Johnny B. Decent
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jan 31, 2015 22:06:03 GMT -5
I think Cornette gets a lot of brownie points for his frequent slaging of Russo, but really, it's like taking candy from a baby when you frequently point out the very worst booker in professional wrestling's flaws, but there's a good reason why he's no longer working anywhere, he literally is trapped in the 80's.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 31, 2015 22:07:33 GMT -5
From his guest booker shoot with KC. It was on how he would rebook the Invasion Angle. For the WCW and WWE Championships Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Mick Foley Undertaker vs. Terry Funk Ric Flair vs. Vince McMahon If Flair wins, he gets Eric Bischoff for 5 minutes. If Vince wins, Flair's gone forever. The Rock vs. Sting WWE and WCW Tag Team Unification Match Road Warriors vs. Dudley Boyz Hulk Hogan w/ Jimmy Hart vs. Dusty Rhodes w/ Jim Cornette Ladder Match Edge and Christian vs. Jerry Lynn and Nova Big Show and Kane vs. Steiner Brothers Dustin Rhodes and Jeff Jarrett vs. Hardy Boyz Battle of the Thrillseekers Chris Jericho vs. Lance Storm 60 Minute Iron Man Match Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle Triple H vs Booker T(US Title vs IC Title) Six Man Tag The Radicalz (Eddy, Saturn, Malenko) vs. Rey Mysterio, Chavo Guererro and Chris Candido with Sunny. Brock Lesnar vs. Bam Bam Bigelow Rhyno vs. Kevin Nash Battle Royal with Steve Blackman Al Snow D'Lo Brown Justin Credible William Regal Bill Demott Balls Mahony DDP RVD Bull Buchanon Kanyon Harris Boys Kevin Nash Vs. Rhyno is a huuuuge WTF match. Also, how long would that card be?!
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 31, 2015 22:08:38 GMT -5
Both Cornette and Russo have the same problem, and it's a problem common in WWE today
Overcomplexity.
Instead of keeping stories simple, they throw too much shit into the mix. It ends up being incomprehensible.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 31, 2015 22:11:23 GMT -5
Both Cornette and Russo have the same problem, and it's a problem common in WWE today Overcomplexity. Instead of keeping stories simple, they throw too much shit into the mix. It ends up being incomprehensible. Cornette's problem is his booking never evolved past 1987. Russo's problem is his booking never evolved past 1997.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 31, 2015 22:14:15 GMT -5
Both Cornette and Russo have the same problem, and it's a problem common in WWE today Overcomplexity. Instead of keeping stories simple, they throw too much shit into the mix. It ends up being incomprehensible. Cornette's problem is his booking never evolved past 1987. Russo's problem is his booking never evolved past 1997. The era isn't as important as how it's executed. 2015 booking is hardly a massive improvement.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 31, 2015 22:17:59 GMT -5
Haven't read it yet, but based on his previous ideas I'm gonna ask what forgotten solid 80's southern wrestling worker is Cornette gonna try to needlessly shoehorn into this in the vain hope that someone remembers them? I'm thinking Butch Reed. Did Butch Reed's name show up at all?
Edit: So I read it, read the thread, and man I really should've seen the time limit draw idea coming.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 31, 2015 22:18:37 GMT -5
Cornette's problem is his booking never evolved past 1987. Russo's problem is his booking never evolved past 1997. The era isn't as important as how it's executed. 2015 booking is hardly a massive improvement. It is because different things work at different times; and if you don't evolve as a booker, then you tend to suck. Cornette is just really out of touch. To harp back on the Invasion angle, he was working in WWE in 96, 97, and yet his dream invasion angle was booking 1988 NWA vs 2000 WWF.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 31, 2015 22:30:13 GMT -5
The era isn't as important as how it's executed. 2015 booking is hardly a massive improvement. It is because different things work at different times; and if you don't evolve as a booker, then you tend to suck. Cornette is just really out of touch. To harp back on the Invasion angle, he was working in WWE in 96, 97, and yet his dream invasion angle was booking 1988 NWA vs 2000 WWF. The fundamentals of storytelling remain the same. The faces and tone of feuds and angles vary, but generally what worked in the 1980's and 1990's still works today if it's booked right.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 31, 2015 22:37:34 GMT -5
From his guest booker shoot with KC. It was on how he would rebook the Invasion Angle. For the WCW and WWE Championships Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Mick Foley Undertaker vs. Terry Funk Ric Flair vs. Vince McMahon If Flair wins, he gets Eric Bischoff for 5 minutes. If Vince wins, Flair's gone forever. The Rock vs. Sting WWE and WCW Tag Team Unification Match Road Warriors vs. Dudley Boyz Hulk Hogan w/ Jimmy Hart vs. Dusty Rhodes w/ Jim Cornette Ladder Match Edge and Christian vs. Jerry Lynn and Nova Big Show and Kane vs. Steiner Brothers Dustin Rhodes and Jeff Jarrett vs. Hardy Boyz Battle of the Thrillseekers Chris Jericho vs. Lance Storm 60 Minute Iron Man Match Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle Triple H vs Booker T(US Title vs IC Title) Six Man Tag The Radicalz (Eddy, Saturn, Malenko) vs. Rey Mysterio, Chavo Guererro and Chris Candido with Sunny. Brock Lesnar vs. Bam Bam Bigelow Rhyno vs. Kevin Nash Battle Royal with Steve Blackman Al Snow D'Lo Brown Justin Credible William Regal Bill Demott Balls Mahony DDP RVD Bull Buchanon Kanyon Harris Boys
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jan 31, 2015 23:09:24 GMT -5
And this is why people think Cornette's a "genius" with a "great mind for the business"?!?!?!! I don't get it.
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Post by bmfjules on Jan 31, 2015 23:13:52 GMT -5
The above makes the actual invasion debacle look like NWA in 89 level good.
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Post by tms on Feb 1, 2015 1:06:29 GMT -5
Prolonged staredowns...we need more staredowns, dammit!
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Post by Zabel Zarock on Feb 1, 2015 1:11:12 GMT -5
I honestly don't see whats so bad about this idea other than the hour long draw thing, nothing about this is to complicated unless people are completely & totally idiots.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 1, 2015 1:22:09 GMT -5
From his guest booker shoot with KC. It was on how he would rebook the Invasion Angle. For the WCW and WWE Championships Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Mick Foley Undertaker vs. Terry Funk Ric Flair vs. Vince McMahon If Flair wins, he gets Eric Bischoff for 5 minutes. If Vince wins, Flair's gone forever. The Rock vs. Sting WWE and WCW Tag Team Unification Match Road Warriors vs. Dudley Boyz Hulk Hogan w/ Jimmy Hart vs. Dusty Rhodes w/ Jim Cornette Ladder Match Edge and Christian vs. Jerry Lynn and Nova Big Show and Kane vs. Steiner Brothers Dustin Rhodes and Jeff Jarrett vs. Hardy Boyz Battle of the Thrillseekers Chris Jericho vs. Lance Storm 60 Minute Iron Man Match Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle Triple H vs Booker T(US Title vs IC Title) Six Man Tag The Radicalz (Eddy, Saturn, Malenko) vs. Rey Mysterio, Chavo Guererro and Chris Candido with Sunny. Brock Lesnar vs. Bam Bam Bigelow Rhyno vs. Kevin Nash Battle Royal with Steve Blackman Al Snow D'Lo Brown Justin Credible William Regal Bill Demott Balls Mahony DDP RVD Bull Buchanon Kanyon Harris Boys I love how in Cornette's mind, the Thrillseekers were so memorable to the worldwide audience that they had to get a showcase match, despite the fact they only teamed in small regional promotions, and the only reason they would get such a slot is because one of those promotions happened to be Cornette's small regional promotion. At least if Vince decided to book Storm vs. Jericho, he would at least give them a backstory that involved stuff that happened on Raw and Smackdown, and then use their history as a backdrop, rather than the main story.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 1, 2015 1:23:28 GMT -5
I'd forgotten he'd put so much stuff in his weird card there. That damn show woulda been eight hours long.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 1:32:57 GMT -5
I honestly don't see whats so bad about this idea other than the hour long draw thing, nothing about this is to complicated unless people are completely & totally idiots. The only real problem people can have with this is that Reigns would get involved with Daniel Bryan. They'd rather he didn't go anywhere near that boy. But the two need to feud at some point anyway and they may as well go the Mega Powers route. But no time limit draw at a B-PPV. That's not gonna work. Crowd is gonna go straight to sleep.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 1, 2015 1:38:14 GMT -5
Actually I think the initial start is pretty weak in and of itself. Bryan offering help out of nowhere to Reigns, Reigns accepting out of nowhere when they really haven't interacted on any level except as opponents. The whole premise about the submission teaching thing when a match with Brock isn't going to have that as a factor anyway. Bryan relegated to being Jose Lothario for a bit, and Reigns only getting the win over Brock because Bryan is there to prevent interference/be a distraction.
It's not complex, it's just a buncha unnecessary fluff that doesn't make either guy look that good.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 1, 2015 1:44:18 GMT -5
Actually I think the initial start is pretty weak in and of itself. Bryan offering help out of nowhere to Reigns, Reigns accepting out of nowhere when they really haven't interacted on any level except as opponents. The whole premise about the submission teaching thing when a match with Brock isn't going to have that as a factor anyway. Bryan relegated to being Jose Lothario for a bit, and Reigns only getting the win over Brock because Bryan is there to prevent interference/be a distraction. It's not complex, it's just a buncha unnecessary fluff that doesn't make either guy look that good. Only real reason I could see Bryan bothering would just be due to Shield bailing him out of a "title match" with Triple H in the Raw after Mania, but even then, they haven't really interacted much since then.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 1, 2015 1:57:47 GMT -5
For f***s sake Corny...lay off the booze.
Just revisit the Attitude Era and yes...Vince Russo...to see how to book Bryan vs Reigns.
Have Rollins cash in the MitB on Reigns. Reigns locks in a submission on Rollins and Haitch calls for the bell. The Screwjob is on and Reigns is the new Corporate golden boy.
Reigns: Rock Rollins: Foley Bryan: Austin
Ambrose would probably been better in the Foley role but what is done is done. Corporate Reigns vs the mega over superstar that corporate despises.
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Post by bmfjules on Feb 1, 2015 3:05:01 GMT -5
Another aspect here is who would be actually producing this idea hypothetically... There is potentially a great angle here. Trouble is if Corny oversaw it he would bewilder fans with outdated southern rasslin schtick that would not mesh well with current day WWE.. If Vince produced it then it would very much wind up as DB as the "little helper" which would ruin it as well.
If I could be in charge, it would be awesome and start a new boom period though, of course.
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