Is Jack Swagger a Jobber now?

[The Blue Nova]

I really hope not because I do like Jack Swagger and always have,but Recently they have had him losing a lot even to Titus O Neil. They really should of done more when he turned face as he was cheered heavily against Rusev but after Rusev beat him they seem to be jobbing him a lot now. Do you think he will get another push or will wind up like the Miz and Kofi

[lildude8218]

to the stars!

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Now?

[Mozenrath]

I think there's a distinct difference between what he does and what Ryder does. Swagger usually gets teases of the ankle lock and treated like he could potentially win.

[Dave the Dave]

He's weird. He jobs inbetween World title runs.

[Crappler El 0 M]

HE LOST, MICHAEL! HE LET DOWN 300 MILLION AMERICANS! JACK SWAGGER OUTTA BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF!

[BigAl]

HE JUST WASNT AIMING TO GRAB THE BRASS RING

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He got over when they didn't intend for him to, the worst crime someone in WWE can commit.

[wildojinx]

And is Zeb gone permanently as well?

[chazraps]

I think this is just to give some other superstars a few wins until Zeb comes back and they have something else for him to do. I wouldn't worry about it.

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Jan 7, 2015 0:16:30 GMT -5 chazraps said:

I think this is just to give some other superstars a few wins until Zeb comes back and they have something else for him to do. I wouldn't worry about it.

But...but it's Titus... I'm all about giving lower tier Superstars a few wins, but he's losing cleanly to guys lower in the food chain. But it's not like this is going to lead to a push for Titus. Like next week Titus could job to The Bunny and that just makes Swagger look like a jobber to other jobbers rather than a guy giving a genuine rub.

If they wanted Swagger to lose, he should've lost to say Miz or someone else on or above that level. If they wanted him to lose to Titus, they could've at least let Titus cheat to win.

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Jan 6, 2015 23:54:47 GMT -5 Dave the Dave said:

He's weird. He jobs inbetween World title runs.

Yeah, I would like to think that he's finished.

But then I remember how he spent late-2009 and early-2010 jobbing to the likes of Santino and Primo, only to squash Santino in a MITB qualifier in Oklahoma and then win the whole thing and suddenly become World champion.

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Jan 7, 2015 0:24:23 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Jan 7, 2015 0:16:30 GMT -5 chazraps said:

I think this is just to give some other superstars a few wins until Zeb comes back and they have something else for him to do. I wouldn't worry about it.

But...but it's Titus... I'm all about giving lower tier Superstars a few wins, but he's losing cleanly to guys lower in the food chain. But it's not like this is going to lead to a push for Titus. Like next week Titus could job to The Bunny and that just makes Swagger look like a jobber to other jobbers rather than a guy giving a genuine rub.

If they wanted Swagger to lose, he should've lost to say Miz or someone else on or above that level. If they wanted him to lose to Titus, they could've at least let Titus cheat to win.

Aren't you advocate about people slightly higher on the food chain wrestling against people on the lower end? How do you elevate people if they don't beat folks supposedly better than them? How Titus going to get cred if he has to cheat to win all the time? Beating nameless jobbers don't mean shit if you can't beat name talent. Unless the Miz is getting an upcoming singles push, why would Swagger lose to him? I not following you logic about this. 

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Jan 7, 2015 0:44:19 GMT -5 ________ has left the building said:

Jan 7, 2015 0:24:23 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

But...but it's Titus... I'm all about giving lower tier Superstars a few wins, but he's losing cleanly to guys lower in the food chain. But it's not like this is going to lead to a push for Titus. Like next week Titus could job to The Bunny and that just makes Swagger look like a jobber to other jobbers rather than a guy giving a genuine rub.

If they wanted Swagger to lose, he should've lost to say Miz or someone else on or above that level. If they wanted him to lose to Titus, they could've at least let Titus cheat to win.

Aren't you advocate about people slightly higher on the food chain wrestling against people on the lower end? How do you elevate people if they don't beat folks supposedly better than them? How Titus going to get cred if he has to cheat to win all the time? Beating nameless jobbers don't mean shit if you can't beat name talent. Unless the Miz is getting an upcoming singles push, why would Swagger lose to him? I not following you logic about this. 

Yes, I do want uppercarders to wrestle lower carders. Although I would prefer it if Titus wrestled someone a bit higher than Swagger who could go over Titus without harming him. Like someone in the main event or Upper midcard who could win in a competitive match where Titus makes people take notice because he shows that he could hang with a big fish. Swagger himself looked good in defeat in his losses to Rusev.

Personally, I think the lower card wrestler actually beating someone higher up works best when the lesser wrestler is a face and the "name" is a heel, when the low card face scores the upset because the heel takes him lightly. Or if the match is for a title/contendership.

Thing is, Titus isn't getting an upcoming push either, so Swagger just look like a scrub in the loss. And Titus is likely to go back to jobbing after this. And in the case of Miz, I mentioned him because he still has some cred from his singles run + a tag partner that could run in/cause a distraction on his behalf so Swagger could still be protected in a loss.

If people thought Swagger losing to Titus wasnt sign of him being "buried"/depushed/"done", and that there was no "shame" in losing to him, this thread would not exist.

[RIHT]

Before Ryback turned face, I wanted Swagger to be the one to beat Rusev, but that was before they buried him and made the possibility of that completely unbelievable. What a shame. Why not pay cheap unknown guys (or lower NXT guys) to job rather than hurt talents with much more potential? With so many squash matches these days, I hate to see guys like Sandow, Cesaro, Swagger, and Ryder (yes, him too) be treated like jobbers when they all are much better than that.

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Jan 7, 2015 2:42:28 GMT -5 RIHT said:

Before Ryback turned face, I wanted Swagger to be the one to beat Rusev, but that was before they buried him and made the possibility of that completely unbelievable. What a shame. Why not pay cheap unknown guys (or lower NXT guys) to job rather than hurt talents with much more potential? With so many squash matches these days, I hate to see guys like Sandow, Cesaro, Swagger, and Ryder (yes, him too) be treated like jobbers when they all are much better than that.

I dont really like the idea of bringing back local indy jobbers, since I feel that would just make guys like Sandow, Ryder, and Swagger "expendable" by WWE-logic. But using lower NXT guys wouldn't be a bad idea. Why not use one someone like Jason Jordan or Tye Dillenger or even a relatively featured player Iike Mojo Rawley to give the main roster guys a few wins. I think it would be better to have newer talents start at the bottom, pay their dues by doing a few jobs and earning a future push by putting on good performances, than having established talent job.

Even Titus deserves better. These main roster guys have been jobbed out for so long and made into such non-factors that whenever they actually do win a match, it makes the other person look like a jobber to jobbers and makes them look bad. If these guys were made to look a little stronger, and fans were given a reason to invest in their characters, there would be no "shame" in losing to them.

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What I don't get about local jobbers is, why do people only get them when they're first debuting? Why does whoever's putting the shows together in kayfabe never just say, "Hey, Barrett, we want you to get a little practice in and smack around some scrub this week," or something?

Then again I suppose it fits with the weird paradox of wrestling that the more successful and popular you are, the less likely you are to have a match planned heading into a show instead of improvised during it.

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Jan 7, 2015 1:09:29 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Jan 7, 2015 0:44:19 GMT -5 ________ has left the building said:

Aren't you advocate about people slightly higher on the food chain wrestling against people on the lower end? How do you elevate people if they don't beat folks supposedly better than them? How Titus going to get cred if he has to cheat to win all the time? Beating nameless jobbers don't mean shit if you can't beat name talent. Unless the Miz is getting an upcoming singles push, why would Swagger lose to him? I not following you logic about this. 

Yes, I do want uppercarders to wrestle lower carders. Although I would prefer it if Titus wrestled someone a bit higher than Swagger who could go over Titus without harming him. Like someone in the main event or Upper midcard who could win in a competitive match where Titus makes people take notice because he shows that he could hang with a big fish. Swagger himself looked good in defeat in his losses to Rusev.

Personally, I think the lower card wrestler actually beating someone higher up works best when the lesser wrestler is a face and the "name" is a heel, when the low card face scores the upset because the heel takes him lightly. Or if the match is for a title/contendership.

Thing is, Titus isn't getting an upcoming push either, so Swagger just look like a scrub in the loss. And Titus is likely to go back to jobbing after this. And in the case of Miz, I mentioned him because he still has some cred from his singles run + a tag partner that could run in/cause a distraction on his behalf so Swagger could still be protected in a loss.

If people thought Swagger losing to Titus wasnt sign of him being "buried"/depushed/"done", and that there was no "shame" in losing to him, this thread would not exist.

How do you know that Titus isn't schedule for an upcoming push? People believed whenever a wrestler loses a match, they are being depushed. Seth has won as many matches as he lost and people still think he's not being pushed even with being the number 1 active heel in the company. We can't have it both ways. Someone has to win and someone has to lose when a match happens. Be it heel or face. One of the problems people harp about is the lack of consequences and emotions when someone loses and feeling of elevation when someone wins.

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Jan 7, 2015 0:15:12 GMT -5 wildojinx said:

And is Zeb gone permanently as well?

As far as I know it was never reported that he was done.

I'm assuming he is still recovering from the surgery he had in December.

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Whoever Swagger keeps pissing off, they're powerful.