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Post by sternrogers01 on Jan 16, 2016 12:51:48 GMT -5
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Post by Legion on Jan 16, 2016 13:07:02 GMT -5
I wont. Dont give a shit about geek cred, it's the 616.
Brevoort can be such a massive dickhead on that formsprint of his
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jan 16, 2016 13:13:13 GMT -5
I wont. Dont give a shit about geek cred, it's the 616. Brevoort can be such a massive dickhead on that formsprint of his Fraction lampooned Tom's forumspring in his FF book a couple of years ago.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 16, 2016 13:56:26 GMT -5
I don't even care what they call it but since he's so against it 616 forever
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 16, 2016 16:23:43 GMT -5
Oh, I can't wait for all the sudden Janet fans to come out of the shadows on CBR to complain about more forced legacy heroes. They might have somewhat of a point since Marvel did have a tendency to mess with Jan for no reason a bunch of times But at the same time there were a bunch of Ant-men while Pym was still active
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 16, 2016 18:51:53 GMT -5
Ok... So maybe the two teaser images aren't related... if this is actually "All new" ... they going to introduce Hope into the main comics then? she'd have to be from the future or something because there's no way in hell Hank and Jan are old enough to have an adult daughter. Not Hank and Jan, the kid is Jan and Havok's. The two got trapped in another dimension for years (for them, they returned to Earth just a short time after they disappeared) and had a child there to pass the time.
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Post by Legion on Jan 16, 2016 18:58:38 GMT -5
That kid isnt called Hope though, plus the dad is Havok, a mutant, who can't be used in the movies.
Unless you know something we all dont, the idea of this seems to be to bring the character from the movies in to the comics - you dont get that with Katie Summers.
Plus that storyline needs to be abandoned and forsaken. It was awful.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 16, 2016 21:33:49 GMT -5
Oh, I can't wait for all the sudden Janet fans to come out of the shadows on CBR to complain about more forced legacy heroes. They might have somewhat of a point since Marvel did have a tendency to mess with Jan for no reason a bunch of times But at the same time there were a bunch of Ant-men while Pym was still active Marvel either f***s over Jan for no reason or just don't do anything with her for reasons I can't quantify. So I do sympathize with people who might feel she's being pushed aside.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 16, 2016 21:35:09 GMT -5
Friend gave some free comics today one of them was the Death of Superman
Haven't read that since I was a kid. Wonder if still holds up
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Post by Talent Name on Jan 16, 2016 21:54:54 GMT -5
Maybe it will be the A-Next Stinger that is now Wasp
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Post by knightrider01 on Jan 17, 2016 2:44:12 GMT -5
They might have somewhat of a point since Marvel did have a tendency to mess with Jan for no reason a bunch of times But at the same time there were a bunch of Ant-men while Pym was still active Marvel either f***s over Jan for no reason or just don't do anything with her for reasons I can't quantify. So I do sympathize with people who might feel she's being pushed aside. Calling them legacy characters is a bit much. I mean we aren't talking about Kyle Rayner, or Michael Holt here. Those were legacy characters. This is just Marvel replacing another better character with a cheap replacement so they can parade them around as some sort of progressive victory. Then put on the on the View and have them talk about her boobs for 15 minutes. The reason why people may be so upset about all this is because 9/10 times it is done very poorly. Hell I bet I could hit every story point they will do with the next Wasp right now. Let me see. Character will be a woman but not white. Sole defining feature will be that she is a woman and independent. No internal conflict or emotion or any type of drama. Marvel will take the hate said character will receive and turn into, "Men on the internet are misogynists are stupid." Either with the character telling the audience directly. Or if you want to go Jason Aaron levels have another white dumb character tell us how he hates women. Only of the Wasp too knock him out. Oh, and with in the first issue Janet will let the new Wasp know that Jan was horrible and the new person is such a better Wasp than her. Wanna bet.
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Post by weaselboy on Jan 17, 2016 15:57:33 GMT -5
Marvel either f***s over Jan for no reason or just don't do anything with her for reasons I can't quantify. So I do sympathize with people who might feel she's being pushed aside. Calling them legacy characters is a bit much. I mean we aren't talking about Kyle Rayner, or Michael Holt here. Those were legacy characters. This is just Marvel replacing another better character with a cheap replacement so they can parade them around as some sort of progressive victory. Then put on the on the View and have them talk about her boobs for 15 minutes. The reason why people may be so upset about all this is because 9/10 times it is done very poorly. Hell I bet I could hit every story point they will do with the next Wasp right now. Let me see. Character will be a woman but not white. Sole defining feature will be that she is a woman and independent. No internal conflict or emotion or any type of drama. Marvel will take the hate said character will receive and turn into, "Men on the internet are misogynists are stupid." Either with the character telling the audience directly. Or if you want to go Jason Aaron levels have another white dumb character tell us how he hates women. Only of the Wasp too knock him out. Oh, and with in the first issue Janet will let the new Wasp know that Jan was horrible and the new person is such a better Wasp than her. Wanna bet. Poor white men, how will they cope? Do you know of any other comic book characters they could turn to? You know, ones that they look like and can identify with?
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Post by knightrider01 on Jan 17, 2016 16:26:25 GMT -5
Calling them legacy characters is a bit much. I mean we aren't talking about Kyle Rayner, or Michael Holt here. Those were legacy characters. This is just Marvel replacing another better character with a cheap replacement so they can parade them around as some sort of progressive victory. Then put on the on the View and have them talk about her boobs for 15 minutes. The reason why people may be so upset about all this is because 9/10 times it is done very poorly. Hell I bet I could hit every story point they will do with the next Wasp right now. Let me see. Character will be a woman but not white. Sole defining feature will be that she is a woman and independent. No internal conflict or emotion or any type of drama. Marvel will take the hate said character will receive and turn into, "Men on the internet are misogynists are stupid." Either with the character telling the audience directly. Or if you want to go Jason Aaron levels have another white dumb character tell us how he hates women. Only of the Wasp too knock him out. Oh, and with in the first issue Janet will let the new Wasp know that Jan was horrible and the new person is such a better Wasp than her. Wanna bet. Poor white men, how will they cope? Do you know of any other comic book characters they could turn to? You know, ones that they look like and can identify with? Ah yes the best Marvel defense in the world. While they keep churning out crap you can stand there and proudly say, "Hey its progressive." Meanwhile I'm over at the other side reading We Are Robin, Midnighter, Grayson, Justice League 3001, Starfire. But will soon pick up the trade to Prez and Omega Men. I mean why read actually good books written and drawn a diverse group of talented individuals when you can have a bunch of similar looking white guys just yell at me about it being the 21st century and calling me racist. I guess what I am saying is thank you.
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Post by weaselboy on Jan 17, 2016 16:42:17 GMT -5
Poor white men, how will they cope? Do you know of any other comic book characters they could turn to? You know, ones that they look like and can identify with? Ah yes the best Marvel defense in the world. While they keep churning out crap you can stand there and proudly say, "Hey its progressive." Meanwhile I'm over at the other side reading We Are Robin, Midnighter, Grayson, Justice League 3001, Starfire. But will soon pick up the trade to Prez and Omega Men. I mean why read actually good books written and drawn a diverse group of talented individuals when you can have a bunch of similar looking white guys just yell at me about it being the 21st century and calling me racist. I guess what I am saying is thank you. I'm not Marvel or DC! Cut me and I bleed The Viz and The Beano!
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Post by Malibu Albino on Jan 17, 2016 22:22:03 GMT -5
Personally, I'll never care about the decision to make a replacement hero a different gender or race if it's done well. I like the idea of a kid of a different race being able to have a hero who looks like them and that they can relate to.
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Post by knightrider01 on Jan 18, 2016 0:58:15 GMT -5
Personally, I'll never care about the decision to make a replacement hero a different gender or race if it's done well. I like the idea of a kid of a different race being able to have a hero who looks like them and that they can relate to. Oh neither do I my point is that usually Marvel just makes the change and...that's it. Nothing new or exciting just a character who is there and nothing else. I mean yes they got it right with Ms. Marvel. But everything else is just a bunch of writers not even trying and then shouting names at anyone who doesn't like it. I could also make the point that back in the 90's a bunch of different black writers and artists got together and made something completely new and original, in the Milestone Universe, and perhaps it is best to create something than just copy something. I know that ultimately it would fail because comic readers are a fickle bunch who don't like new things. But at least some one should try, like DC, and fail instead of going on the View and talking about breasts for 15 minutes.
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Jan 18, 2016 1:57:18 GMT -5
Ghost Rider, Moon Girl and Who else here?
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Post by Malibu Albino on Jan 18, 2016 2:07:22 GMT -5
Personally, I'll never care about the decision to make a replacement hero a different gender or race if it's done well. I like the idea of a kid of a different race being able to have a hero who looks like them and that they can relate to. Oh neither do I my point is that usually Marvel just makes the change and...that's it. Nothing new or exciting just a character who is there and nothing else. I mean yes they got it right with Ms. Marvel. But everything else is just a bunch of writers not even trying and then shouting names at anyone who doesn't like it. I could also make the point that back in the 90's a bunch of different black writers and artists got together and made something completely new and original, in the Milestone Universe, and perhaps it is best to create something than just copy something. I know that ultimately it would fail because comic readers are a fickle bunch who don't like new things. But at least some one should try, like DC, and fail instead of going on the View and talking about breasts for 15 minutes. Okay, I get what you mean now. Yeah, I'd definitely agree with that although I'd say they got it right with Miles too but yeah if you're going to bother making a new character of a different race at least make it matter and make the character mean something. I wouldn't say DC is completely innocent with it either although they do it a lot less than Marvel. I remember them making Wally West black or some such in Flash and the gay Green Lantern in Earth 2 but I don't follow either of those series so I don't know how that turned out.
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Post by Legion on Jan 18, 2016 2:53:45 GMT -5
Let us not go calling DC the safe haven for difference, after all, the Batwoman marriage crap still happened, and their race swaps for Wally West and sexuality swap for Alan Scott (and thus subsequent erasure of one of comics first gay characters, Obsidian) are just as bad as Marvel's - they just happened a few years ago and weren't to top tier characters.
Both companies are just as bad at headline grabbing
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Jan 18, 2016 3:29:19 GMT -5
Be amazed if Midnighter makes it to issue 15 honestly.
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