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Post by -Lithium- on Apr 9, 2015 0:53:46 GMT -5
No, you don't.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Apr 9, 2015 1:03:37 GMT -5
And this is the contradictory nature of Kurt Angle at work.
Back when Kurt left WWE, he was whining to the media about how Vince pressured him to keep working. Which wouldn't surprise me, but it's still a two way street and Angle obviously WANTED to keep working. Yet he made Vince look like the devil.
Now here we are in 2015, Kurt should legitimately STOP wrestling and now he's bitching to the media that WWE doesn't want him to wrestle for them.
Kurt Angle: ALWAYS in the right since 1968.
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Post by froggyfrog on Apr 9, 2015 1:51:01 GMT -5
Bring him in for a match against d bry. All he needs is the one
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 2:37:37 GMT -5
I think the constant "dying in the ring" comments are over the top. Yeah, the guy's beat up and slow and def needs to retire, but everything doesn't have to be so extreme and morbid. Exactly. It boggles my mind that they don't want him to get hurt in the ring with his past...but yet they just let Scott Hall take a back body drop at Mania. You know who I'm more worried about? From a business perspective though Angle's a lot more of a risk, particularly given he wants to actually have a spot on the roster. Hall gets injured in a spot, it sucks but WWE isn't going to see much fallout from a reasonably well known but not hugely famous retired wrestler getting seriously hurt taking a minor, routine move. An Olympic gold medalist who they let go a decade a go for being a mess, by all signs still is, has run up a laundry list of injuries over the years, has a history of substance issues, and is staying active when he really has no reason to be ending up crippled or killed on WWE's watch though would cause a massive shitstorm.
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Post by TGM on Apr 9, 2015 3:49:38 GMT -5
A Hall of Fame Induction and one last match in a WWE ring is what I want from Kurt Angle. Him being alive and not spending the remainder of his life in a wheelchair as a cripple is all I want. Seriously, hang it up dude. You've done enough. You're reaching Flair levels of sadness. Surely one last match against somebody like Bryan who can wrestle relatively safe is much better than Angle continuing on and on in TNA until he seriously injures himself.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 4:25:24 GMT -5
Him being alive and not spending the remainder of his life in a wheelchair as a cripple is all I want. Seriously, hang it up dude. You've done enough. You're reaching Flair levels of sadness. Surely one last match against somebody like Bryan who can wrestle relatively safe is much better than Angle continuing on and on in TNA until he seriously injures himself. True, but no more matches is still optimum. Sooner he stops for real sooner he can hopefully start healing up and you never know, sometimes the, "Cop killed two days before retirement," cliche happens in real life too.
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Post by joediego on Apr 9, 2015 7:17:47 GMT -5
I find most of your responses to be using 'received wisdom' and having an insight into the condition of Kurt Ang;e's body that even hos iwn doctor might not have.
Pop quiz - How many matches has Kurt Angle had in the last two years?
20.
In the last 730 days he's worked 20 nights. You are seriously acting like he's working night in, night out. He's a 46 year old vastly experienced athlete that is working a very light schedule.
Do you know who was working 200 nights at the age of 58 and was far more broken down than Angle is or ever will be? Ric Flair, Triple H's buddy.
There is no way that Angle would ever countenance going back to 150-200 matches a year. He can't do it and wouldn't do it.
But a run like RVD, Y2J etc? He could do that without a problem, and like RVD he would be a great boost to the product, teaching and getting great matches out of Bryan, Cesaro, Rhodes etc.
And to the guy that said Angle wasn't a great wrestler after Wrestlemania 19....wow. It's an indictment of this forum that nobody contradicted that statement. I wonder what Taker, Joe, Eddie, HBK, AJ and the other 20 wrestlers that Angle had ****+ matches with after WM19 would have to say about garbage like that.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Apr 9, 2015 7:23:29 GMT -5
I love Kurt Angle. Nearly the entire time he was in WWE, he was pure gold.
But, Jesus, it's almost like he *wants* to die in the ring. Like, he doesn't know anything other than the physical drive to be the very best. He knows that his body can't take it anymore, but he just keeps pushing and pushing.
You know when Flair all-but begged HBK to put him down? It seems like Kurt wants *that* only in a much more final sense.
And that's just incredibly, profoundly, unthinkably sad.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 9, 2015 7:28:04 GMT -5
I think the constant "dying in the ring" comments are over the top. Yeah, the guy's beat up and slow and def needs to retire, but everything doesn't have to be so extreme and morbid. I think it comes from the "Death Watch" rumors from not too long before WWE finally told him "No more, hang it up."
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Post by joediego on Apr 9, 2015 7:29:56 GMT -5
I find that the majority of this thread are using received wisdom and seem to have an insight into Angle's medical condition that even his Doctor wouldn't have.
Pop quiz:
How many matches has Kurt Angle worked in the last 2 years?
Answer:
20.
That's right, over the last 730 days Angle has wrestled 20 matches. I guess it's an outstanding testament to his believability and impact that you guys believe on a schedule that light he will 'die in the ring'. RVD is only 2 years younger than Angle, has worked a very demanding style for 20 years, and has wrestled 147 matches in 2 years.
Angle: 20 RVD: 147
Angle's a 46 year old vastly experienced athlete that knows his own body and what it's capable of. Would he come in and work 150 nights a year? Of course not. Could he be an asset working a few months here and there, 10-20 matches per year? Of course he could.
In today's rather pedestrian WWE where we're constantly disappointed by the lack of variation in creative, are we seriously suggesting that we wouldn't like to see Angle vs Bryan, vs Cesaro, vs Rollins, vs Rhodes??? He has years of experience and those guys would LOVE to work with him.
It's an indictment of this forum that somebody posted that Angle wasn't a great wrestler after WM19 and was allowed to go unchecked. Stop the groupthink. What would Taker, AJ, Eddie, HBK, Styles and the 20 other wrestlers that had ****+ matches with Angle after March 2003 say about that? Is this really the standard this forum is reaching for?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 9, 2015 7:32:04 GMT -5
I love Kurt Angle. Nearly the entire time he was in WWE, he was pure gold. But, Jesus, it's almost like he *wants* to die in the ring. Like, he doesn't know anything other than the physical drive to be the very best. He knows that his body can't take it anymore, but he just keeps pushing and pushing. You know when Flair all-but begged HBK to put him down? It seems like Kurt wants *that* only in a much more final sense. And that's just incredibly, profoundly, unthinkably sad. I kind of get this vibe from him too. People say "Oh, well one more match with a safe worker won't be too bad," but what about when Kurt starts trying to call stupid spots and go into business for himself, Juventud-style? Kurt knowing it's his last match, he's going to go all out. Even if it's just Heath Slater, Kurt's going to want to go through a table or twelve.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 8:19:42 GMT -5
I think the constant "dying in the ring" comments are over the top. Yeah, the guy's beat up and slow and def needs to retire, but everything doesn't have to be so extreme and morbid. I think it comes from the "Death Watch" rumors from not too long before WWE finally told him "No more, hang it up." That was during a lapsed fan phase for me, so I don't remember those specific rumors. I thought it was just based on him looking bad in the ring, which he does.
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Post by amazingoopah on Apr 9, 2015 8:36:17 GMT -5
Yes, they have way too much young talent to push, like Kane and the Big Show.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 9, 2015 8:41:05 GMT -5
So what Kurt is essentially saying is that he got friend zoned by WWE. He basically got a "it's not you, it's me" from them
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Apr 9, 2015 8:50:24 GMT -5
OK, I get it. WWE doesn't think Kurt is physically up to any kind of wrestling schedule. But what kind of galls me is the cold shoulder and the BS response from WWE. Yeah, he has had issues, but, at one time, Kurt Angle was very much an asset to WWE and a fondly remembered, by the fans, asset. Why wouldn't they just go "Look, Kurt. We're concerned about your ability to withstand the wear and tear of working in the ring. It wouldn't do us , and most importantly, it wouldn't do you any good to have you as a roster member." Use that as an ice breaker to maybe bring him in for a different role (mYbe a trainer in NXT or an agent/producer) and the HOF (becuSe I think opinion is unanimous about Kurt being HOF worthy).
Kurt's account maybe be biased, but still, It does seem a bit callous, especially to someone who did bust his ass for WWE back in the day.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 9, 2015 10:27:50 GMT -5
As someone who watched plenty of Angle in TNA matches, his overall ring skills are nearly gone. This isn't the same Kurt from WWE. Hell, it's not the same from 3 years ago. This is a Kurt Angle with serious injuries that hindered his mobility and agility. A Kurt Angle who moveset and ring generalship are parodies of his glory days. Someone who has to be carried when he used to be the one heavy lifting. Kurt's body is in the worst condition of his career yet he's not slowing down to a safer style. Still 2 dozen German suplexes, missed moonsault, Angle Slams, and more near falls than the entire G1 Climax tourney. In one match.
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Post by Andy Martin on Apr 9, 2015 10:41:00 GMT -5
They sure as hell don't need 'talent' like Kurt Angle, though.
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Post by mizerable on Apr 9, 2015 10:59:10 GMT -5
Kurt is my favorite of all time, but I haven't followed him much in TNA, but I'm f***ing amazed that he's their champion again. I mean....really? Wow. Pathetic.
I think the morbid comments about him dying in the ring are a little too much. I've been hearing them for almost 10 years and he's still with us. Yes, he shouldn't be taking on a full WWE schedule anymore, but let's not act like Kurt is one bump away from death. He's not in pristine shape, but he isn't a bag of broken glass either from what I've seen.
I do believe the ship has sailed though. Kurt doesn't have much to offer that others can't provide. I would like to see him inducted into the WWE HOF before he dies though. That seems like less of a likelihood than him dying in the ring at this point.
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Post by joediego on Apr 9, 2015 11:28:13 GMT -5
Kurt doesn't have much to offer that others can't provide. Name one non-WWE wrestler that can combine how over he would be with the crowd with his wrestling ability. I can't think of one (save Punk).
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Apr 9, 2015 11:29:58 GMT -5
Kurt doesn't have much to offer that others can't provide. Name one non-WWE wrestler that can combine how over he would be with the crowd with his wrestling ability. I can't think of one (save Punk). His wrestling ability isn't anywhere near what it used to be, and he seemingly forgot anything he knew about ring psychology a long time ago.
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