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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 18:49:30 GMT -5
To be fair there was no reason to think the main event would suck going in (outside of whoever booked the thing to have a f***ing count out) because Miz and Cena have a lot of chemistry and have put on some very good matches. Just it was an off night for both of them. Good matches is one thing (though racking my brain I can't recall a Miz/Cena match I thought was particularly good), but Cena/Miz has never screamed WM main event to me. Offhand would recommend their one the Raw after their 2009 PPV match (that match itself's also decent but really short) and the one on Rock's birthday Raw. Just on the latter do yourself a favor and avoid seeing anything else on that show at all.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 18, 2015 18:50:21 GMT -5
To be fair there was no reason to think the main event would suck going in (outside of whoever booked the thing to have a f***ing count out) because Miz and Cena have a lot of chemistry and have put on some very good matches. Just it was an off night for both of them. Good matches is one thing (though racking my brain I can't recall a Miz/Cena match I thought was particularly good), but Cena/Miz has never screamed WM main event to me. They had a fantastic match on Rock Birthday Raw.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Mar 18, 2015 19:34:29 GMT -5
Can't believe how many people are saying LT. He got that event more mainstream exposure than any wrestler on that roster could have. He's also one of the all time greatest football players and a big tough dude that could believably go over anyone. Bigelow I can understand but not LT. I can get the rationale for the LT hate. I expected him to be a VERY popular answer for this thread. My OP about the Miz was a little tongue in cheek though I think he should've never main evented and WWE could have done something better for WM 27. To play devil's advocate for LT though you could argue that his football career (where he unquestionably excelled) contributed to him being deserving of main eventing a WM. I mean this wasn't David Arquette main eventing the PPV. Or someone even more famous, but not known for his athleticism say like a Tom Cruise. By contrast, LT was a world caliber athlete in the highest drawing sport in the US, which also happens to be known for attracting tough guys. I get the rationale too and it only amounts to "he wasn't a wrestler". I agree with you that it was Miz. He was across the board average at the time (lately he's been great) and the ONLY reason he was the top heel is because the people in the back wanted him to be and booked him as such. Remember how awful that end of Raw was where it looked like he wanted to rape Cena? And the Lawler feud? He was pretty much an afterthought to Rock anyway. The countless times he's flubbed promos or botched moves like failing to catch someone combined with his average look, mic and ring work make him my pick for least deserving. People seem to be defending him because they like that Hate Me Now video but that's only because it's a good song.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 19:52:39 GMT -5
the ONLY reason he was the top heel is because the people in the back wanted him to be and booked him as such. Except not. He was getting huge reactions consistently pretty much ever since his first feud with Cena, and during that then especially the immediate aftermath they basically did everything possible to portray him as one step above someone like Heath Slater. Miz got where he was because he earned it.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Mar 18, 2015 20:00:20 GMT -5
the ONLY reason he was the top heel is because the people in the back wanted him to be and booked him as such. Except not. He was getting huge reactions consistently pretty much ever since his first feud with Cena, and during that then especially the immediate aftermath they basically did everything possible to portray him as one step above someone like Heath Slater. Miz got where he was because he earned it. So you're saying the bookers in the back listen to the crowds and book things organically? That they don't do whatever they want regardless of crowd response?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 20:03:46 GMT -5
Except not. He was getting huge reactions consistently pretty much ever since his first feud with Cena, and during that then especially the immediate aftermath they basically did everything possible to portray him as one step above someone like Heath Slater. Miz got where he was because he earned it. So you're saying the bookers in the back listen to the crowds and book things organically? That they don't do whatever they want regardless of crowd response? It's not like they never listen to the crowd at all, even if they certainly have more than their fair share of instances of completely failing to do so. And Miz didn't go from the Cena feud to main-eventing Mania in two months, they built him up and he got more and more over over the course of nearly a two year span, plus he was already a pretty established face on the roster as it was from having been there for a few years and from the team with Morrison and success of the Dirt Sheet.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Mar 18, 2015 20:09:38 GMT -5
So you're saying the bookers in the back listen to the crowds and book things organically? That they don't do whatever they want regardless of crowd response? It's not like they never listen to the crowd at all, even if they certainly have more than their fair share of instances of completely failing to do so. And Miz didn't go from the Cena feud to main-eventing Mania in two months, they built him up and he got more and more over over the course of nearly a two year span, plus he was already a pretty established face on the roster as it was from having been there for a few years and from the team with Morrison and success of the Dirt Sheet. He put the work in sure, but no more than any other midcarder. The guy who headlines Wrestlemania should be the best. Do you guys really think Miz was the second best in the company at that time?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 20:12:41 GMT -5
It's not like they never listen to the crowd at all, even if they certainly have more than their fair share of instances of completely failing to do so. And Miz didn't go from the Cena feud to main-eventing Mania in two months, they built him up and he got more and more over over the course of nearly a two year span, plus he was already a pretty established face on the roster as it was from having been there for a few years and from the team with Morrison and success of the Dirt Sheet. He put the work in sure, but no more than any other midcarder. The guy who headlines Wrestlemania should be the best. Do you guys really think Miz was the second best in the company at that time? As an act I'd say so honestly. It was him or Barrett and Barrett was basically sabotaged and lost all of his momentum following Survivor Series.
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Post by somsta on Mar 18, 2015 20:47:55 GMT -5
Mr T. Who'd he ever beat? Even his Mom doesn't think he was worthy.
Roddy Piper - hadn't done anything of value since 1983.
Thank god for Hogan and Orndorff or the first Mania would have been a tremendous flop.
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Post by Instant Classic on Mar 18, 2015 20:50:24 GMT -5
Reigns.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 22:59:05 GMT -5
As an act I'd say so honestly. It was him or Barrett and Barrett was basically sabotaged and lost all of his momentum following Survivor Series. Punk could've easily taken his place. Even pre-pipebomb he was running circles around Miz both in-ring and in terms of mic work.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 18, 2015 23:24:00 GMT -5
As an act I'd say so honestly. It was him or Barrett and Barrett was basically sabotaged and lost all of his momentum following Survivor Series. Punk could've easily taken his place. Even pre-pipebomb he was running circles around Miz both in-ring and in terms of mic work. Punk was colder than Canada though, and less credible than Miz. He'd spent most of 2010 having the SES routinely demolished single-handedly by Mysterio and Big Show in separate feuds, and had been working matches with Gallows before getting injured and snarking it up on commentary for a couple of months. Putting him in the title picture then would have been like suddenly putting Miz back in the title picture when he came back after shooting Marine 4. Also, as I pointed out in another thread, even if you did put Punk into the Mania main event, he'd still be playing third wheel to Cena and Rock, and you'd consequently get no Summer of Punk afterwards.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Mar 19, 2015 0:12:15 GMT -5
Batista is the 3rd biggest movie star in WWE History after The Rock and The Miz he deserved a WM Main Event. Granted the way they booked it was awful and he should not have won RR. Hulk Hogan says hello Name one Hulk Hogan movie as profitable as Marine 3 or 4 or that was a must see record breaking hit for cable like Christmas Bounty
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 0:13:47 GMT -5
Punk was colder than Canada though, and less credible than Miz. He'd spent most of 2010 having the SES routinely demolished single-handedly by Mysterio and Big Show in separate feuds, and had been working matches with Gallows before getting injured and snarking it up on commentary for a couple of months. Putting him in the title picture then would have been like suddenly putting Miz back in the title picture when he came back after shooting Marine 4. Also, as I pointed out in another thread, even if you did put Punk into the Mania main event, he'd still be playing third wheel to Cena and Rock, and you'd consequently get no Summer of Punk afterwards. Punk could've easily gotten back over to a main event spot if he was given the exposure that Miz had, though. After all, he went from a mildly over midcarder to one of the top heels in the company back in 09 in the span of a month or two, I'm sure he could've easily replicated the feat on Raw. Barrett, too, I think could've worked. The Nexus was dead at that point but Barrett I think still had a ton of main event potential; his momentum and heat didn't really die until his move to SmackDown. I think a lot of my issue with the Miz was that nothing about the dude felt unique or legitimate. A guy with a fauxhawk who comes out to a crappy rap-rock theme that sounds at least five years out of date, wearing one of Edge's old trenchcoats, using Chris Jericho's old finisher, and cutting promos that are little more than local sports team insults and an incredibly lame catchphrase. He seemed like the sort of character someone would create for an E-fed, not the sort of dude who should be main eventing the biggest wrestling show of the year.
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Post by kingbookermark on Mar 19, 2015 2:35:20 GMT -5
1) Lawrence Taylor 2) Possibly Reigns: we haven't seen the match yet so for now I will say: Sid Justice for reasons other have mentioned. 3) Rey Mysterio: He did not deserve to get the thank you Eddie push that should have gone to Chavo. Rey Rey should have won one on his merit alone, not silly backwards booking.
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Post by HonkyTonkMan on Mar 19, 2015 3:00:35 GMT -5
Lawrence Taylor did absolutely nothing to deserve to be put into the main event spot of WrestleMania XI, so it's so very obvious that he's the most least deserving individual to ever main event a WrestleMania.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 19, 2015 13:29:15 GMT -5
Name one Hulk Hogan movie as profitable as Marine 3 or 4 or that was a must see record breaking hit for cable like Christmas Bounty I have no idea how to answer this since I can't tell if you're serious or not. Thinking about it, Roman Reigns is the answer isn't he? The difference with Roman is there are plenty of other guys who should be there ahead of him, which is what makes him undeserving.
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Post by gr1990 on Mar 19, 2015 13:31:05 GMT -5
Sgt. Slaughter. He wasn't even actually Iraqi.
Oh, sorry, I thought it said 'least deserving Persian'
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 13:53:32 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan... at least at Wrestlemania IX. Bret most certainly didn't deserve to get one-upped and overshadowed like that. But Bret told him to go in the ring, so it's ok.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Mar 19, 2015 14:19:47 GMT -5
Im a big fan of the guy, and I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to have main evented multiple Wrestlemanias...
But how on earth has Triple H only got one fewer Wrestlemania main event than Hulk Hogan? That really is staggering.
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