They found a guy who worked hard and sold more merchandise than Cena, and still wanted to hold him back. Baffling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 9:42:40 GMT -5
This has been the Era of Indecision. Long term planning is a thing of the past (unless it's for a Rock or Brock Lesnar match), and we've seen so many guys get their momentum cut-off by getting jobbed out.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 23, 2014 9:43:48 GMT -5
2002-Present has been one huge cluster**** of missed opportunitys on wrestlers and angles. Once Vince wasn't desperate like he was in 1997, and after WWF was kind of accepted into pop culture/by mainstream media, only to be booted back out, he's been obsessed with being accepted again. Even then, it's almost worse, since every time that Vince WAS accepted by mainstream media and pop culture as its own niche, Vince booted himself back out because it wasn't on HIS terms. 2006- See No Evil doesn't do terribly and actually gave WWE a reasonable foundation of "You'll never lose money on cheesy horror movies"? Vince isn't happy- his terms are B-grade action movies or nothing, and it helped send WWE Films into a tailspin (at least now, they're trying to do some mix of movies). Modern day, geek culture's accepting WWE as its sport? Screw that, I want alpha males to love WWE or I'd rather no one like it at all! Tailspin? From what I remember most if not all of the cheesy action movies made a profit from what I remember. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 12:30:26 GMT -5
Even then, it's almost worse, since every time that Vince WAS accepted by mainstream media and pop culture as its own niche, Vince booted himself back out because it wasn't on HIS terms. 2006- See No Evil doesn't do terribly and actually gave WWE a reasonable foundation of "You'll never lose money on cheesy horror movies"? Vince isn't happy- his terms are B-grade action movies or nothing, and it helped send WWE Films into a tailspin (at least now, they're trying to do some mix of movies). Modern day, geek culture's accepting WWE as its sport? Screw that, I want alpha males to love WWE or I'd rather no one like it at all! Tailspin? From what I remember most if not all of the cheesy action movies made a profit from what I remember. I believe it's the opposite. A few have made money, most have lost money. I believe that Halle Berry movie, which WWE invested in but I don't think actually had a hand in making, is the only reason WWE studios have shown a profit the last year or two. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 23, 2014 12:41:12 GMT -5
Tailspin? From what I remember most if not all of the cheesy action movies made a profit from what I remember. I believe it's the opposite. A few have made money, most have lost money. I believe that Halle Berry movie, which WWE invested in but I don't think actually had a hand in making, is the only reason WWE studios have shown a profit the last year or two. Pretty sure Occulus made money since it's budget was "small" Also the Marine 3 did pretty well from what I remember. |
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 23, 2014 13:18:37 GMT -5
I turned on the rerun of Raw last night and immediately was reminded of the missed opportunity's thread. A very small example but something that proves this point; Ho Ho Hogan. I would've expected him to come out in a red and yellow Santa outfit, with a blond beard, maybe the sleeves ripped off, maybe those goofy yellow cowboy boots. It's something they would've done ten, twenty years ago. Instead of getting the Hulkster, we get corporate robot shill in a boring regular Santa outfit.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 23, 2014 16:50:03 GMT -5
I believe it's the opposite. A few have made money, most have lost money. I believe that Halle Berry movie, which WWE invested in but I don't think actually had a hand in making, is the only reason WWE studios have shown a profit the last year or two. Pretty sure Occulus made money since it's budget was "small" Also the Marine 3 did pretty well from what I remember. Again, Occulus "was" a horror movie, so that is just proof of my point. It had a small budget, and wasn't exactly a super-hit, but it ended up making money due to it. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 23, 2014 17:04:59 GMT -5
Pretty sure Occulus made money since it's budget was "small" Also the Marine 3 did pretty well from what I remember. Again, Occulus "was" a horror movie, so that is just proof of my point. It had a small budget, and wasn't exactly a super-hit, but it ended up making money due to it. And as I also said the Marine 3 did pretty well as have a lot of their action movies. Occulus I brought up because he said that the only film that made a profit for the WWE recently is the Call... which is flat out wrong. |
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Post by metylerca on Dec 23, 2014 17:17:30 GMT -5
I think in 10-15 years these will be known as the "end of Vince" days Cryogenically frozen Vince head from the year 2029 laughs at you. |
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