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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Dec 30, 2014 0:01:47 GMT -5
Oh wow, those videos are really good! Why did the theme and look change? I refer you to Twerkin' Maggle's post above. It was a confusing debut match. You've got Miz being punished by getting this match. So Ascension comes out and I'm thinking "oh great, I'm supposed to cheer for them because they're gonna kick Miz's ass. Then Miz tags out and it's Mizdow, so then I'm supposed to boo Ascension instead now? Really dumb booking. Not a shock that the crowd had nothing to invest in. No logic in the booking whatsoever. I kind of understand them putting The Ascension out there to destroy Mizdow. Mizdow has been so over with the fans that having The Ascension squash him SHOULD get huge heat. But it would have been way more impactful for them to interrupt the Usos. Right but that's what I'm saying is that the buildup was centered around punishing MIZ. So I'm watching thinking Ascension is there to do Edge's bidding. So when the tables turned and they're fighting the opposite character, it took me right out of the match.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 0:04:44 GMT -5
They look like 2 dads that are trying to be cool, so they start listening to Marilyn Manson.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Dec 30, 2014 0:09:04 GMT -5
I don't actually know which one is which, but one of them is way too small to pull off wearing Road Warrior gear. That would be Viktor.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 30, 2014 0:09:05 GMT -5
Oh wow, those videos are really good! Why did the theme and look change? Because the British guy can't hold his liquor.
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Post by DawgRawx on Dec 30, 2014 0:26:31 GMT -5
Illuminati was all I got from it.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 30, 2014 0:36:24 GMT -5
I do not understand why they had them go over the former champions who had a match earlier. It really does not give them much credibility while only pushing Miz and Mizdow further down the totem pole. Plus those two are not the best for a squash. Give them Los Matadores who can take big moves well and sell them like death. Hell, hit their finish on the bull for extra heat.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 30, 2014 0:39:09 GMT -5
I don't get it. Shows how small the tag division really is if we can't find anyone better to squash then the champs earlier from the night. Plus no one wanted to see Sandow get beaten up.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 30, 2014 0:44:23 GMT -5
Pretty much the only thing I have bothered to check out from the WWE in nearly a year has been NXT. It actually strikes me as interesting. I watched Raw tonight for the first time since May. I won't be making that mistake again any time soon. Sure, it is mainly because they devoted roughly 30 minutes to a boring segment that ended with bringing back one of the more boring heel authority groups (which, considering some of the shitstains that the WWE has produced, is truly saying something), but this lackluster debut spoke so many volumes about how inept the WWE has become.
Really, how hard would it have been to have done this right? First off, their look was pathetic and would have come off as a cheap LoD knockoff at an indie show in front of dozen in Paducah, KY. I mean, really, really cheap. The Titantron and theme music was okay, even if it is a step down from what they had in NXT. Their actual entrance did not match their theme, which is bush league. The last time I saw an entrance that was so mismatched it was done on purpose and it was hilarious:
The presentation of the team was not the only terrible decision. Debuting anyone after Bryan's segment would suck the wind from their sails, but having them squash Mizdow was also stupid beyond belief. First, how are you supposed to take them seriously as a physical threat when in their first match you put them in the ring with pretty much the worst guy to pair them with? Mizdow is as large or larger than them! How forced does it come across to have some unknown guys do a weak looking squash on him?
Second, why Mizdow anyways? Sure, he seems to be about one of the few guys in the tag division that has any heat and momentum, but he isn't a tag champ anymore. The Usos are, and having the Ascension show up and muscle them around would have both made sense and, I cannot stress this part enough, would have looked much more impressive.
Seriously, who greenlit that segment anyways? If I were in the Gorilla position and saw those two walking up looking like that, I would have tried to talk Vince into scrubbing the segment, send out someone in their place and have Miz duck out and leave Mizdow to take the beating on his own (since they had to pay Lesnar anyways, having him squash the popular Mizdow while Miz takes a powder would have put heat on both Lesnar and Miz), and send the Ascension back to the costume dept to get a better gimmick or have them simply pull out their NXT gear, which was miles better than that look they went out on Raw in.
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Post by Andy Martin on Dec 30, 2014 0:54:21 GMT -5
They were terrible in NXT too, so this isn't much of a change.
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Post by Malibu Stacy on Dec 30, 2014 1:03:44 GMT -5
That definitely would have been preferable. I've been looking forward to seeing the blue lit entrance on a larger scale, so I was disappointed they didn't get the Sin Cara treatment. And the time slot/booking them to anni-yah-late Mizdow didn't do them any favors. But I actually like their look. I think it's cute. I often imagine they should do a fusion dance. Viktor has a great look, but man is he tiny. Love Konnor's size, but he looks like the bloody Rat King. Between the two of them, they could make one cool looking pro wrestler
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Dec 30, 2014 1:06:03 GMT -5
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Post by King Devitt on Dec 30, 2014 1:19:34 GMT -5
I don't mind current Ascension, even with bad halloween costumes now. But I definitely liked this version. I know some people don't like Kenneth Cameron/Bram but I think he has/had a good look, charisma, cut good promos, and could have been their next Foley type bat shit crazy guy.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 30, 2014 2:12:37 GMT -5
WWE just can't get their heads around what makes the NXT gimmicks work.
Why they try and fix something that is not broken.They are like a kid that tries to improve something great they have,but end up breaking then
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Dec 30, 2014 3:24:17 GMT -5
They were shit in NXT now they are "new and improved" aka still shit but now with facepaint.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 30, 2014 3:32:48 GMT -5
It's wrestling, it's supposed to be goofy and over the top and outlandish. Everything doesn't have to be serious gay guy in plain attire. They could use a bit of outlandish, outrageous, out-there wackiness.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Dec 30, 2014 4:17:27 GMT -5
It's wrestling, it's supposed to be goofy and over the top and outlandish. Everything doesn't have to be serious gay guy in plain attire. They could use a bit of outlandish, outrageous, out-there wackiness. I love silly and over the top gimmicks but these guys have less energy then a potential Curtis Axel and Ted Dibease Jr lovechild. These guys were literally the worst on NXT,even Mojo Rawley and Bull Dempsey would have been more deserved call ups.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Dec 30, 2014 5:32:45 GMT -5
I just don't understand who they are. It's pretty straightforward. Connor O'Brian was a NXT contestant back when it was a game show, who loved rats. After being eliminated for the embarrassment of losing a match to Ricardo Rodriguez he went back to developmental where he was recruited into a stable led by Ricardo Rodriguez. The Ascension were a group of people who were going to ascend to the top, but then Ricardo left them and Connor, one of Los Matadors, Eddie Guerrero's daughter and Bram from TNA became a stable of vampires or demons or something instead. The various vampires left, got called up or got fired for fighting police officers until only Connor was left, at which point he recruited Rick Victor to be his vampire tag team partner. They decided vampires weren't cool anymore and were way into the Illuminati instead. Also they changed the spelling of their names to include kooler letters like 'K'. They won the NXT tag team championships and held them forever and ever and nobody cared except the commentary team, who asked during every NXT tag team match if anyone could beat the dominate Ascension. They eventually lost to some luchadores and I suppose since they got used to hearing how dominate they were every week in NXT have decided to dress up as another dominant tag team for their main roster call-up. Either that or Vince is senile and thinks they're the LOD. Also Konnor grunts "YAH" a lot when he wrestles. Simple.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Dec 30, 2014 6:22:37 GMT -5
I like the entrance theme, I like the power-and-paint aspect, I like the shouting. I like that they're another tag team on the main roster, though I'm almost numb to getting attached to any team at this point. Few have a lasting shelf life, attitudes toward tag wrestling being what they are under the McMahonopoly.
I don't like the Illuminati symbolism -- not that I have a problem with it, it just no longer fits with the changes they've made to the gimmick. If they wanted to go that route, they should have made them quasi-supernatural suit-wearing allies of Corporate Kane.
Also, something seems "off" with their wrestling style now, given the new take on the gimmick. Not sure what it is exactly, but the spark doesn't seem to be fully firing just yet.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Dec 30, 2014 6:39:28 GMT -5
It's wrestling, it's supposed to be goofy and over the top and outlandish. Everything doesn't have to be serious gay guy in plain attire. They could use a bit of outlandish, outrageous, out-there wackiness. The gimmick's fine. The performers had a lousy match and have the guts of 45 year old lawyers. That's the real problem in my view.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 30, 2014 7:11:25 GMT -5
so what if they don't have stomachs you could grate cheese on
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