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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 19, 2015 19:07:52 GMT -5
Well, it would have offered them an advantage because it made all runners less likely to fumble the ball, which would be a serious concern in a monsoon like they played in. If the Colts had a better run game, they would have benefited from that as much as the Patriots, but they don't have that. Again, the Patriots were the superior team, but it burns my ass that this team seems to cheat fairly often (spygate, recording the Rams practice, scrambled radio signals, and now deflated balls) when they don't really need to, pitch a fit over getting caught, and then still get to be called a classy organization by the media (particularly ESPN). If they are scummy and prone to cheating, call them on it. If they get away with it and win games, so be it. I could hate the Eagles because of how their fans act, but it is not as though anyone acts like Philly fans are anything other than what they are. The taping of the Rams practice didn't happen. There's been no proof that I can find that the New England team had any involvement with scrambled radio signals. And with the deflated ball deal, it just seems a kicking ball got mixed in with the regular balls. It seems like since it's the New England team, a team people like to hate, folks jump to conclusions. Fair enough on the Rams thing. I thought that it was simply not proven, not proven inaccurate. I am also aware that the team has not been implicated in the scrambled signals deal (and said so the first time I mentioned it), but it did happen many times and is suspicious nonetheless.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 19, 2015 19:14:30 GMT -5
If the Patriots are the darlings of the NFL and their baby how come they haven't been able to beat the Giants in the Super Bowl? I am speaking as a Patriot fan myself. The NFL is one of the leagues that hasn't had a "fixed" stigma, simply because different teams win the big one, which is one of the main reasons I love it.
The Colts just got outclassed by a better, more experienced, and stronger team. Everyone thought the Patriots were done during the regular season, playoffs came around and everyone said they were done then, and look what happened.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Jan 19, 2015 19:28:18 GMT -5
Ugghhh. As a neutral (Broncos fan, hopefully Kubiak brings back the helmet sticker that said 'Insert back: Gain 1000 yds) this has to be one of the least likeable Superbowl lineups in years. I hate the Seahawks. I really hate the Patriots (who always seem to be pulling dubious shit. I'm not even talking about the cheating accusations, they always seem to be playing to the letter rather than the spirit of the rules. I'm expecting to see a rules patch that gives the defense time to adjust when the offense declares players elligible/inelligible at the line of scrimmage, for example)
Who do I root for?
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Post by BRV on Jan 19, 2015 19:53:14 GMT -5
Lost in all of the nonsense of the deflated ball issue is the fact that Tom Brady is about to play in his sixth Super Bowl. SIX!!! That's more Super Bowl appearances than all but five NFL franchises.
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Post by Sam Punk on Jan 19, 2015 20:35:31 GMT -5
Ugghhh. As a neutral (Broncos fan, hopefully Kubiak brings back the helmet sticker that said 'Insert back: Gain 1000 yds) this has to be one of the least likeable Superbowl lineups in years. I hate the Seahawks. I really hate the Patriots (who always seem to be pulling dubious shit. I'm not even talking about the cheating accusations, they always seem to be playing to the letter rather than the spirit of the rules. I'm expecting to see a rules patch that gives the defense time to adjust when the offense declares players elligible/inelligible at the line of scrimmage, for example) Who do I root for? Go for the New England team; conference pride!!
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Post by Ganon83 on Jan 19, 2015 20:44:41 GMT -5
Lost in all of the nonsense of the deflated ball issue is the fact that Tom Brady is about to play in his sixth Super Bowl. SIX!!! That's more Super Bowl appearances than all but five NFL franchises. Packers, Steelers, Cowboys, Broncos...... Redskins? Bills? (Unless you're counting the Patriots)
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Post by Sam Punk on Jan 19, 2015 20:51:27 GMT -5
Lost in all of the nonsense of the deflated ball issue is the fact that Tom Brady is about to play in his sixth Super Bowl. SIX!!! That's more Super Bowl appearances than all but five NFL franchises. Packers, Steelers, Cowboys, Broncos...... Redskins? Bills? (Unless you're counting the Patriots) 49ers
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 19, 2015 20:51:53 GMT -5
Lost in all of the nonsense of the deflated ball issue is the fact that Tom Brady is about to play in his sixth Super Bowl. SIX!!! That's more Super Bowl appearances than all but five NFL franchises. Packers, Steelers, Cowboys, Broncos...... Redskins? Bills? (Unless you're counting the Patriots) 49ers, man. How could you forget them?
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 19, 2015 21:05:05 GMT -5
I just saw something that indicated that both teams provide their own footballs, so if it did happen then only the Patriots would have gotten to use the deflated balls. Granted, it would be hard to get away with it since the balls are supposed to be inspected well before the game and then the team is not supposed to handle the balls afterwards. However, the rules do account for what the penalty would be if someone was caught altering the balls after the inspection is completed, so I guess that they thought it was possible.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jan 19, 2015 22:37:47 GMT -5
Actually, if you count the Patriots, the only other teams that have 6 or more SB appearances are Dallas (8), Pittsburgh (8), Denver (7), and San Francisco (6).
But if you count championship games, then the list is much higher. With the five up there, you also include:
Green Bay Packers Decatur Staleys/Chicago Staleys/Chicago Bears New York Giants San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders Cleveland Browns Cleveland/Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams Buffalo Bills Philadelphia Eagles Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts Boston/Washington Redskins
Not sure if I'm missing anybody.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 19, 2015 22:49:05 GMT -5
Raiders hired Bill Musgrave as offensive coordinator.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 20, 2015 2:37:18 GMT -5
I found the article I mentioned earlier. Highlighted are what I consider the key points: Source (Newsday)If the Patriots did deflate the balls, they would have been the only ones to benefit from it. The only chance the Colts got to handle one of those balls was when they got an interception. I know that nothing has been proven yet, but this should explain why it is a big deal. Who knows how much it made a difference if it happened? Maybe a few of those runs where they banged their way through the Colts defense might have led to a few fumbles had the slick balls been properly inflated. Maybe a few of those backbreaking 3rd down catches by Edelman would have been drops. Maybe the game would have been a little closer and Luck could have been able to afford to take fewer chances (his two INTs came when they were so far behind that gunslinging and taking risky shots were a must). Now, bear in mind that I have always said that the Patriots were the superior team and that they probably would have won all things being equal, but one thing that having Luck on your team means is that you always have a puncher's chance at some ridiculous rally. If deflated balls prevented a couple of fumbles or 3rd down drops, that might have completely changed the tenor of the 4th quarter by making it a closer game. Granted, there is still the issue that the Patriot's run game repeatedly punched the Colts' defense in the mouth and that their pass coverage basically shut down Hilton, Montcrief, and Fleener and that pretty much ever other receiver not named Allen had a severe case of the drops (if only they thought to deflate them), but one can never know. I'll say this much, however. If you don't care about sportmanship than I would say that cheating in this way would be a great deal. Even if you get caught, you still get to win and face a minimal fine (that is dwarfed by your Super Bowl take) and the loss of some draft picks that you probably don't even care about while you can still get seasoned players to take a discount to come play with Tom Brady.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 20, 2015 6:44:57 GMT -5
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 20, 2015 7:25:22 GMT -5
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 20, 2015 7:35:51 GMT -5
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Jan 20, 2015 9:38:10 GMT -5
The Patriots are heels. They are supposed to cheat. That's why the NFL has built up the face Seahawks team so strongly. Our clean cut hero Russell Wilson is going to take down the evil Tom Brady at Super Bowl Mania The Patriots are the Four Horsemen, with Brady as Ric Flair and Belichick as J.J. Dillon. The Patriots are heels. They are supposed to cheat. That's why the NFL has built up the face Seahawks team so strongly. Our clean cut hero Russell Wilson is going to take down the evil Tom Brady at Super Bowl Mania Tom Brady: Russell, people like you don't deserve to be an NFL World Champion. At least Brady isn't married to any of Goodell's daughters, assuming they're old enough. Just saying...
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 20, 2015 9:50:07 GMT -5
Free agent Reggie Wayne said Monday he's still undecided on if he'll try to play again in 2015.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 11:16:44 GMT -5
Just because other coaches did it still doesn't make it right. True. But it doesn't mean Belichick is the worst person ever No, what make Bill the worst person ever is being named HC of the Jets to only break up with them a day later on a bar napkin and join the Patriots.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 11:19:33 GMT -5
Just because other coaches did it still doesn't make it right. Yeah, but those other coaches are never called cheaters, but the Patriots.....oh they are cheaters. Because the Patriots got caught thats why. If Johnson or Gibbs got caught they'd must likely be called cheaters as well. But since they didn't get caught theres no actual evidence, unlike with the Patriots.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 20, 2015 11:39:00 GMT -5
Yeah, but those other coaches are never called cheaters, but the Patriots.....oh they are cheaters. Because the Patriots got caught thats why. If Johnson or Gibbs got caught they'd must likely be called cheaters as well. But since they didn't get caught theres no actual evidence, unlike with the Patriots. Just to play devil's advocate: Johnson *admitted* that he did stuff like that. He said so himself. Why no rage towards him? The Jets thing, I'll grant was slimy. (He learned from Parcells, who was negotating with the Jets as the team was getting ready for the Superbowl)
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