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Post by Session Moth is over on Jan 1, 2015 13:05:00 GMT -5
Roman Reigns vs. Daniel Bryan (C) at Wrestlemania 32. Give Bryan a 365+ day run. Hell, if he could'be a 435 day run would be nice. I love long title reigns so I'd be all for this. Bryan would look fantastic defending for that long which would in turn make Reigns massive when he beats Bryan for the title.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 13:08:57 GMT -5
Roman Reigns vs. Daniel Bryan (C) at Wrestlemania 32. Give Bryan a 365+ day run. Hell, if he could'be a 435 day run would be nice. I love long title reigns so I'd be all for this. Bryan would look fantastic defending for that long which would in turn make Reigns massive when he beats Bryan for the title. And that's how you make every side happen. Bryan fans get redemption and a long run. Reigns gets more seasoning and by 32 he's ready. And McMahon always said the money is in the chase, not the reign, so let Reigns continue to develop for another 14 months. Bryan can feud with Ryback, Cena, Rollins, Ziggler, Ambrose, RUSEV, Sheamus, Cesaro, and even Orton again if we must. Some old faces mixed in with new faces. Then Bryan can finally get his "Bret Hart" title run of defending the strap against all comers. Fighting Champion 2.0.
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Post by aliciafoxfan on Jan 1, 2015 13:10:13 GMT -5
There's no need for cheap shots so let's all be mature and logical about this if Roman Reigns does happen to win the Royal Rumble and becomes the WWE World Heavyweight Champion by defeating "The Beast Incarnate" Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania XXI. It's not his fault that he's obviously a better choice than Daniel Bryan. He's just following orders and doing his job. He can't help that he's a superior option and would actually be around for his big push. Direct your anger at WWE brass, not Roman. We are the 99%. Not Sure if Serious, But I like Roman but he's not ready, So give it To Bryan.
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Post by aliciafoxfan on Jan 1, 2015 13:10:24 GMT -5
There's no need for cheap shots so let's all be mature and logical about this if Roman Reigns does happen to win the Royal Rumble and becomes the WWE World Heavyweight Champion by defeating "The Beast Incarnate" Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania XXI. It's not his fault that he's obviously a better choice than Daniel Bryan. He's just following orders and doing his job. He can't help that he's a superior option and would actually be around for his big push. Direct your anger at WWE brass, not Roman. We are the 99%. Not Sure if Serious, But I like Roman but he's not ready, So give it To Bryan.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 1, 2015 13:13:44 GMT -5
So much for this is Reigns winning the Rumble and on one else. You got Dolph on the biggest hot streak of his career. Daniel Bryan returning and is the most over person on the roster once more. Ryback getting rebuilt. Rusev on a hot streak on his own. Ambrose and Bray as wildcards. What was once a "LOL Reigns wins" attitude among fans is now "Who will win?". Which is how the Royal Rumble should be.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 1, 2015 13:15:57 GMT -5
They'd be out of their minds to put Roman Reigns in a WrestleMania main event right now. Dude barely works matches that would be passable on Main Event. It's not even like he can get by due to his charisma, he stumbles over words more than anyone in recent memory. He has presence, but he needs to develop his own character and persona beyond "cool shield guy."
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 1, 2015 13:15:56 GMT -5
Unless something weird happens and Rollins ends up as champion at WM, I don't see how they can go with Reigns. There's an implicit lame duck status to anyone coming out of WM with the belt since Rollins would still have MITB. Would they really want to use Reigns as a lame duck champ with at most a 2-3 month title run? Would they really just job Rollins after all the build of him with MITB? I can see him treating Bryan in such fashion, with a transition title run to Rollins.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 1, 2015 13:17:13 GMT -5
Ziggler has been made to look like a jabroni for too long. Suddenly making him into a viable ME level talent off the back of a few weeks of television would be a huge stretch for the audience.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jan 1, 2015 13:18:14 GMT -5
I'm way late to this, but yeah...
If this is true, this is a prime example why the WWE is a festering pond of shit right now. I hope they're ready to have their golden boy booed out of the arena if they actually do go through with Roman winning.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 1, 2015 13:23:03 GMT -5
Ziggler has been made to look like a jabroni for too long. Suddenly making him into a viable ME level talent off the back of a few weeks of television would be a huge stretch for the audience. How so? The live crowds freaking love Ziggler. He's coming off the biggest win of his career at Survivor Series where he overcame three dudes by himself essentially (he had Rollins beat before HHH and Sting got involved) and then won the IC title in a well-received match at TLC. He's hotter than he's been in probably his entire career. If there was ever a time to do it, it's now.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 1, 2015 13:25:37 GMT -5
Ziggler has been made to look like a jabroni for too long. Suddenly making him into a viable ME level talent off the back of a few weeks of television would be a huge stretch for the audience. How so? The live crowds freaking love Ziggler. He's coming off the biggest win of his career at Survivor Series where he overcame three dudes by himself essentially (he had Rollins beat before HHH and Sting got involved) and then won the IC title in a well-received match at TLC. He's hotter than he's been in probably his entire career. If there was ever a time to do it, it's now. He's lost like 400 times on television last year. He's gaining momentum but WM season is nigh its too soon to suddenly pitch the guy who most people remember jobbing out to anyone on two legs as some kind of viable main event talent. Maybe if he carries on they could aim for this at SS but I think doing it now would be too soon and too many casual fans will see him as a lower/midcard guy who loses all the time.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 1, 2015 13:30:36 GMT -5
Cena is the big elephant in the room. Do a spot after the Rumble where Bryan and Cena attack each other and brawl to the back setting up a Face vs Face match at WM that'll put their big draw in a marque match plus give Bryan a career enhancing scalp without necessarily having a rinse and repeat of last year.
Reigns vs Lesnar
HHH vs Sting
Bryan vs Cena
Rollins vs Orton
And the usual cluster of "get everyone a paycheque, oh look here's Sheamus" matches
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Jan 1, 2015 13:31:22 GMT -5
Repetition is fine as long as the story is new and fresh. Bryan vs Lesnar would certainly be that. It's a money match that WWE would be insane to ignore. WWE need to hit the sweet spot in their Wrestlemania match, which will be THAT moment, when Lesnar realises that Bryan is the real deal, and when Bryan realises he's got Lesnar shaken. If you need an example of it, Rocky IV, when Drago gets cut. That's how WWE need to sell it. The commentators will need to be better than they've ever been before. They need to start the match basically describing a lamb to slaughter, emphasising that Daniel Bryan cannot possibly survive this match, let alone win. Then at just the right point, they switch and think "yes, the impossible CAN be done" My fear is that what should be a clear Lesnar vs Bryan storyline will be ruined and bogged down by Cena, Rollins, the Authority etc....being involved. This story needs to be clear and concise.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 1, 2015 13:31:30 GMT -5
How so? The live crowds freaking love Ziggler. He's coming off the biggest win of his career at Survivor Series where he overcame three dudes by himself essentially (he had Rollins beat before HHH and Sting got involved) and then won the IC title in a well-received match at TLC. He's hotter than he's been in probably his entire career. If there was ever a time to do it, it's now. He's lost like 400 times on television last year. He's gaining momentum but WM season is nigh its too soon to suddenly pitch the guy who most people remember jobbing out to anyone on two legs as some kind of viable main event talent. Maybe if he carries on they could aim for this at SS but I think doing it now would be too soon and too many casual fans will see him as a lower/midcard guy who loses all the time. That argument would hold weight if Ziggler wasn't getting the kind of reactions he does on a normal basis. The "casuals" obviously believe in him. Ratings and buyrates are useless indicators because, again, no one on the roster is a draw by themselves. The only things we have to go on are crowd reactions and merch sales, both of which Ziggler does well in. People don't care about how many times he's been beaten on TV because they believe in him now. When a guy gets hot, it doesn't matter what happened in the past. What matters is the present and right now, Ziggler would be a good choice for a Rumble winner. On top of all of that...he's been one of the most pushed guys on the roster since November. By the time WM rolls around, that's 5+ months of build, how much more build do you realistically expect a guy to have? Contrary to what people seem to think, guys are almost never groomed for a Mania main event for an entire year.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 1, 2015 13:35:38 GMT -5
I don't think there's the need to rush Ziggler's push in time for WM. They have Cena, Bryan, Orton, Lesnar, Reigns, HHH, Sting, Rollins - possibly Undertaker and who knows who else between now and then might be added - all of whom are very likely to be involved, all of which are probably or definitely ahead of Ziggler in the 'star power' ranks. If the top of the tree was thinner, sure but they can probably get two or three marque matches from that lot as it is without needing to add Ziggler to the mix.
Ziggler may be the one to watch out for over the next year or so but adding him at this point really answers a question nobody is asking right now. It's the same with Ambrose, and he's my guy.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 1, 2015 13:36:42 GMT -5
How so? The live crowds freaking love Ziggler. He's coming off the biggest win of his career at Survivor Series where he overcame three dudes by himself essentially (he had Rollins beat before HHH and Sting got involved) and then won the IC title in a well-received match at TLC. He's hotter than he's been in probably his entire career. If there was ever a time to do it, it's now. He's lost like 400 times on television last year. He's gaining momentum but WM season is nigh its too soon to suddenly pitch the guy who most people remember jobbing out to anyone on two legs as some kind of viable main event talent. Maybe if he carries on they could aim for this at SS but I think doing it now would be too soon and too many casual fans will see him as a lower/midcard guy who loses all the time. Ziggler has been a "viable main event talent" (for me that means someone you can see wrestling the big boys on a regular basis) since late 2011-early 2012. If he were considered a lower midcard guy, he'd be barely on TV at all and WWE wouldn't make the effort to squeeze him onto every RAW, SD and PPV.
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Post by aliciafoxfan on Jan 1, 2015 13:37:43 GMT -5
I don't think there's the need to rush Ziggler's push in time for WM. They have Cena, Bryan, Orton, Lesnar, Reigns, HHH, Sting, Rollins - possibly Undertaker and who knows who else between now and then might be added - all of whom are very likely to be involved, all of which are probably or definitely ahead of Ziggler in the 'star power' ranks. If the top of the tree was thinner, sure but they can probably get two or three marque matches from that lot as it is without needing to add Ziggler to the mix. Yes, Let's add two 50 year old men, besides the fact Taker can't go anymore, I have no desire to see Sting at WrestleMania.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 1, 2015 13:43:22 GMT -5
I don't think there's the need to rush Ziggler's push in time for WM. They have Cena, Bryan, Orton, Lesnar, Reigns, HHH, Sting, Rollins - possibly Undertaker and who knows who else between now and then might be added - all of whom are very likely to be involved, all of which are probably or definitely ahead of Ziggler in the 'star power' ranks. If the top of the tree was thinner, sure but they can probably get two or three marque matches from that lot as it is without needing to add Ziggler to the mix. Yes, Let's add two 50 year old men, besides the fact Taker can't go anymore, I have no desire to see Sting at WrestleMania. Be that as it may, he'll be there and his match will be marque/special attraction. Right now Ziggler as well as Ambrose would serve and be served better by looking strong ready to be there for the post-WM ''rebirth'' where they might well look down the card looking for the next guys to move up. Being the one they look to after WM beats being pushed in the ME scene prior to WM and looking like the weakest link in that particular group, which is almost an inevitability given who they have. Cena is Cena, Bryan is possibly their number 2 face, Reigns is possibly that also, Lesnar is a monster, HHH is disliked but still money if used right and they'll be massive interested in Sting, personal feelings aside. I say this as a huge Ambrose fan too but what the product nor either guy needs right now is to be pushed into a packed ME scene where their contributions wont mean as much. After WM Lesnar might be gone, Cena might take time off (who knows?) Sting won't be there, HHH won't be full-time in-ring. After Mania I can see slots opening up that just aren't there now.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 1, 2015 13:55:27 GMT -5
I love long title reigns so I'd be all for this. Bryan would look fantastic defending for that long which would in turn make Reigns massive when he beats Bryan for the title. And that's how you make every side happen. Bryan fans get redemption and a long run. Reigns gets more seasoning and by 32 he's ready. And McMahon always said the money is in the chase, not the reign, so let Reigns continue to develop for another 14 months. Bryan can feud with Ryback, Cena, Rollins, Ziggler, Ambrose, RUSEV, Sheamus, Cesaro, and even Orton again if we must. Some old faces mixed in with new faces. Then Bryan can finally get his "Bret Hart" title run of defending the strap against all comers. Fighting Champion 2.0. If Bryan fans need a year long title reign as "redemption" for a guy who got hurt and ruined his own title run then they're out of their minds and need to lower their expectations
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 14:05:12 GMT -5
And that's how you make every side happen. Bryan fans get redemption and a long run. Reigns gets more seasoning and by 32 he's ready. And McMahon always said the money is in the chase, not the reign, so let Reigns continue to develop for another 14 months. Bryan can feud with Ryback, Cena, Rollins, Ziggler, Ambrose, RUSEV, Sheamus, Cesaro, and even Orton again if we must. Some old faces mixed in with new faces. Then Bryan can finally get his "Bret Hart" title run of defending the strap against all comers. Fighting Champion 2.0. If Bryan fans need a year long title reign as "redemption" for a guy who got hurt and ruined his own title run then they're out of their minds and need to lower their expectations I am not sure how the neck, shoulder and arm injuries Bryan had result in him ruining his own title run. He did not botch trying to hang himself or something.
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