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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 23, 2014 10:09:09 GMT -5
Eric Rowan - Turned Face at Survivor Series because there wasn't enough credible faces. Starts getting pops. Reigns comes back, so you need a guy to face him, so they pick Big Show, so they then feed Rowan to Big Show.
So Short Term Booking killed the Rowan face turn.
Long term booking would have kept Rowan heel, then had him feud with Reigns, and then have a face turn afterwards.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 23, 2014 10:37:56 GMT -5
I might care about this, if I thought that Eric Rowan had any real potential.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 23, 2014 10:49:50 GMT -5
I might care about this, if I thought that Eric Rowan had any real potential. That's not even the point; the point is that this reeks of having no long term plan. |
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 23, 2014 11:06:37 GMT -5
I hate that he got fed to Big Show.
Couldn't they have found somebody worthless or over the hill to do it. Or preferably, not build Show up at all and just cram him into the tag division out of the way?
On the positive side, very few people leave a Big Show feud looking good so fingers crossed this might backfire and kill Reigns' momentum, overness and push.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 23, 2014 11:07:37 GMT -5
I have a feeling you could do that with a lot of guys, but yes, Rowan is a pretty good example of their flaws in booking.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 23, 2014 11:11:45 GMT -5
I might care about this, if I thought that Eric Rowan had any real potential. That's not even the point; the point is that this reeks of having no long term plan. No long term plan for who? Eric Rowan, which was never a big priority for the WWE in the first place, or Roman Reigns, who's push Vince has been planning since before his injury and will get a much bigger rub by feuding with Big Show? Nothing to do with lack of long term planning, and everything to do with the logic that you can't push everyone at the same time while also making sure no one looks bad. |
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 23, 2014 11:24:44 GMT -5
That's not even the point; the point is that this reeks of having no long term plan. No long term plan for who? Eric Rowan, which was never a big priority for the WWE in the first place, or Roman Reigns, who's push Vince has been planning since before his injury and will get a much bigger rub by feuding with Big Show? Nothing to do with lack of long term planning, and everything to do with the logic that you can't push everyone at the same time while also making sure no one looks bad. Because what was the point of turn Rowan face just to feed him to the Big Show? Rowan was getting some decent heat as a face, and they just fed him to big show. Keep him heel and have him feud with Reigns if you wanted him to be feed to Reigns. Instead they took a guy who was getting some pops and just buried the every shit out of him in order to make a guy who doesn't need it look strong. |
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 23, 2014 11:30:43 GMT -5
Because enough casual fans still view heel Big Show as a big scary monster and putting him over Rowan strong to (maybe) lead to a bridge program with Reigns makes sense.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Dec 23, 2014 11:38:05 GMT -5
No long term plan for who? No long term planning at all. They only think in terms of the next show (days), the next PPV (weeks) or at most the next WrestleMania (months). If any long term thought was put into the show and stuck to if it was working, just slower than you want, then they wouldn't have had to turn Rowan face for no reason to put him in the main event, only to turn around and have use him to build up the Big Show, who was turned heel in the same match that Rowan turned into. It takes them a dozen steps to get "monster heel to put over Roman" because they have to keep hotshoting things around week to week. |
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Post by mizerable on Dec 23, 2014 11:52:25 GMT -5
Part of the issue is this insistence to build someone up again after they lose their feud. Except that Big Show loses 90% of his feuds. You know, you could have him win out a little more often against say an established talent since I'm not going to believe all the sudden that if he feuds with Cena, that he's going to beat Cena, and along the way...let's feed Show any potential rising talent to get people to believe that Big Show is tougher now. Pathetic.
Again, you really want credibility, it starts with being more careful with the outcomes of the feuds, especially established talent. Have Big Show beat a guy who has beaten him before, skip the part where he kills the midcard in the process. If you must show his dominance, do it against one of the Matadores or something.
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Post by walterharrow on Dec 23, 2014 12:02:16 GMT -5
Long term planning/booking is the one main problem ive had with WWE for the last few years. It really shouldnt be hard for a creative team of 20+ to come up with a rough plan for the whole year for each wrestler/title etc. Obviously injuries and suspensions happen, but the creative team show never have to write full episodes on Raw on the day. They should write weeks worth of TV, go through it with the talent and then film it (like any other tv series does)
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Post by BigWill on Dec 23, 2014 12:12:02 GMT -5
No long term plan for who? Eric Rowan, which was never a big priority for the WWE in the first place, or Roman Reigns, who's push Vince has been planning since before his injury and will get a much bigger rub by feuding with Big Show? Nothing to do with lack of long term planning, and everything to do with the logic that you can't push everyone at the same time while also making sure no one looks bad. Because what was the point of turn Rowan face just to feed him to the Big Show? Rowan was getting some decent heat as a face, and they just fed him to big show. Keep him heel and have him feud with Reigns if you wanted him to be feed to Reigns. Instead they took a guy who was getting some pops and just buried the every shit out of him in order to make a guy who doesn't need it look strong. That doesn't make any sense though. The only reason he got a reaction was because he turned face. And the face turn was because they needed another superstar for Cena's team at Survivor Series. Keep him heel and he stays a nobody that's not even worth being fed to Roman Reigns. At least this way you get some worth out of him. And losing a match to Big Show is hardly "burying the shit" out of someone. The WWE could still easily push Rowan if they wanted, though you'd have to wait till after Mania, since there's nowhere to push him to right now. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 23, 2014 12:57:36 GMT -5
That's not even the point; the point is that this reeks of having no long term plan. No long term plan for who? Eric Rowan, which was never a big priority for the WWE in the first place, or Roman Reigns, who's push Vince has been planning since before his injury and will get a much bigger rub by feuding with Big Show? Nothing to do with lack of long term planning, and everything to do with the logic that you can't push everyone at the same time while also making sure no one looks bad. This isn't true. This isn't even remotely necessarily true. It's true if all that matters is there being The Guy. It's true if all you care about is arbitrary tiers with the only people who matter on the top. But that's really deep down the problem, and if it wasn't there, then it'd be easy to make everyone look good in their role. |
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 23, 2014 13:05:16 GMT -5
Because what was the point of turn Rowan face just to feed him to the Big Show? Rowan was getting some decent heat as a face, and they just fed him to big show. Keep him heel and have him feud with Reigns if you wanted him to be feed to Reigns. Instead they took a guy who was getting some pops and just buried the every shit out of him in order to make a guy who doesn't need it look strong. That doesn't make any sense though. The only reason he got a reaction was because he turned face. And the face turn was because they needed another superstar for Cena's team at Survivor Series. Keep him heel and he stays a nobody that's not even worth being fed to Roman Reigns. At least this way you get some worth out of him. And losing a match to Big Show is hardly "burying the shit" out of someone. The WWE could still easily push Rowan if they wanted, though you'd have to wait till after Mania, since there's nowhere to push him to right now. What was the point of turning him face except to feed him to Big Show, who made him look bad almost every time they met? |
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 23, 2014 13:33:50 GMT -5
They shouldn't have broken up the Wyatts. It's made all of them look worse.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 13:37:53 GMT -5
Vince's problem is he only ever cares about one guy. It's Cena now and it will be Reigns in the future. I have no idea how he is like this because if you look at WWE before Cena went on top, they had lots of top guys... Austin, Rock, Triple H, the list goes on.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 23, 2014 14:54:18 GMT -5
So Short Term Booking killed the Rowan face turn. Long term booking would have kept Rowan heel, then had him feud with Reigns, and then have a face turn afterwards. I'm not so sure about that, I think fighting against The Authority was the most sensible place for a face turn as it should have provided a fresh start. Plus it was the easiest (laziest?) option for the writers/bookers. I agree that it would have been better if they didn't screw up the Wyatt Family, had had some sort of a long-term plan and didn't feed him to The Big Show though. |
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Post by deancubed on Dec 23, 2014 16:36:09 GMT -5
Reigns is awesome I hope he does well in 2015. Dude is getting miles of undeserved hate based solely on rumors that caused everyone to nitpick every promo and action he does.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2014 16:39:09 GMT -5
Reigns is awesome I hope he does well in 2015. Dude is getting miles of undeserved hate based solely on rumors that caused everyone to nitpick every promo and action he does. People wouldn't nitpick if he actually had everything together. The issue of this thread is that they sacrificed a perfectly good face in Erick Rowan to Big Show just for the sake of feeding him to Reigns. Big Show SHOULD be putting over younger talent, but it seems like the only time he ever does is if it's one of the "chosen ones" or if he's putting over someone else being built up to work with one of the chosen ones (e.g. Rusev). |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 23, 2014 16:41:19 GMT -5
The bizarre thing is that he got a huge pop on last night's show because he is from Minnesota.
So of course, he was working Superstars.
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