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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 23, 2015 0:48:51 GMT -5
"WWE makes all babyfaces look like chumps and doesn't get behind them enough and let them look strong" Who even says this? This is like the one complaint I've almost never seen. I've seen people say that heels aren't booked properly, feuds aren't allowed to build heat, fans are too fickle, Vince is too fickle, celebrity guest ideas are half-baked, Vince is out of touch, shilling is too common, match-ups are repeated too often, the championships get no spotlight, the midcard gets no spotlight, the wrestlers are worked too hard, weekly shows are too long, and John Cena buries potential competitors to his throne. But this is the first time (in years? Ever?) I've seen someone say WWE faces look too weak. Against who? Cena, Orton, Rey, Sheamus, Bryan, Ryback, The Usos...all examples of faces who tend to whoop ass, and that's just from this era. If anybody worries about how face characters are treated in WWE they're crazy. I think it's kind of linked to the midcard/repeated matchups stuff, particularly when it involves Ziggler or Ambrose.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 0:57:03 GMT -5
Who even says this? This is like the one complaint I've almost never seen. I've seen people say that heels aren't booked properly, feuds aren't allowed to build heat, fans are too fickle, Vince is too fickle, celebrity guest ideas are half-baked, Vince is out of touch, shilling is too common, match-ups are repeated too often, the championships get no spotlight, the midcard gets no spotlight, the wrestlers are worked too hard, weekly shows are too long, and John Cena buries potential competitors to his throne. But this is the first time (in years? Ever?) I've seen someone say WWE faces look too weak. Against who? Cena, Orton, Rey, Sheamus, Bryan, Ryback, The Usos...all examples of faces who tend to whoop ass, and that's just from this era. If anybody worries about how face characters are treated in WWE they're crazy. I think it's kind of linked to the midcard/repeated matchups stuff, particularly when it involves Ziggler or Ambrose. Ziggler I'll give you. He's been around for years and has never maintained a hot streak. Ambrose, I disagree. His record is spotty, but he hasn't been in singles very long and he DOES get wins even if they're not big PPV wins. He's in a weird limbo, but he's maintained an image as a threat.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Feb 23, 2015 1:49:00 GMT -5
Just wait till he breaks CM Punk's record for longest title reign in the "modern" era. They're really going to do it, aren't they. Dammit. They more than likely will, yes. I just wish they would tell us more about Roman's family so they can make it more obvious that his mega-push is due to nepotism.
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Post by Dang! on Feb 23, 2015 1:54:47 GMT -5
If he is really going to have a championship run like CM Punk the hate will explode and rightfully so.
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Feb 23, 2015 2:16:53 GMT -5
It wasn't all Bryan tonight.
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 23, 2015 2:22:24 GMT -5
Truer words have never been spoken.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 3:16:43 GMT -5
Y'all know there is such a thing as "carrying"
Maybe D-Bry is so good that he made Roman only seem good in turn. Just a thought.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 23, 2015 3:44:17 GMT -5
Y'all know there is such a thing as "carrying" Maybe D-Bry is so good that he made Roman only seem good in turn. Just a thought. If he needs to be carried, maybe he shouldn't be in the main event.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 23, 2015 3:49:52 GMT -5
Y'all know there is such a thing as "carrying" Maybe D-Bry is so good that he made Roman only seem good in turn. Just a thought. If he needs to be carried, maybe he shouldn't be in the main event. That's the problem with this entire scenario. Reigns desperately needs to be carried, and Lesnar can't carry people. Look at the Taker match last year. As soon as Undertaker got his bell rung, the match became a complete turd because Lesnar can't lead. Brock has always been that way. His best matches involved guys like Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Undertaker, Edge, Rey Mysterio, etc.
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Post by berlynwright on Feb 23, 2015 4:01:11 GMT -5
If he needs to be carried, maybe he shouldn't be in the main event. That's the problem with this entire scenario. Reigns desperately needs to be carried, and Lesnar can't carry people. Look at the Taker match last year. As soon as Undertaker got his bell rung, the match became a complete turd because Lesnar can't lead. Brock has always been that way. His best matches involved guys like Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Undertaker, Edge, Rey Mysterio, etc. You can't lead a match with a 48yrd old concussed, broken down guy.. no matter how much ring general you are.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 23, 2015 4:04:48 GMT -5
That's the problem with this entire scenario. Reigns desperately needs to be carried, and Lesnar can't carry people. Look at the Taker match last year. As soon as Undertaker got his bell rung, the match became a complete turd because Lesnar can't lead. Brock has always been that way. His best matches involved guys like Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Undertaker, Edge, Rey Mysterio, etc. You can't lead a match with a 48yrd old concussed, broken down guy.. no matter how much ring general you are. Guarantee a guy the caliber of a Triple H or a Daniel Bryan could have gotten a better match out of concussed Undertaker than Brock did.
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Post by Ruthless Pessimism on Feb 23, 2015 4:06:52 GMT -5
Bryan DID carry Reigns a bit tonight...because that was his job.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Feb 23, 2015 4:50:49 GMT -5
Reigns seems to be improving with singles match psychology and pacing, and I stand by the statement I made ages ago that all three Shield guys should get a run with the top title at some point.
It's still way too soon for this rocket-to-the-moon push, though, no matter how they present his character. Tonight Reigns was "good, getting better" while Bryan was, to steal the name of the website, freakin' awesome. If good sense and sanity prevailed, Bryan would get a well-deserved title run for a while, while Reigns rattles around in the system as a dedicated singles guy for another year.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Feb 23, 2015 5:10:13 GMT -5
you lost me at superstar of the year. wait, no. you lost me at guy that has no development so he has to cling to the shield's music. and gear. and entrance. and..... #blameitonthereigns
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Feb 23, 2015 5:17:04 GMT -5
He kicked out of the sacred Knee That Beat John Cena. All Hail Our Bloody-Mouthed Overlord. BLEEDAT. He's the only person to have kicked out of it right? Look how even more strongerer Roman is, just look! SUCH STRONG. That said it sounds like the Fastlane match was pretty good. I've not actually seen it but still. 1 good match with the best worker on the roster doesn't mean he's ready, but at least it was good. I still don't like this with Roman but WWE are set on it. May as well enjoy any good matches that do come from it, though seeing as I'm not buying any PPVs I'm unlikely to see many. Still, I guess it means their strategy of beating fans into submission is gonna work.
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Post by Sparkybob on Feb 23, 2015 6:56:18 GMT -5
You can't lead a match with a 48yrd old concussed, broken down guy.. no matter how much ring general you are. Guarantee a guy the caliber of a Triple H or a Daniel Bryan could have gotten a better match out of concussed Undertaker than Brock did. Not sure how that's an insult to not be as good as Daniel Bryan or HHH.
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Post by 543Y2J on Feb 23, 2015 7:11:27 GMT -5
I loved the match, but damn I despised that Bryan used one KneePlus and Reigns kicked out, then a long long Yes Lock or two, with Reigns not tapping.
It then takes ONE spear and Bryan was finished!
Such Reign. Much Strong. Betta than Ugly Goat LOL. WOW
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Feb 23, 2015 7:16:36 GMT -5
Who even says this? This is like the one complaint I've almost never seen. I've seen people say that heels aren't booked properly, feuds aren't allowed to build heat, fans are too fickle, Vince is too fickle, celebrity guest ideas are half-baked, Vince is out of touch, shilling is too common, match-ups are repeated too often, the championships get no spotlight, the midcard gets no spotlight, the wrestlers are worked too hard, weekly shows are too long, and John Cena buries potential competitors to his throne. But this is the first time (in years? Ever?) I've seen someone say WWE faces look too weak. Against who? Cena, Orton, Rey, Sheamus, Bryan, Ryback, The Usos...all examples of faces who tend to whoop ass, and that's just from this era. If anybody worries about how face characters are treated in WWE they're crazy. I think it's kind of linked to the midcard/repeated matchups stuff, particularly when it involves Ziggler or Ambrose. I think it stems from faces just standing there and taking the shit the Authority gives them during their villain monologues.
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Post by khyledeen on Feb 23, 2015 7:19:59 GMT -5
- He matched the Survivor Series elimination record at the first attempt.
- He broke the record for most eliminations in a Royal Rumble at the first attempt.
- He was the leader of one of the greatest and most popular groups of all-time, The Shield.
- 2014 WWE Superstar of the Year Slammy Award winner.
- Won the 2015 Royal Rumble Match and had his hand raised by the greatest superstar of all time (and close family member) Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson.
- Overcame all the odds to defeat former multiple time world champion and most over guy on the roster Daniel Bryan to PUNCH HIS FIRST CLASS TICKET to WrestleMania 31.
- He will now go 1-on-1 with The Beast Incarnate, conqueror of the Undertaker's streak and a man who decimated the great John Cena to win the WWE World Heavyweight title, Brock Lesnar.
I say we should just induct him into the Hall of Fame now. He may go down as the greatest superstar of all time.
THE BIG DOG
THE JUGGERNAUT
THE POWERHOUSE
ROMAN
REIGNS
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
I can't express how much I love this post
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 23, 2015 7:32:40 GMT -5
Honestly, it's to the point where a lot of this Roman hate is coming off like actively wanting a guy to fail so you can laugh rather than seeing a guy fail and laughing at it. It's fine to not like the guy but to pretend like he's this goof who can't do anything right is ridiculous. Especially if you saw tonight's match and still feel like that. I've been saying this in other threads, but I think people can't get over the Lesnar part of the equation. Like, yes, Roman being able to keep up with Bryan is a good sign; not every star wrestler needs to be able to carry a match on his own, not all of them are ring generals, some of them need a good dance partner. It's fine. But given how built up Lesnar is, a lot of fans are dreading the message it sends if Reigns is the one who can beat the monster who destroyed Cena and ended the streak...and it's especially dispiriting when there are a bunch of other guys on the roster who are more over who could be the ones to do it, instead. So, like, if Orton was still champ, I don't think there'd be this level of annoyance over it, but there's a clear message being sent when the dude kicks out of Bryan's knee (even Cena can't do that) and may now beat the beast.
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