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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 15, 2015 16:34:24 GMT -5
I'll second HBK-Hitman Iron Man match. It was painful. Anything with Rey Mysterio is overrated. It's like "Here's Rey Mysterio, the small guy who breaks all the records and does the impossible because of his giant heart." ZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZz The amazing matches he used to have aren't really overrated, though.
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Post by JTH on Jan 15, 2015 16:37:06 GMT -5
Hogan vs Andre at WM3 They'd been fueding since 1980 why was this time so iconic? You've got the right answer, but the reasoning is wrong. It's because WWE builds it as Hogan vs. Andre, and the torch being passed to Hogan as "The Man". That's a bunch of hogwash.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 15, 2015 16:42:56 GMT -5
True, Hogan/Andre was absolutely NOT a torch-passing moment. It was still a huge match. An enormous, money-making match. But the story they've been telling is wrong. Andre did not pass a torch to Hogan. If anyone in WWE had a torch in the spring of 1987, it was Hogan, who had been the champion since December 1983 and had had a cartoon, a spot on the cover of Sports Illustrated, guest appearances on SNL and The Tonight Show, and basically the entire company centered around him for over three years. Andre had no torch to give. WWE built up a big match people wanted to pay to see.
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 15, 2015 17:31:03 GMT -5
WWE kind of wants to have their cake and eat it too for early John Cena legendary moments, which is normal for a lot of big stars- but it's more blatant for early Cena because he might be the first superstar where his first two LEGENDARY moments they point to directly contradict each other:
Specifically, the "John Cena's first legendary match, where he came out of nowhere, showed RUTHLESS AGGRESSION, and took Kurt Angle to the limit!" match and the "John Cena was a failed experiment when he debuted, he was on the chopping block and was about to be fired, but Stephanie McMahon happened to hear him rapping on the back of the bus on a European tour. She asked him to do that on TV, and Cena was instantly a superstar!" moments.
Both could be seen as legendary- but they directly contradict each other: If "Cena was a failed experiment and was about to be fired", then his match with Kurt Angle couldn't have been that important in the grand scheme of things and just being "a pretty good jobber squash match"...but if Cena's match with Kurt Angle was a super-important match that started Cena on the road to being the superstar he is today, then Cena would have NEVER really been on the chopping block less than 3 months after his debut (the WWE wouldn't DARE let someone that blue-chip a prospect, with any semblance of momentum, walk away that quickly.)
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 15, 2015 17:46:41 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar ending the streak.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 15, 2015 18:02:09 GMT -5
Yeah, it was a decent moment when it happened but the WWE treated it like this huge deal that won them the war! but it really didn't do anything... DX in general was overrated. WWE acts as if they were this big time main event act that ruled the Attitude Era with an iron fist when it was really Shawn Michaels + his mid card sidekick and the mid card sidekick's girlfriend. Then once Michaels disappeared "The DX Army" was just a popular mid card act and then got demoted to simply being Triple H's goon squad once he rose up the card. And the funny thing about the DX/Nitro thing is that it contradicts WWE's other narrative in which DX supposedly only consisted of Triple H and Shawn Michaels. they've loosened on that DX was only Michaels and Triple H though. Like at RAW 1000 the last DX reunion that I remember they had X-pac and the New Age Outlaws come out for it.
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Post by willyjakes on Jan 15, 2015 18:06:07 GMT -5
I'll second HBK-Hitman Iron Man match. It was painful. Anything with Rey Mysterio is overrated. It's like "Here's Rey Mysterio, the small guy who breaks all the records and does the impossible because of his giant heart." ZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZz The amazing matches he used to have aren't really overrated, though. eh. Can't say I could every really get into that lucha cirque du soleil stuff. To me that's not entertaining wrestling. he was always to small to be taken seriously and I never enjoyed his matches
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Post by Square on Jan 15, 2015 18:08:17 GMT -5
Piper and the coconut
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 15, 2015 18:14:02 GMT -5
Anyone winning King of the Ring. I may give you Owen winning KOTR did help him with his top heel status in 1994, and Austin winning was his first memorable moment in the wwf, but other than that i cant think of anyone else whose status was instantly improved by winning KOTR.
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Post by karl100589 on Jan 15, 2015 18:18:01 GMT -5
Anyone winning King of the Ring. I may give you Owen winning KOTR did help him with his top heel status in 1994, and Austin winning was his first memorable moment in the wwf, but other than that i cant think of anyone else whose status was instantly improved by winning KOTR. I'd argue Edge was taken much more seriously as a singles competitor, and Brock winning in 02 was the catalyst for his title win a month later
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 15, 2015 18:31:09 GMT -5
Just for the sheer volume of times it's been mentioned, I have to nominate DX invading Nitro. For the time though it was actually a pretty good moment , I saw it live and I didn't think so. I kept waiting for something to happen and it never did. Just HHH yelling at no one through a megaphone.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 15, 2015 19:03:12 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels winning the Royal Rumble from the #1 spot in 1995. The WWE always talks about this like it was a major feat of endurance and forgets to mention that since there were only 60 seconds between entrants he only had to go about 40 minutes. Several wrestlers before and since have gone longer.
Now when Chris Benoit won from the #1 spot in 2004 THAT was far more impressive, but the WWE will never bring that up again.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jan 15, 2015 19:20:34 GMT -5
Just for the sheer volume of times it's been mentioned, I have to nominate DX invading Nitro. For the time though it was actually a pretty good moment , I could understand why the WWE has a fond memory of that moment Let's no forget that the WWF was recovering from a big ass kicking from WCW, and this segments was shortly after WM 14 which was a big milestone in the history of the company The DX invasion represents the attitude era, and the attitude of the WWF, from being the second fiddle of WCW to directly combat WCW, and give a middle finger in the air to their rivals This segment didn't won the war, but obviously represented the comeback that the WWF will shortly get
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 15, 2015 19:22:49 GMT -5
The Cena/Rock rivalry, specifically their "once in a lifetime" match. Yeah ok, it got good PPV buys so I understand the importance but I hate them trying to shoehorn it in as on a level with Austin/McMahon, Hart/Michaels, Hogan/Andre and such in the all-time great feuds or as one of the great all-time WM matches. It's a good match but not great.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 19:24:08 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels winning the Royal Rumble from the #1 spot in 1995. The WWE always talks about this like it was a major feat of endurance and forgets to mention that since there were only 60 seconds between entrants he only had to go about 40 minutes. Several wrestlers before and since have gone longer. Now when Chris Benoit won from the #1 spot in 2004 THAT was far more impressive, but the WWE will never bring that up again. WWE blew their load with that one. How much better would it have been if they never let #1 win? Then the drama of being #1 would mean so much more, especially if they let them get really close (like Bob Backlund in 1993) but get eliminated at the end. To quote Gorilla Monsoon, it's "highly unlikely that anyone who draws 1-5 is going to be there at the end". That added a lot of drama to being #1-5, but now it's no biggie because how many others have done it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 19:36:03 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar ending the streak. How is this overrated?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 19:40:04 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar ending the streak. How is this overrated? Yeah, that was awesome and the most legit surprising moment in literally years.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 15, 2015 19:58:26 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar ending the streak. How is this overrated? I just wants to see what people would do. Though, if you cleave through it, a former UFC champ beating the crap out of a guy almost twice his age seems a little less impressive.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jan 15, 2015 20:17:54 GMT -5
Yeah, it was a decent moment when it happened but the WWE treated it like this huge deal that won them the war! but it really didn't do anything... DX in general was overrated. WWE acts as if they were this big time main event act that ruled the Attitude Era with an iron fist when it was really Shawn Michaels + his mid card sidekick and the mid card sidekick's girlfriend. Then once Michaels disappeared "The DX Army" was just a popular mid card act and then got demoted to simply being Triple H's goon squad once he rose up the card. And the funny thing about the DX/Nitro thing is that it contradicts WWE's other narrative in which DX supposedly only consisted of Triple H and Shawn Michaels. I'm going to both disagree and agree with you on this one. I disagree as they were hugely popular and I'd argue third in popularity behind Austin and The Rock. I do agree as I find that WWE definitely exaggerates their importance. In reality I would say that Foley winning the title was much more important than anything DX did. The match and fan reaction combined with WCW mocking what was a very emotional match for many fans was a pretty good snapshot of how and why WWF was overtaking WCW. In the eyes of many fans it was proof that WWF listened to fans while WCW was only interested in showcasing the old guard.
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Post by WWHHHD on Jan 15, 2015 21:27:49 GMT -5
A bunch of jaded marks on here.
Most overrated legendary moment.... YOUR FAVORITE MOMENT.
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