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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 5, 2015 14:58:29 GMT -5
Also, anyone else getting an Agammemnon/Iphigenia vibe from Stannis and Shireen? Mel will need to sacrifice her to stop a blizzard or something. That is the only conceivable reason Melisandre wanted her along...to have some kings blood to burn.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on May 5, 2015 15:01:05 GMT -5
Forgive me for the obvious Duh here, but is Doran's black bodyguard supposed to be Areo Hotah?
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 5, 2015 15:17:46 GMT -5
Forgive me for the obvious Duh here, but is Doran's black bodyguard supposed to be Areo Hotah? Yes, though he looks like this in the books Strangely I always pictured him as black anyway, despite the book trying to tell me otherwise.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 5, 2015 15:50:03 GMT -5
Forgive me for the obvious Duh here, but is Doran's black bodyguard supposed to be Areo Hotah? Yes, though he looks like this in the books Strangely I always pictured him as black anyway, despite the book trying to tell me otherwise. Oddly me too.
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Post by Zombie Mod on May 5, 2015 16:02:06 GMT -5
So, in the show Rickon went to Last Hearth which is home of the Umbers. It's one of the closets castles to the wall...my guess is they'll just ignore this though. ri-ckon? I remember no such character was he there for like a split second? {Spoiler}its funnier to not remember the missing stark
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on May 5, 2015 19:24:40 GMT -5
So, in the show Rickon went to Last Hearth which is home of the Umbers. It's one of the closets castles to the wall...my guess is they'll just ignore this though. ri-ckon? I remember no such character was he there for like a split second? its funnier to not remember the missing stark And you won't recognize him if he does so show again because he'll be recast as a 17 year old. The show is deviating quite a bit from the book, but some characters will potentially end up in very similar situations as the A Feast for Crows, A Dance of Dragons and the preview chapters of The Winds of Winter. {Spoiler}I speak specifically the story of the North. I see Jon learning of Sansa's marriage and breaking the oath by interfering with the politics of the South.
Sansa and Theon make their escape and being captured by Stannis. According to Martin, that preview chapter was before the Battle of Winterfell so we don't know if Stannis won yet. Season 6 will be very different and maybe even a little unrecognizable from the source material. Unless Martin released TWOW this year, I'm done hoping for that, and even then it doesn't matter because A Dream of Spring is the last book.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on May 6, 2015 2:16:43 GMT -5
I think Mellisandre seducing Jon Snow is her purposefully trying to piss Stannis off at him enough to order Snow burned at the stake. If that happens, she and fans of the show and a certain theory will have their answers.
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Post by clifford on May 6, 2015 7:08:50 GMT -5
I've been waiting since 2011 for the Battle of Winterfell, really hoping we get to see it this season.
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Post by ICBM on May 6, 2015 13:31:35 GMT -5
I've been waiting since 2011 for the Battle of Winterfell, really hoping we get to see it this season. There was no such battle ser.
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Post by Bobeddy on May 6, 2015 13:43:41 GMT -5
These people have wanted revenge for many years, their father tries and is killed...are they supposed to just give up now? Yes, he lost a duel, where he tried to kill another guy. They can keep the blood feud going over Elia, but they have no moral right to do anything in regards to Oberyn, which is their entire motivation. And that's stupid. Because if something's sanctioned by authority that means the family has to be cool with it? By that logic, Robb Stark had no right to do anything when the King of Westeros chopped off his traitor father's head for treason. Because that's what happened. Remove all the background knowledge we as viewers have and the only thing there is to say Joffrey/Tommen aren't Robert's heirs is a rumour. "My father was killed. I want to hurt the people responsible." To say the Sand Snakes motivation is stupid is to say the motivation for two seasons worth of storyline was stupid.
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Post by Cela on May 6, 2015 13:53:27 GMT -5
Yes, he lost a duel, where he tried to kill another guy. They can keep the blood feud going over Elia, but they have no moral right to do anything in regards to Oberyn, which is their entire motivation. And that's stupid. Because if something's sanctioned by authority that means the family has to be cool with it? By that logic, Robb Stark had no right to do anything when the King of Westeros chopped off his traitor father's head for treason. Because that's what happened. Remove all the background knowledge we as viewers have and the only thing there is to say Joffrey/Tommen aren't Robert's heirs is a rumour. "My father was killed. I want to hurt the people responsible." To say the Sand Snakes motivation is stupid is to say the motivation for two seasons worth of storyline was stupid. Completely different situation. Ned didn't agree to enter into a sword vs. neck swinging contest. Compare the duel between Bronn and Vardis from season one. The people in the Eyrie, and likely Vardis's family were angry. But, they let Bronn and Tyrion leave and there haven't been any random blood feuders tracking them down, because they agreed that was how the law went, and the participants went in willingly knowing the risks. They agree to these laws for a reason, otherwise every trial by combat would be an endless cycles of vendettas.
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Post by Crimson on May 6, 2015 14:06:52 GMT -5
Because if something's sanctioned by authority that means the family has to be cool with it? By that logic, Robb Stark had no right to do anything when the King of Westeros chopped off his traitor father's head for treason. Because that's what happened. Remove all the background knowledge we as viewers have and the only thing there is to say Joffrey/Tommen aren't Robert's heirs is a rumour. "My father was killed. I want to hurt the people responsible." To say the Sand Snakes motivation is stupid is to say the motivation for two seasons worth of storyline was stupid. Completely different situation. Ned didn't agree to enter into a sword vs. neck swinging contest. Compare the duel between Bronn and Vardis from season one. The people in the Eyrie, and likely Vardis's family were angry. But, they let Bronn and Tyrion leave and there haven't been any random blood feuders tracking them down, because they agreed that was how the law went, and the participants went in willingly knowing the risks. They agree to these laws for a reason, otherwise every trial by combat would be an endless cycles of vendettas. That and, had Joffrey actually exiled Ned like originally planned, Robb wouldn't have had a cause to rally his troops behind.
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Post by Bobeddy on May 6, 2015 14:20:14 GMT -5
Because if something's sanctioned by authority that means the family has to be cool with it? By that logic, Robb Stark had no right to do anything when the King of Westeros chopped off his traitor father's head for treason. Because that's what happened. Remove all the background knowledge we as viewers have and the only thing there is to say Joffrey/Tommen aren't Robert's heirs is a rumour. "My father was killed. I want to hurt the people responsible." To say the Sand Snakes motivation is stupid is to say the motivation for two seasons worth of storyline was stupid. Completely different situation. Ned didn't agree to enter into a sword vs. neck swinging contest. Compare the duel between Bronn and Vardis from season one. The people in the Eyrie, and likely Vardis's family were angry. But, they let Bronn and Tyrion leave and there haven't been any random blood feuders tracking them down, because they agreed that was how the law went, and the participants went in willingly knowing the risks. They agree to these laws for a reason, otherwise every trial by combat would be an endless cycles of vendettas. No, Ned didn't agree. Because he was executed for treason. He didn't produce a scrap of evidence to support his position so, morally, Robb's march was completely unjustified. His action was based on emotion and passion as are the Sand Snakes. Moreover it's been established that the Dornish are a volatile people. And on the point of them agreeing to laws, the Dornish see themselves as almost separate to the rest of the Seven Kingdoms. This is evidenced by their unique positions when it comes to inheritance, bastards, relationships, their stance on poison. Their allegiance to Westeros is a lip-service that gets fainter as the days of dragons slip further into the past. Which lends itself to the idea that they wouldn't just accept Oberyn's death without action just because he died in a trial by combat. These are the children of the volatile, dangerous, revenge-driven Prince of Dorne. They're father was killed, remove all outside factors, they're father was killed. Given how they were raised and who raised them, of course they'd be out for vengeance.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 14:44:39 GMT -5
Still doesnt make the revenge plot justified. If they want a justified revenge plot they should say that since the Mountain confessed that he murdered and raped their aunt and killed her children that should be their cause. Then once you get the people on your side you can still get your revenge for your father while not looking like a bunch of petty assholes.
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Post by Cela on May 6, 2015 18:07:19 GMT -5
Still doesnt make the revenge plot justified. If they want a justified revenge plot they should say that since the Mountain confessed that he murdered and raped their aunt and killed her children that should be their cause. Then once you get the people on your side you can still get your revenge for your father while not looking like a bunch of petty assholes. Exactly, this would work, evidence for vengeance for Elia and her children. They could keep the Oberyn revenge in their hearts, but Elaria pushing it as the main force for revenge is not a justifiable position. It is aggravating when they have a perfectly acceptable position RIGHT! THERE!
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Post by The Last Hero on May 6, 2015 22:58:45 GMT -5
All this talk about them needing "justification" is a bunch of horse poopy. What do they have to fill out some form with a certain type of "revenge criteria" Please check this box if your family member was murdered by this individual, however if their death happened to be during trial by combat please skip this section and refer to section 104b.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 7, 2015 0:56:53 GMT -5
They're making the same mistake people always do, rushing headlong into bloody vengeance, Robb Stark did the exact same thing on a bigger scale.
They think Doran doesn't have a plan? He's pretty much telling them, "he was my brother too", "it hurts me just as much". He's not jumping in with a spear but he's doing things.
On a side note to this storyline, I haven't seen anyone bring up the mirroring with Jamie/Brienne. In season 3 Jamie was the one saying to kill the guy who knows information, the random farmer they met. Now he's saying the guy will be ok, and Bronn's the one who correctly says they'll turn them in and within 5 minutes that's exactly what happens, they just happen to win that fight.
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Post by Bobeddy on May 7, 2015 9:19:02 GMT -5
On a side note to this storyline, I haven't seen anyone bring up the mirroring with Jamie/Brienne. In season 3 Jamie was the one saying to kill the guy who knows information, the random farmer they met. Now he's saying the guy will be ok, and Bronn's the one who correctly says they'll turn them in and within 5 minutes that's exactly what happens, they just happen to win that fight. I had completely missed that. Good catch.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 8, 2015 7:07:29 GMT -5
I know she can't act for shit, but damn
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 8, 2015 8:31:46 GMT -5
She's cute, but I don't even find her that attractive, she's not even the best looking woman in her own storyline.
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